Alan, nice review.The new K1600 B and GA have a more traditional seating area for the passenger. Similar to Harley touring models. The passengers sit much higher on the GTL and GT models.
Not sure if you're 2-up rider or not, but others in the past have purchased other BMW touring bikes and their BSR was not happy with the air turbulence in the back. The ride was okay, but not the back seat.
Just thought I'd throw that out there. Maybe the B has made improvements on that so it's no longer an issue.
Like Scott said, even though you may not find something user friendly on the first ride, it may grow on you and become second nature later.
As others have said, hope if needed, you can make a good choice that makes you happy.
Scott, the new models, the 1600B and the Grand America (same bike, the Grand America has a tour pack that is not removable and tail lights are a bit different) both come with floorboards and actually, at a very comfortable angle (more so than Harley) even for a tall rider. However, they do not come with forward controls.....yet.The B and GA factory floorboards are really highway boards. The aftermarket riderboards are more like Harleys.
Give the aftermarket people a few months.....forward controls will be available. I guess this and the two up passenger position is the areas where BMW is lacking in their design and need to catch up to Harley.
Alan is a solo rider so he doesn't need to be concerned with that.
OK Alan, you can tell your wife it's my fault.....just blame it on me. :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:The demo they had was not the GA but that would definitely be what I would get though unfortunately BMW has limited the GA to 100MPH due to the trunk (they call it a top case) in the wind tunnel tests. I rode up to Julian then down to the border and did hit it hard in the twisties and it performed incredible.
I know how you ride but you didn't talk about any feeling regarding acceleration or in the twistys. Where did you ride to put that 100 miles on? Did you go down by Tecate or up to Hell's Kitchen? I figure 100 miles round trip had to be one of those two places.
You're looking at the model that doesn't have a tour pack. I think I'm going to look at that Grand America model again. It's surprising how advanced those bikes are but so much cheaper than a CVO.
Thanks a bunch for your review buddy! :2vrolijk_21:
Though the best dirt bike I ever had was the Honda Elsinore back in the day I just have no interest in getting a Honda now. I do understand quality wise its probably the best of the bunch but just can't get my head around riding one.
Why not try a ride on the new Gold Wing while you're trying to decide?
Though the best dirt bike I ever had was the Honda Elsinore back in the day I just have no interest in getting a Honda now. I do understand quality wise its probably the best of the bunch but just can't get my head around riding one.
Though going from a Harley to a BMW is definitely a leap, going to a Honda is a jump off a cliff..
SDCVO, I did find it unusual you seem to prefer HD type styling, riding position, Infotainment, etc., but didn't like the Indian. Especially since the Indian is more akin to the HD - riding position, styling, Ride Command, etc.No doubt reliability on the new M8 has proven to me at least to be horrible. Reason I don't care for the Indian is 2 fold, I want a fairing when I ride and I just personally don't care for the look of the Indian fairing but thats why God makes chocolate and vanilla. 2nd is my riding style is higher in the revs which is why I thought the stage 4 would be perfect, when I rode the Indian I felt like it fell off hard up in the revs. No doubt the BMW just never falls off and the rev limiter is through the roof!
I've determined there is no perfect motorcycle - there's always something you'd like to change. I got rid of my CVO SG due to engine issues and bought an IM Roadmaster. If the K1600B had been out in '16 I would have strongly consider one. But the Roadmaster is a great riding bike - best I've owned. Are there things I'd change on the RM? Sure. But all things considered, I now have "confidence of reliability," and don't worry about being stranded on a trip due to an engine failure.
Good luck.
With my long legs, I was not able to get past my hips locking up when I test rode the 1600 GT a few years ago. The 1600 B and the Grand America are the first BMWs that I've been able to sit on without my hips locking up so that's the difference for me.
We know that a few CVO owners have already crossed over and I believe that with these two new models out.....more will follow suit. Purely for the reliability of the BMW if for no other reason. Just need a rider's backrest for those of us that have back issues.
The first video was a bit of a challenge to follow due to his accent and the second video was entertaining to watch but they're both saying the same thing......no other bagger comes close to these two in every regard. I look forward to following your progress on what ever model you end up with Steve and if it's not on this forum please keep us posted where you'll be posting?
Hi JC!Boy Steve,I hope you can figure out the riding position issue with this bike as no one has and for many people (like me) its whats stopping the purchase!
No matter what model I start with, foot position is going to have to get modified. I will have less issues cutting up a used 1600 than a new one. The GT having no speed limiter will be better for dyno testing as I will be able to make full pulls in 6th gear. I'm excited to get started. I have one in Vegas and one in Phoenix I'm negotiating on. I will keep you posted.
Steve@fullsac.com
Boy Steve,I hope you can figure out the riding position issue with this bike as no one has and for many people (like me) its whats stopping the purchase!
Mike has already made a seat for it that has backrests for the BSaw that, anyone comes up with forward controls I may be in especially after today! I did watch that video Steve posted and did see that you really don't need to use rear brake lever so kinda half way there.You would think someone would come up with forward controls especially after going on the BMW forum and seeing so many people complaining about it!
http://www.corbin.com/bmw/bmwk16bdte.shtml
Here is an interesting comparison between the HD Roadglide and the BMW 1600B.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_p6s_KiBvk
Saw that, anyone comes up with forward controls I may be in especially after today! I did watch that video Steve posted and did see that you really don't need to use rear brake lever so kinda half way there.You would think someone would come up with forward controls especially after going on the BMW forum and seeing so many people complaining about it!
My problem is now my knees just cant take the peg position for a long ride which is mostly what I do as you know.
As you always say, "getting old aint for sissies"!
I have a 2014 BMW K1600GT. Here are my solutions to some of the stated issues.
1. Driver Pegs - https://www.suburban-machinery.com/K1600GTL.html (https://www.suburban-machinery.com/K1600GTL.html)
Lowered by 1.5" - my knees really appreciate the new position. It puts you a bit closer to the ground but I am not that aggressive in the turns. My biggest issue is that not very often the front of my foot hits the payment. Not sure if these would for on the "B" model.
2. Seat/Backrest - stock seat is definitely not a long distance performer. After 250 miles my ass hurt something terrible. I opted for a Russel Day Long
3. Handlebars - the GT is a low and aggressive handlebar. I opted for the highly adjustable Helibars. https://www.helibars.com/products/HeliBars%C2%AE-Horizon%E2%84%A2-ST-multi%252daxis-adjustable-handlebars-for-BMW-K1600GTL-%7B47%7D-K1600GT/591.html (https://www.helibars.com/products/HeliBars%C2%AE-Horizon%E2%84%A2-ST-multi%252daxis-adjustable-handlebars-for-BMW-K1600GTL-%7B47%7D-K1600GT/591.html)
4. Riding position - frankly after the new seat, pegs and handlebars - I prefer the riding position on the BMW over the HD lounger position. All my weight is centered over the top of the bike and makes for enhanced rider control.
5. Height - yes, this bike works better for those who are not "inseam challenged". You can get the seats lowered but it's still tip-toe land for some riders. Here's a guy with a solution.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YId9Pr_RlIo
6. Sound - I am fine with the sewing machine sound. I got to the point that even my 2.0" Fullsac baffles were too loud for me (sorry Steve, I'll try 1.75" the next time).
7. Stereo - yea, it sucks at high speed. I went to the SENA Bluetooth helmet speakers and love those. It's not high fidelity but works for me.
Thanks for your input Simon! Your motivating me!
Steve@fullsac.com
Get a used K1600GT or even the GTL, if you like the top case. The power, torque, and handling just make for an awesome ride. If you look around you can find a low mileage 2013-2015 at some pretty decent prices. I spent $15k on my 2014 about 18 months and it only had 5k miles. Now it has 33k miles.
Simon
That's awesome you are able to ride so much. I have my eye on this GT with 22K on it.
https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/mcy/6575443765.html
Steve@fullsac.com
Oh my gawd that's an ugly exhaust can :huepfenlol2: !
Like the rest of those bikes a lot. But that muffler.... :puke: .
The strongest metal is no match for the weakest mind. I know a guy with a BFH who can fix those mufflers and a few other misplaced parts. Poor bike looks like it got rear ended by a truck.
Steve@fullsac.com
That's awesome you are able to ride so much. I have my eye on this GT with 22K on it.Steve, you get the bike?
https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/mcy/6575443765.html
Steve@fullsac.com
Steve, you get the bike?
Steve, if it's anywhere near me here in Rapid City, SD.......I'm not doing anything......I could bring it to you right quick. As a matter of fact, doesn't much matter where it's at. Just wanna help a brother out! :P
It's in Marshfield, Missouri. About 900 miles from you.
Steve
It's an hour from me. Want someone to at least lay eyes on?
.... I'm not buying a fluorescent Cal Trans jacket or a Power Ranger suit...:huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
Steve@fullsac.com
I'm seriously eyeing one of these...post some feedback when you get it.
I'm seriously eyeing one of these...post some feedback when you get it.
I plan on it! Hopefully I can post in this "other Topic" section about the Beemer with out ruffling any feathers. I think we will have more interest in the CVO forum about the "B" model BMW than in the actual 1600 BMW forum. I have spent some time over there checking things out and the crowd seemed somewhat divided on the new B model. I think more than a few of the purist disapprove of BMW catering to the "Bagger crowd". One GTL owner even commented,"if I ride the B model, do I have to dress up like a Pirate?" I was LMAO, but I think he was making a serious point that he was not a fan of the new marketing direction BMW is taking and the potential crowd it may draw. Relax Skippy, I'm sure none of the new B owners will show up at one of your social functions for tea and crumpets. lol..
Steve@fullsac.com
This is probably how the old crusty knuckle and panhead guys felt in the late 80s/early 90s when the lawyers and dentists started buying Harleys.
Alan when is the 2019 supposed to come out?they think it will be Sept. You sent me that pic of the Corbin which looks awesome but I had a Corbin on my softail and I always struggled with comfort. I saw that Simon posted that he did a Russell Daylong seat on his K1600GT and I have always heard they are crazy comfortable but I am not sure about their looks. My softail was a 96 so I assume the Corbins have improved drastically?
Corbin makes a seat with a backrest for the Bagger. The seat is not the same for the B and the GA, even though it's the same drive train.
they think it will be Sept. You sent me that pic of the Corbin which looks awesome but I had a Corbin on my softail and I always struggled with comfort. I saw that Simon posted that he did a Russell Daylong seat on his K1600GT and I have always heard they are crazy comfortable but I am not sure about their looks. My softail was a 96 so I assume the Corbins have improved drastically?
I did not know they had different seats, do you know the difference?
I do. They're making one that's not out yet but it's for taller guys and it will move you up and back just a bit to make the pegs a more comfortable fit. http://www.corbin.com/bmw/bmwk16bhdte.shtmlThats great, thanks!
And then when you get that seat you're going to need the bars back and up just a bit to be more comfortable.....
https://www.helibars.com/products/HeliBars%C2%AE-Tour-Performance%E2%84%A2-handlebar-risers-for-BMW-K1600B-Bagger/648.html
Well after saying i really wasn't interested in the bike when JC first put it in my ear (he is such a bad influence..) to going out and testing it when I started this thread, I just gave my deposit today to order the dealers first 19 they get. Since they are obviously made in Germany the lag time between dealer ordering and delivery is a few months so they should be ordering fairly soon. I am hoping they will put the TFT screen they currently have on their GS model on the bagger (screen is awesome).
I went yesterday and rode it again for about an hour and though I am still a bit worried about the peg position, the performance of the bike is just really fun and insane!
I am counting on you Steve to come up with some mods for this bike so I am thrilled to hear you bought one and will be "doing your thing" here soon!
I do intend to put on the Remus exhaust system and either find a way to modify the stock seat for a drivers backrest or get a aftermarket. I will say I am totally excited about the bike now that I gave the dealer my 5K deposit and am committed!
Only thing I am going back and forth on is whether to get the GA with the trunk (they call it a top case) or regular bagger. I did tell them I wanted the GA but he told me I could change my mind up till they actually punch the order in as they pick either when they get the allocation to order. I love the convenience of having the trunk but like the look better without. Thoughts?
Th
Pulling the trigger! I like it. You may want to hold off on that Remus, Lol.. I was all over the GA model until I found out it's limited to 101 MPH. That's not safe for passing, IMHO. Don't know if it's possible, but I'm going to look at using the Harley quick attach mounts on the back of the B. How cool would it be to use our Harley backrest, Tourpack ect on the B?
Steve@fullsac.com
I went yesterday and rode it again for about an hour and though I am still a bit worried about the peg position, the performance of the bike is just really fun and insane!
Here's your peg lowering solution. This is a solid product and they offer one for a 2018 K 1600B.
https://www.suburban-machinery.com/K1600GTL.html (https://www.suburban-machinery.com/K1600GTL.html)
DH
That's a step in the right direction, but I need to go forward as well.
Steve@fullsac.com
That's a step in the right direction, but I need to go forward as well.
Steve@fullsac.com
That's a step in the right direction, but I need to go forward as well.I have until they get their first allocation before I have to pick the GA or just a B. I figure at least a month, maybe 2. Im counting on you Steve to either figure out a way to add a tour pak (or top case..) or a work around on the limiter. When I was out riding today I paid attention to how close I ever got to 100 and admittedly I was in the low 90's a couple of times when passing. I little part of me thinks knowing there is a limiter might not be bad but of course if I can get rid of it I would in a heartbeat.
Steve@fullsac.com
I have until they get their first allocation before I have to pick the GA or just a B. I figure at least a month, maybe 2. Im counting on you Steve to either figure out a way to add a tour pak (or top case..) or a work around on the limiter. When I was out riding today I paid attention to how close I ever got to 100 and admittedly I was in the low 90's a couple of times when passing. I little part of me thinks knowing there is a limiter might not be bad but of course if I can get rid of it I would in a heartbeat.
I have faith in you Steve, not just for those things but all the mods I know you will be developing!!
Well after saying i really wasn't interested in the bike when JC first put it in my ear (he is such a bad influence..) to going out and testing it when I started this thread, I just gave my deposit today to order the dealers first 19 they get. Since they are obviously made in Germany the lag time between dealer ordering and delivery is a few months so they should be ordering fairly soon. I am hoping they will put the TFT screen they currently have on their GS model on the bagger (screen is awesome).
I went yesterday and rode it again for about an hour and though I am still a bit worried about the peg position, the performance of the bike is just really fun and insane!
I am counting on you Steve to come up with some mods for this bike so I am thrilled to hear you bought one and will be "doing your thing" here soon!
I do intend to put on the Remus exhaust system and either find a way to modify the stock seat for a drivers backrest or get a aftermarket. I will say I am totally excited about the bike now that I gave the dealer my 5K deposit and am committed!
Only thing I am going back and forth on is whether to get the GA with the trunk (they call it a top case) or regular bagger. I did tell them I wanted the GA but he told me I could change my mind up till they actually punch the order in as they pick either when they get the allocation to order. I love the convenience of having the trunk but like the look better without. Thoughts?
Th
A 101 limit on the B is stupid. My GT isn’t limited and will do 160 or so I’ve been told. I’ve had my big ass up to 138 out in the middle of the desert. IMHO you need to be able to use that great HP and TQ. Otherwise you might as well buy a Harley. :) :huepfenjump3:
Simon, the B doesn't have a speed limiter. It's the GA that has the speed limiter. The factory rep that I talked with in Daytona said that the due to the top box, the bike started becoming unstable at speeds above 101 mph in the wind tunnel. I told him that most of us don't ride in a wind tunnel. It would be interesting to see the real story on that....
By the way, looking at their forums and facebook groups, many GT owners crossing over. One post talks about all the Harley owners that are crossing over (by their own admission) but was surprised at how many GT and GTL owners have crossed over.
Lastly, Steve was exaggerating in his comments above. I'm a dainty rider..... 8)
Lastly, Steve was exaggerating in his comments above. I'm a dainty rider..... 8)
Actually the B model does have a speed limiter but its much higher. BMW has it listed at "over 125 MPH". I read somewhere else that it's 134 MPH. Plenty fast enough for passing. Shortly after I get mine I will let you know the real number.:2vrolijk_21:
Steve@fullsac.com
What’s the difference between the 1600 GT and the 1600 B? Same with the 1600 GA vs the GTL? They look the same to me other than the bags looking better and the seat looks lower for the bsr (great improvement in my opinion) on the newer models. On my gtl the bags and trunk were removeable. I guess not on the new models?
What’s the difference between the 1600 GT and the 1600 B? Same with the 1600 GA vs the GTL? They look the same to me other than the bags looking better and the seat looks lower for the bsr (great improvement in my opinion) on the newer models. On my gtl the bags and trunk were removeable. I guess not on the new models?
Mostly styling differences. The B does not have a top box however, a couple of guys have already came up with a design of their own. The GA does not have a removable top box. If you look at them from the rear, they are different so not interchangeable. Not sure what the HP or TQ are on the GT or the GTL but......here's the specs on both of these models and this is before Steve George works his magic over there at Fullsac....
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4783/39052529500_887a942e50_b.jpg)
So I guess the only difference other than styling (which I like) is that the bags and top case are not removable. Weird.
The B doesn't have a top box. I'm not sure if the bags are removable from either one. Never rode any of my Ultra Classics without the bags so it wasn't even a question to ask, for me. But did think it's odd that the top box on the Grand America is not removable.Bags or top box not removable on B or GA
So I guess the only difference other than styling (which I like) is that the bags and top case are not removable. Weird.
Bags or top box not removable on B or GA
I believe when BMW states "non removable", they are comparing it to the "quick detach" side bags and top box on the GT and GTL. You can literally flip up the handle and walk away with the side bags or "Pannier" as luggage. I'm learning new words.The Top box is a 2 minute removal as shown in this vid. Note the functional luggage rack that remains. For what ever reason, the B model side bags are not quick detach like the GT and GTL. Of course you can unbolt them same as a Harley. Maybe the Germans thought the possibility of the black paint getting scuffed on the way up to the hotel room was Fubar and the quick detach option got Kaput?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg5Lhk023_c
Steve@fullsac.com
Steve the GTL has had the removable top box. But they're saying that the top box on the Grand America is not removable.
Alan, when you test rode the GA are you able to use the pro shift (without a clutch) with full throttle or just maintain where you're at when you shift?
Back in the day, BMW had the coolest looking bikes on the road. I don't know how they lost there way, but if they continue to regain their cosmetic swagger, sales are going to follow. Harleys latest mechanical floundering is only going to help.
Steve@fullsasc.com
True, in the 60's the BMW baggers were head turners.
Those are nice looking Bags. What the hell happened? lol....
Steve@fullsac.com
If the good Lord had seen fit to give me longer legs, I would'a had one of these (this color, too) back in 1999. I test rode one for half a day all over East TN (FLSTFI Dave, remember when McNutt's was over on Lovell Rd. and the only BMW dealer in East TN?) and loved the ride/power/seating position but I was tip-toes when stopped and that killed it for me.
Didn't Prince ride one of those Purple Rain?I just (found) read on the internet that it was a Honda - You thought Prince’s Purple Rain bike was a Harley? You’re wrong! (https://www.motofire.com/2016/04/you-thought-princes-purple-rain-bike-was-a-harley-youre-wrong/)… I thought it was/might be as I remembered the fairing reminded me of those Vetter <sp> of back in the day.
Steve@fullsac.com
Steve the GTL has had the removable top box. But they're saying that the top box on the Grand America is not removable.I don't know if the bike I rode had it or not, if it did I didnt know so I just shifted normally. It probably had it and Im pissed I didn't try it!
Alan, when you test rode the GA are you able to use the pro shift (without a clutch) with full throttle or just maintain where you're at when you shift?
Maybe the easy to remove bags and box came off when riding,malfunctioned with time or were easy to steal? :nixweiss:
This is a great video that talks about the clutchless shift. I had the same problem test riding yesterday.....kept forgetting that I didn't have to use the clutch and didn't have to roll off of the throttle..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEj5qi1Wq2oso what did you think?
JC
How cool was the clutchless shifting?
Corbin has an option for a backrest. Don't care for the white piping, but other than that it looks strangely familiar?
Steve@fullsac.com
PS- my 1600B will in on Thursday! :bananarock: :orange:
Playing around with the configurator:
http://corbin.picarioxpo.com/bmwk16bdte_1.pfs?width=2400&p.tn=Gray_Leather.png,Black_Bomber_Jacket.png,Navy_Blue_Leather.png,Medium_Silver.png,Light_Silver.png&p.c=,,,,&p.on=&wildCard=none&thePrice=763.00&thePart=BMW-K16-DT-E
Dozens of ways to modify that seat. About $1200.
http://media.corbin.com/config/bmwk16bdte/#bmwk16bdte_1.pfs?width=1100&p.tn=Black_Bomber_Jacket.png,Black_Bomber_Jacket.png,Black_Bomber_Jacket.png,Medium_Silver.png,Medium_Silver.png&p.c=,,,,&p.on=&wildCard=none&thePrice=763.00&thePart=BMW-K16-DT-E (http://media.corbin.com/config/bmwk16bdte/#bmwk16bdte_1.pfs?width=1100&p.tn=Black_Bomber_Jacket.png,Black_Bomber_Jacket.png,Black_Bomber_Jacket.png,Medium_Silver.png,Medium_Silver.png&p.c=,,,,&p.on=&wildCard=none&thePrice=763.00&thePart=BMW-K16-DT-E)
Now that seat goes with the bike! :2vrolijk_21:
JC, whats the benefit to riding in to Corbin and having the seat made? No doubt it looks the best!
Now that seat goes with the bike! :2vrolijk_21:
JC, whats the benefit to riding in to Corbin and having the seat made? No doubt it looks the best!
A couple of you guys have asked me if I've considered the new Gold Wing. I came across this dyno comparison today.....So what is strange about that curve is my Roadglide with the 124 has 141 HP and 132 TQ on the SAE dyno they did and riding the BMW it was absolutely in another world comparatively. Before riding it I figured it would be a bit quicker but I was shocked by just how much faster it was across the entire band. I would say similar to the difference between the 124 and stock motor but honestly it was way more than that. I had read various reviews saying it was crazy fast but I kinda figured the people writing them weren't used to a fast bike, I was wrong!
A couple of you guys have asked me if I've considered the new Gold Wing. I came across this dyno comparison today.....
So what is strange about that curve is my Roadglide with the 124 has 141 HP and 132 TQ on the SAE dyno they did and riding the BMW it was absolutely in another world comparatively. Before riding it I figured it would be a bit quicker but I was shocked by just how much faster it was across the entire band. I would say similar to the difference between the 124 and stock motor but honestly it was way more than that. I had read various reviews saying it was crazy fast but I kinda figured the people writing them weren't used to a fast bike, I was wrong!
It gets there.......fast. Especially when you're not even using a clutch or rolling back off the throttle! A fun bike to ride. :2vrolijk_21:
If the B puts out 160 hp at the crank and 131 hp at the wheel, that's a significant loss through the power train. I'm not that familiar with the dyno gain/loss ratio so is a 20% loss normal?
I went the to the ugly BMW in 2014 and have loved every minute of it. R1200GSA
This is by far one of the funnest motorcycles I have owned for a long time. It is extremely reliable. The suspension is out of this world. The Garmin gps is simple and straight forward.
The motor is a gem that I had no idea I was going to fall in love with! This thing has two personalities. Torque on this boxer is what I love the most but when I raced a buddy of mine on his K1600GTL I discovered a whole other side of this beast that pulls like a freight train all the way to the rev limiter. Throw in wide open "no clutch" shifts with gear shift assist pro and you just can't help but smile.
This bike gets no love...I took it on a 10 day trip to the Black Hills, Yellowstone, and Red Lodge and back to my place in the burbs of Chicago. I did not wash one bug off until I got home.
Very unlike my HD days.
Funny thing is the dirtier it got the more people it attracted. This thing is ugly and yet it draws a crowd unlike any HD I have owned?
So what I might add to those considering a switch.
BMW seats suck. But thats it. Pretty much love the rest of it.
Not saying if HD built a reliable performer that was not subpar in suspension and performance and reliability that I would not add another HD to the stable. I like HD's.
I was giving the M8 2 years to work out the problems and after reading all the sumping issues I will be waiting on whatever comes next.
While I wait to see if HD steps up I will continue to smile on this ugly fun bike.
I have ridden the k1600 and it is a beast. It is a performer in every way.
If you find it to be without soul try one of the boxer motor Beemers.
Torque and horsepower, a drone at certain rpm's that reminds of a twin engine prop plane with the props slightly out sync.
You might just find out HD is not the only motor with heritage and soul.
And I promise you at 1200cc you will not be disappointed.
4 Harley's later I have discovered (or remembered) my favorite roads are the unpaved ones. Going on trips I have done before but this time turning down every dirt road and discovering I missed the best parts by staying on the pavement.
I am really sorry to those that have M8's that are having on going problems and I hope that HD gets it figured out for you.
If the good Lord had seen fit to give me longer legs, I would'a had one of these (this color, too) back in 1999. I test rode one for half a day all over East TN (FLSTFI Dave, remember when McNutt's was over on Lovell Rd. and the only BMW dealer in East TN?) and loved the ride/power/seating position but I was tip-toes when stopped and that killed it for me.
I went the to the ugly BMW in 2014 and have loved every minute of it. R1200GSA
This is by far one of the funnest motorcycles I have owned for a long time. It is extremely reliable. The suspension is out of this world. The Garmin gps is simple and straight forward.
The motor is a gem that I had no idea I was going to fall in love with! This thing has two personalities. Torque on this boxer is what I love the most but when I raced a buddy of mine on his K1600GTL I discovered a whole other side of this beast that pulls like a freight train all the way to the rev limiter. Throw in wide open "no clutch" shifts with gear shift assist pro and you just can't help but smile.
This bike gets no love...I took it on a 10 day trip to the Black Hills, Yellowstone, and Red Lodge and back to my place in the burbs of Chicago. I did not wash one bug off until I got home.
Very unlike my HD days.
Funny thing is the dirtier it got the more people it attracted. This thing is ugly and yet it draws a crowd unlike any HD I have owned?
So what I might add to those considering a switch.
BMW seats suck. But thats it. Pretty much love the rest of it.
Not saying if HD built a reliable performer that was not subpar in suspension and performance and reliability that I would not add another HD to the stable. I like HD's.
I was giving the M8 2 years to work out the problems and after reading all the sumping issues I will be waiting on whatever comes next.
While I wait to see if HD steps up I will continue to smile on this ugly fun bike.
I have ridden the k1600 and it is a beast. It is a performer in every way.
If you find it to be without soul try one of the boxer motor Beemers.
Torque and horsepower, a drone at certain rpm's that reminds of a twin engine prop plane with the props slightly out sync.
You might just find out HD is not the only motor with heritage and soul.
And I promise you at 1200cc you will not be disappointed.
4 Harley's later I have discovered (or remembered) my favorite roads are the unpaved ones. Going on trips I have done before but this time turning down every dirt road and discovering I missed the best parts by staying on the pavement.
I am really sorry to those that have M8's that are having on going problems and I hope that HD gets it figured out for you.
Too much fun for sure! That is right up my alley!
Steve@fullsac.com
I'm seriously looking at the K1600B, but want a rider's backrest and a removable trunk. BMW offers the K1600B with either a trunk or not. I found a seat/backrest and a luggage rack/mount that appears it could be used to mount a trunk. Available soon. Link below for those interested:
http://www.sargentcycle.com/Seats-Accessories/Sargent-Seats-BMW-Bagger-InDev/
What you need it a K1600GT/GTL with a Top Case and a custom seat.
What you need it a K1600GT/GTL with a Top Case and a custom seat.
Removable Top Case
Removable Panniers (Saddlebags)
Custom seat by Russell Day Long using their backrest
Can you add the forward floorboards to the K1600 GT?
Simon that bike looks like it has a cloth seat? Is that the solumbra material that RDL is not offering? And isn't your current seat leather or is it pleather? Which seat materials have you had experience with and which do you prefer for long haul, all day long in the saddle kind of rides?
Yes, I'm familiar with the vinyl cover for the seat. The Corbin seat that I sit on last week here in Sturgis last weekend was that carbon fiber looking vinyl
Does RDL offer the leather inserts on top?
So question (and I'm assuming but you haven't said)....I believe you've also had a Corbin? And you choose RDL over Corbin for all day comfort?
That Corbin looks good and solves the back rest issue. I can already feel the money leaving my hand.
Steve@fullsac.com
PS- my 1600B pulled 128HP on the dyno last night!
Yes, I'm familiar with the vinyl cover for the seat. The Corbin seat that I sit on last week here in Sturgis last weekend was that carbon fiber looking vinyl
Does RDL offer the leather inserts on top?
So question (and I'm assuming but you haven't said)....I believe you've also had a Corbin? And you choose RDL over Corbin for all day comfort?
Here's a small bonus if you buy the new BMW and have a Garmin 660 laying around. The 1600B comes with a built in dock for a GPS but it's not included. They charge something like 900.00 bucks for the BMW/Garmin unit. I opened up the slot and removed the block off plate and thought damm that looks familiar. Had my old 660 laying around that I kept when I sold my 2012 CVO. Slid right in and powered up! Only negative is the Nav menu will not run it. Have to use the touch screen. I love seeing the HD Logo in the middle of the BMW dash.
Steve@fullsac.com
I thought the BMW Garmin looked like the HD 660 and 665 and even said that to the salesman....."looks just like the Harley Garmin". Good catch Steve! :2vrolijk_21:
You need to post that pic on the BMW forum. :P
Something tells me the BMW Guys won't be as entertained as we are with the Harley badge coming on when you power it up. lol..
Steve@fullsac.com
Well.....a handfull of them, anyway. You've probably noticed, a few of them came from Harleys and several from CVOs.
A handfull for sure have some very narrow thinking. Quite a few multi bike quys in there too.
Steve@fullsac.com
If the good Lord had seen fit to give me longer legs, I would'a had one of these (this color, too) back in 1999. I test rode one for half a day all over East TN (FLSTFI Dave, remember when McNutt's was over on Lovell Rd. and the only BMW dealer in East TN?) and loved the ride/power/seating position but I was tip-toes when stopped and that killed it for me.
Looked at a B yesterday. Seat is very uncomfortable and no back-rest available. No passenger backrest. EVERYONE has the same color. Mufflers are butt ugly. No GPS. crappy stereo, guy riding one I looked at said no hear above 60 and it sucked below in quality, No accessory tourpak (and don't say look at the GA, it will only run 101 and if you do some searching on internet they say above 80 loaded it is sketchy. Power is good, shifter deal is slick. $500 for required valve adjustment and spark plugs (old style mechanical lifters), rider stated he was advised by dealer PRIOR to purchase, If we don't do maintenance, we don't warranty. Very limited dealer locations.
Whoa, scary proposition. We all have different wants and needs but you would really have to want quicker shifting and more power to want one of these. IMHO.
Here's a small bonus if you buy the new BMW and have a Garmin 660 laying around. The 1600B comes with a built in dock for a GPS but it's not included. They charge something like 900.00 bucks for the BMW/Garmin unit. I opened up the slot and removed the block off plate and thought damm that looks familiar. Had my old 660 laying around that I kept when I sold my 2012 CVO. Slid right in and powered up! Only negative is the Nav menu will not run it. Have to use the touch screen. I love seeing the HD Logo in the middle of the BMW dash.
Steve@fullsac.com
Looked at a B yesterday. Seat is very uncomfortable and no back-rest available. No passenger backrest. EVERYONE has the same color. Mufflers are butt ugly. No GPS. crappy stereo, guy riding one I looked at said no hear above 60 and it sucked below in quality, No accessory tourpak (and don't say look at the GA, it will only run 101 and if you do some searching on internet they say above 80 loaded it is sketchy. Power is good, shifter deal is slick. $500 for required valve adjustment and spark plugs (old style mechanical lifters), rider stated he was advised by dealer PRIOR to purchase, If we don't do maintenance, we don't warranty. Very limited dealer locations.
Whoa, scary proposition. We all have different wants and needs but you would really have to want quicker shifting and more power to want one of these. IMHO.
Service, you can service it yourself. They do have a dummy "service" flag that sets every 6k and you need to pay to get that reset. Sucks but the reset costs me $25 at my local dealer.
Guess you could reset it yourself with the GS-911, I'm told it'll interact with the abs so you can properly bleed the brakes too https://www.gs911usa.com/
My order for a GT sport is currently being processed.
Cheers
Looked at a B yesterday. Seat is very uncomfortable and no back-rest available. No passenger backrest. EVERYONE has the same color. Mufflers are butt ugly. No GPS. crappy stereo, guy riding one I looked at said no hear above 60 and it sucked below in quality, No accessory tourpak (and don't say look at the GA, it will only run 101 and if you do some searching on internet they say above 80 loaded it is sketchy. Power is good, shifter deal is slick. $500 for required valve adjustment and spark plugs (old style mechanical lifters), rider stated he was advised by dealer PRIOR to purchase, If we don't do maintenance, we don't warranty. Very limited dealer locations.Before switching from 28 years on Harleys to the new BMW K1600B I did my due diligence. First, the valve adjustment is every 18K, when you consider Harleys 10K services the overall cost is very close.
Whoa, scary proposition. We all have different wants and needs but you would really have to want quicker shifting and more power to want one of these. IMHO.
Before switching from 28 years on Harleys to the new BMW K1600B I did my due diligence. First, the valve adjustment is every 18K, when you consider Harleys 10K services the overall cost is very close.All good to hear Scott!
I've owned 12 new Harleys and every one required some warranty work. My BMW K1600B has not, it simply runs like a fine peace of machinery.
I still like Harleys, there just not the same thing. Like comparing a Camaro to a Ferrari. Each has it's strengths but very different.
The greatest down side to the BMW is price of parts and lack of accessories. On the other hand they don't sell you a starter kit, this is a GREAT motorcycle right off the showroom floor.
Riding it is so much fun. Nothing else like it. So comfortable I could ride all day, you really can't tell how good this bike is with a test ride, it takes months of ownership to take it all in, to learn shifting without a clutch, braking with the hand brake only and making the proper suspension adjustments.
In my opinion, the BMW straight 6cyl engine is the best powerplant available in a touring motorcycle. Nothing else comes close, regardless of your modifications.
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I saw that San Jose BMW has two lowering brackets. 1.25 drop and 2.50 drop. Kind of pricey at $299. As well as a lower factory seat.
Yes, there are a couple of lowering options for the B and the GA and most dealerships out here are ordering them with the "Low" seat. But Terry......why would you be looking at all of this? :nixweiss: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: Maybe it has something to do with the B as low as $19,995 on Cycle Trader? Jusayinzall;D
Did you see Steve's (Fullsac) video of the dash while it was on the dyno? Maybe he'll post it here.
Hey Terry, I posted this in a previous thread and I'm not sure how tall you are but I'm 5'6" and on the B with the lower seat (and I was wearing tennis shoes not my normal riding boots) I was using the ball of my foot and toes and not completely flat footed straddling it in the showroom. Funny but the GA/GTL (or whatever the non-B was) with the lower seat sitting right next to the "B", same scenario, I was just about flat footed. With my normal boots, I believe my feet would be flat but it would still be a stretch for me to feel comfortable.I'm 5'6" as well. Thanks for the info.
Those lowering brackets would be worth the money to me if I were serious about a move to either BMW model....