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New Build 110 to 113
« on: March 08, 2016, 08:53:43 AM »

Ok I have finally made the decision to blow off the 117 build. I still have the HD kit but I have someone local who wants it. I have a 2014 SE Limited that had 23,500 miles when torn down. It did have the rear cam bearing coming apart at teardown. Cases were split and are being reassembled with an S&S rotating assembly with the Timken conversion. I have the fueling kit which consists of the cam plate, oil pump and lifters. The cams I finally decided on were the TC 24D cams with new cam bearings in the case. The cylinders were bored by Zippers and I have a set of SE 10.5 to 1 pistons. Cylinder bore is now 4.060 for 113 CI. The heads were done by Zippers as well. I have no specs on them as of yet excepted they were decked .020.  I do have them and I checked them out yesterday and they look great. The throttle body will either be the stock 50mm with 5.3 injectors or the SE 58mm with 6.2 injectors and the air cleaner is T-Mans. The clutch will have the AIM 400 with Bakers compensator and manual adjuster. The exhaust is a D&D Fat Kat with the quite baffle. I am curious how the heads were setup just in case I want more cam down the road. This will be my touring bike so I am not chasing numbers. I am still waiting on the lower unit, so I am hoping to start to put her back together sometime next week if I don't send the heads and cylinders and heads out to be diamond cut.

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Re: New Build 110 to 113
« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2016, 10:03:48 AM »

Be careful with the diamond cut...they look great BUT their turn around time was 4 weeks off with my parts. When you call, they blame it on Fed Ex, computer down, then they will put you on hold and never come back to the phone. chitty customer service as far as I'm concerned. They got the patent so I quess they must think they got ya by the ass. Kinda like the MoCo at times.
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Re: New Build 110 to 113
« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2016, 10:23:48 AM »

Be careful with the diamond cut...they look great BUT their turn around time was 4 weeks off with my parts. When you call, they blame it on Fed Ex, computer down, then they will put you on hold and never come back to the phone. chitty customer service as far as I'm concerned. They got the patent so I quess they must think they got ya by the ass. Kinda like the MoCo at times.

I will call and see what they have to say. I would hope by now they are slowing down due to riding weather being upon us now. I have 2 other bikes to ride so it's no big deal on the time.

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Re: New Build 110 to 113
« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2016, 09:26:48 PM »

Dawg
Really interested to see how the builds turns out. The 113 route is the way I have chosen to go also with the 24D cams. Heads are at Sachs now being done. The main difference between the route you are going and mine will be pistons. Thought about the 10.5s but when all said and done decided the flat top route.

Can't wait to see your results. I am still going to be a couple months away from being able to take mine down so you will probably have lots of miles on yours by then.

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Re: New Build 110 to 113
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2016, 08:10:02 AM »

I'm hoping to get the lower end one day this week. I still may send the heads and cylinders to Diamond Heads while they are off the bike.

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Re: New Build 110 to 113
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2016, 06:59:56 PM »

I'm going the 113 route as well.  Thought I'd be close to having it back together now, but caught the crud and have been sick the last 3.5 weeks and the last 5 days in the hospital.  Haven't felt like even working on it.  Put the bottom end together 4 weeks ago before I got sick and haven't done anything since.  Bottom end went back together with S&S crank and T3 Oil pump/cam plate.  Using the suburban 9 cc domed pistons.  Heads are at HDSP now.  One of the cams Don suggested was the 24D, but likely I'm going the GMR 577 route.  Already have a SE 58 MM TB with 5.3 injectors and a Barnet lock up for the CVO.  Will have the cylinders bored/honed locally and have Chad at Wide Open Cycles do the tune.   Interested in seeing how yours turns out as well.  :2vrolijk_21:
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Re: New Build 110 to 113
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2016, 08:16:03 PM »

Dawg any concerns about the CCP using the 10.5 with the 24D? I thought about that route but was worried I would never get the compression down enough for there not to be a little PMS
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Re: New Build 110 to 113
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2016, 09:15:55 PM »

Dawg any concerns about the CCP using the 10.5 with the 24D? I thought about that route but was worried I would never get the compression down enough for there not to be a little PMS

Zippers didn't think there would be a problem. They cut the heads but only .020. So I don't think there will be an issue.

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Re: New Build 110 to 113
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2016, 10:58:09 PM »

Hope it turns out nice Dawg. I'm with you right now on a 113 instead of the 117. No work planned till next winter tho.

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Re: New Build 110 to 113
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2016, 09:27:41 AM »

Hope it turns out nice Dawg. I'm with you right now on a 113 instead of the 117. No work planned till next winter tho.

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Hunter I would think by the fall the aftermarket will come out with some good cylinders and pistons for the 110 to 117 conversion. But I was already apart and looking to go 113 till the 117 kit was released. So I ordered a 117 kit. Then the problems with the cylinders was discovered.  Zippers has already finished the my stock cylinders and bored them to 4.060 and fitted the pistons. That is my safest route at this time.

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Re: New Build 110 to 113
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2016, 09:32:13 AM »

Good luck with the fueling stuff...
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Re: New Build 110 to 113
« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2016, 11:22:55 AM »

SO you bought the 113 pistons from HD 
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Re: New Build 110 to 113
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2016, 11:52:49 AM »

Good luck with the fueling stuff...


Been running the fueling stuff for over 11 years now and I have never had any problems. The quality of the new stuff I got looks Ok. I hope we are not having problems with their products now.

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Re: New Build 110 to 113
« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2016, 12:44:11 PM »

SO you bought the 113 pistons from HD

I actually thought that I had. I called up to my buddies where the bike and parts are to get the part number off the box. He told they were not HD Pistons but he thought they were CP pistons. I don't remember and won't be up there till I get the lower unit back. I will have plenty of pics of the build.

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Re: New Build 110 to 113
« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2016, 01:52:41 PM »

If they are the forged SE 113 pistons it is a wiseco..  Now if you had a CP that would be great , but you do not ..  If I where doing the build and that piston "had" to be used I would have them re-coated and run a product that we have been using for some time now. But in short the coating is set to the bore size so you fit the piston into the bore. ( you still have the same piston to wall spec , but the coating takes that up completely.. With that item you could reduce the skirt taper by building the coating up .  This would provide increased piston stability which in never a bad thing . 
I am doing that now with a set of noisy 124 pistons. Ring seal is going away again due to piston design. So I will re ring and fix the poor design on the skirt..   :2vrolijk_21:
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