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[Twolanerider]

Have looked around the web only to find speculation and reportage of widely varying degree.  Since could not find anything definitive elsewhere will try the membership here.

I've never had any prior experience with Rineharts (true duals for a dresser).  So aside from the general discussions common to them I know squat. 

If anyone has before and after experience with their standard baffles and their quiet baffles please share.  Not just sound but any difference in the torque curve.

Thanks

[igofar]

Twolane...
I have the Rinehart Tru Duals on my 110".
I did buy and try the "Quiet Baffles" but that trial was very short lived.
The quiet baffles sounded just as loud but worst of all, they had a very "tinny, cheap" sound.
In the short time I ran the optional baffles, I could not notice any power increase or decrease.
The sound was reason enough to cut the test very early.... Anyone want a good deal on some quiet baffles??


Brad

[iski]

Had the standard baffles in when the bike was first tuned, Don.

TQ 117/HP 92.  Same numbers after the quiet baffles were installed, but I had it

tweaked since it was not running quite a smoothly in the power band.  No difference in power or

"feel" with the exception the bike "feels" a bit more powerful at lower RPM (2k - 1st/2nd gear) with the quieter baffle.


BTW - the so called quiet baffles are not exactly quiet on the 110 motor.  The standard baffles

were damn loud and in my young whippersnapper days would have loved them. 'Quiet' baffles have a more muted sound.

[Twolanerider]

Twolane...
I have the Rinehart Tru Duals on my 110".
I did buy and try the "Quiet Baffles" but that trial was very short lived.
The quiet baffles sounded just as loud but worst of all, they had a very "tinny, cheap" sound.
In the short time I ran the optional baffles, I could not notice any power increase or decrease.
The sound was reason enough to cut the test very early.... Anyone want a good deal on some quiet baffles??


Brad

Thanks Iski.  Thanks Brad.  Not having used the product myself before that kind of before and after is invaluable experience.

Brad, how good is good?  I'm not above trying them out to see the difference if the testing comes at a fair discount.

Did either of you notice if any quieting effect was across the RPM range or only at an idle or lower RPMs?

Thanks guys.

[iski]

They are quieter across the entire RPM band, except possibly at full throttle, where they are loud as hell.  At idle more noticeably quiet.  As a comparison, the quiet baffles on the 110 are about as loud as the stock baffles on my TC-88 RK.


Less 'pop' than the originals in my bike, Don.  More of a low rumble that is likely too muted for some, but ok by me cuz I like to listen to the tunes and all.

[Twolanerider]

They are quieter across the entire RPM band, except possibly at full throttle, where they are loud as hell.  At idle more noticeably quiet.  As a comparison, the quiet baffles on the 110 are about as loud as the stock baffles on my TC-88 RK.


Less 'pop' than the originals in my bike, Don.  More of a low rumble that is likely too muted for some, but ok by me cuz I like to listen to the tunes and all.

Thanks.  That's a description with enough shared references to be completely understandable  .

Did you notice the tinny sound that Brad mentioned?  Just wondering if that's a general issue or a specific one Brad had to suffer with.

From what you've described here I think I'd like to give them a shot though.

Brad, PM a price and we'll see if I'm as convinced to guinea pig this project for myself as I think I am.

[RetiredOF]

Have looked around the web only to find speculation and reportage of widely varying degree.  Since could not find anything definitive elsewhere will try the membership here.

I've never had any prior experience with Rineharts (true duals for a dresser).  So aside from the general discussions common to them I know squat. 

I had both on my super tuned 04 Road Glide.  Liked them both, although the quiet baffles were much more livable when pulling a trailer.  Just installed the standard Rineharts on my 07 Road Glide and like the sound, but have a set of quiet baffles to use when pulling the trailer.

As to power changes, my tuner and I could see no significant change in either baffle.

Enjoy,

Jim

If anyone has before and after experience with their standard baffles and their quiet baffles please share.  Not just sound but any difference in the torque curve.

Thanks

[Twolanerider]

pulling a trailer

Wonderful, even more spot on advice.

The primary reason I asked this was a couple of short pulls I've done in the last few days with the new trailer.  The difference between having the trailer behind me and not having it behind me is striking.  Significant reverb comes off the face of the trailer and bounces forward. 

If the quiet baffle was an improvement there I definitely want to give them a try.  Thanks very much.

[Bubba]

Don, I had RH on my RK,  I too did a stupid thing and bought the $99.00 "quite" baffle, SAVE YOUR MONEY Don't do it......
The baffle that came with it sound GREAT,  Performance GREAT,  noise level SUCKS... When I bought my CUSE I to put the RH on it as well, the only problem was I could not hear the Phone, Radio ect.  But I could tell by the seat of the butt dyno They work GREAT....

Rineharts has my vote for the performance no questions about it.
The only problem I had was the sound on a long trip, well it kinda wares on you,  but I'm guess I'm getting old.  Sold them on this site (THANKS Neal) and opt for the SE pipes and the V & H Dresser duels while in my opinion is quieter.
~mike~

[Rhino]

Hi All,

I started with a late model version of the Rinehart TD's for my Cuse2. They came with standard baffles. At the time, they had 3 baffle choices. The stock, quiet and performance.  When I called, they said they changed the formats to have the stock, and a new performance baffle. Only 1 choice now. It would fit the pipes that have the three hex screws at the tailpipe.   I checked and I had this version. The 'NEW" baffle is choked to 1 7/8ths similar in location and shape to the stock baffle, but a bit more squeeze than the original. I was told that the NEW one gave better torque.  So, I did it, and installed the replacements, and did find 2 things. Torque did increase, but I also attribute that to the cam combo I had been using so it ooomphed it a bit more, and the cruising sound went a bit quieter, however when wrapping it up, it is louder than the stock baffle. Just my 02.

Rhino

[Twolanerider]

Don, I had RH on my RK,  I too did a stupid thing and bought the $99.00 "quite" baffle, SAVE YOUR MONEY Don't do it......
The baffle that came with it sound GREAT,  Performance GREAT,  noise level SUCKS... When I bought my CUSE I to put the RH on it as well, the only problem was I could not hear the Phone, Radio ect.  But I could tell by the seat of the butt dyno They work GREAT....

Rineharts has my vote for the performance no questions about it.
The only problem I had was the sound on a long trip, well it kinda wares on you,  but I'm guess I'm getting old.  Sold them on this site (THANKS Neal) and opt for the SE pipes and the V & H Dresser duels while in my opinion is quieter.
~mike~

Mike, these Rineharts are about the same level of loud going down the road as were my V&H duals with the White Brothers E Series on the end of them.  They did move the torque up a couple hundred RPM though.  Not enough to be significant.  And the bike is running crappy enough right now that it's a distinction without a difference anyway.  But at least in its current state of tune there was that difference.

What I'm really interested in, however, is for use when pulling this little Bushtec trailer.  I'd not even mind slipping the baffles in and out for "normal" use as opposed to long trips when pulling the trailer.  The bounce off the front of the trailer is surprising though.  I'd spend a little to lessen it if I could do so without hurting other things too much in the process.

[SBB]

Don

Good observation on the sound bouncing off the front of the trailer.
Whatever pipes you have they will be louder pulling the trailer.
I know from experience!

 

[Twolanerider]

Hi All,

I started with a late model version of the Rinehart TD's for my Cuse2. They came with standard baffles. At the time, they had 3 baffle choices. The stock, quiet and performance.  When I called, they said they changed the formats to have the stock, and a new performance baffle. Only 1 choice now. It would fit the pipes that have the three hex screws at the tailpipe.   I checked and I had this version. The 'NEW" baffle is choked to 1 7/8ths similar in location and shape to the stock baffle, but a bit more squeeze than the original. I was told that the NEW one gave better torque.  So, I did it, and installed the replacements, and did find 2 things. Torque did increase, but I also attribute that to the cam combo I had been using so it ooomphed it a bit more, and the cruising sound went a bit quieter, however when wrapping it up, it is louder than the stock baffle. Just my 02.

Rhino

The set I've got are their 1800-0242.  These I'm told are the current/latest design and have the "standard" baffle.  The rep at Bub did tell me of a "quiet" baffle option though.  The difficulty was she could offer no guidance nor insight as to quiet in what range or effects on the torque curve.  So, as is so often the best solution anyway, I've fallen back on the collective wisdom of the CVO membership.

[Twolanerider]

Don

Good observation on the sound bouncing off the front of the trailer.
Whatever pipes you have they will be louder pulling the trailer.
I know from experience!

 

It is a striking difference too Chip.  Amused myself because the first time I rode the bike after making the pipe swap the trailer was hooked on.  Had this immediate "oh crap what did I do" moment thinking these things were going to be just incredibly loud.  Dropped the trailer off at the paint shop and got on the bike to ride home to find, voila, all the sudden the exhaust was just so much quieter.

After I got through calling myself stupid a couple of times for not immediately realizing all of what was going on I then decided to see what the baffle options might be for these mufflers.

[Bubba]

Don read my fingers DON"T BUY THE QUITE BAFFLES.....They SUCK

The Rineharts are GREAT and I still like them and still debating on putting them back on my bike... Just a little loud for me.
All I saying is DON'T buy the quiet baffle,  Sound Sucks.

~mike~

[Twolanerider]

Don read my fingers DON"T BUY THE QUITE BAFFLES.....They SUCK

The Rineharts are GREAT and I still like them and still debating on putting them back on my bike... Just a little loud for me.
All I saying is DON'T buy the quiet baffle,  Sound Sucks.

~mike~

I'm hearing you Mike.  Would they suck too bad to only use for a week or so at a time (or maybe two weeks) two or three times a year when the trailer is behind me?  Rest of the "normal" time use the standard baffles?

That's the idea that's in my head anyway.

[Bubba]

I'm hearing you Mike.  Would they suck too bad to only use for a week or so at a time (or maybe two weeks) two or three times a year when the trailer is behind me?  Rest of the "normal" time use the standard baffles?

That's the idea that's in my head anyway.

Your just like my 19 year old, HARD HEADED,  and yes they would suck too bad...

I really don't think you will like the sound as its more a higher pitch and still as far as the loudness is about the same just changes tone/pitch.
 

[Twolanerider]

Your just like my 19 year old, HARD HEADED,  and yes they would suck too bad...

I really don't think you will like the sound as its more a higher pitch and still as far as the loudness is about the same just changes tone/pitch.
 

Dammit  .


Ok, now have one "about the same" with just differences in pitch or tone rather than overall volume. 

Two that have suggested some level tinny, cheap or otherwise poor quality sound with the quiet baffle.

And one that seemed to suggest an actual lowering of the sound level across the RPM range.

Oy vey....   What's a guy to do.  Maybe Brad will let me experiment cheap.  Sure don't want to be a fool in Bubba's eyes though.  He'll tell Mrs. Bubba and I'm afraid of that little woman.

[Bubba]

Dammit  .


Ok, now have one "about the same" with just differences in pitch or tone rather than overall volume. 

Two that have suggested some level tinny, cheap or otherwise poor quality sound with the quiet baffle.

And one that seemed to suggest an actual lowering of the sound level across the RPM range.

Oy vey....   What's a guy to do.  Maybe Brad will let me experiment cheap.  Sure don't want to be a fool in Bubba's eyes though.  He'll tell Mrs. Bubba and I'm afraid of that little woman.

  Me TOO!  

[Twolanerider]

  Me TOO!  

Hey, maybe she needs a quiet baffle  ?




(no no no no no no no, I did not really say that.....)

[iski]

Thanks.  That's a description with enough shared references to be completely understandable  .

Did you notice the tinny sound that Brad mentioned? Just wondering if that's a general issue or a specific one Brad had to suffer with.

From what you've described here I think I'd like to give them a shot though.

Brad, PM a price and we'll see if I'm as convinced to guinea pig this project for myself as I think I am.

No, I did not.  I put them on the bike hoping to quiet it down - it did.  Have found from experience that pipes are

VERY subjective (like tuning type).  I have not put the stock baffles back in - still very pleased with the 'quiet'

baffles.

I tried wrapping the stock baffles with fiberglass first.  That was a waste of time.


Interesting info on pipes while pulling a trailer.  Never had a trailer but ride with friends who have them. 

[CVOJOE]

Don, I had RH on my RK,  I too did a stupid thing and bought the $99.00 "quite" baffle, SAVE YOUR MONEY Don't do it......

    I AGREE WITH BUBBA !

Tried all three versions of the baffles, primary reason was to experiment with the sound of each and get it where I wanted it. The quiet version had the worst sound of the three and I've stayed with the performance baffles, I mean that's why we use OTS (other than stock) in the first place right? My dyno numbers were great, but did not do three dyno runs to validate the different baffles effects, if any, just too damn expensive to satisfy that interest. IMHO.

I use ear plugs a lot when riding on the longer runs, mostly to get rid of the wind noise and back seat safety advisor feedback  , and it does help with the exhaust noise no doubt. But of course on the SERK I'm not worried about all the accessories interfering with the riding experience. 
Joe

[EZRIDN]

Don,

Here's another option/opinion from the prairie lands....I'm a real fan of the Freedom True Duals (the original duals/not the new double barreled muffed version).  The sound is nice at idle, mellow on cruising and will make old ladies soil their undies when you crack the throttle.  They look similar to the Rineharts and are made by Bub Ent. and thats about where the similarities end.  The fit & finish is a little nicer than the RH...in my opinion....based on a side-by-side comparison.  The sound is not as harsh as the RH...best description I can come up with on that.  I have gotten lots of questions/positive comments since I've had them on.  They are still available from Freedom Cycle on a limited basis. 

Another alternative, regardless of whatever pipes/baffles you end up going with...maybe consider just swapping out the end caps for turn outs/turn downs or the eagle beak style to diffuse the sound waves from centering on the trailer.   Just a thought....you could easily swap back & forth depending upon the "look" you're going for.  Or find a machinist in your area to make up a custom "two-laner" design?

Later.....ez.

[Twolanerider]

Don,

Here's another option/opinion from the prairie lands....I'm a real fan of the Freedom True Duals (the original duals/not the new double barreled muffed version).  The sound is nice at idle, mellow on cruising and will make old ladies soil their undies when you crack the throttle.  They look similar to the Rineharts and are made by Bub Ent. and thats about where the similarities end.  The fit & finish is a little nicer than the RH...in my opinion....based on a side-by-side comparison.  The sound is not as harsh as the RH...best description I can come up with on that.  I have gotten lots of questions/positive comments since I've had them on.  They are still available from Freedom Cycle on a limited basis. 

Another alternative, regardless of whatever pipes/baffles you end up going with...maybe consider just swapping out the end caps for turn outs/turn downs or the eagle beak style to diffuse the sound waves from centering on the trailer.   Just a thought....you could easily swap back & forth depending upon the "look" you're going for.  Or find a machinist in your area to make up a custom "two-laner" design?

Later.....ez.

Thanks EZ.  A different set of end caps was a Plan B idea I was still bouncing around also.  I've never been a real fan of the standard Rinehart end caps to begin with.  Their somewhat common discoloring issues makes me even less concerned with using them. 

I didn't find any turn outs or turn downs on the shelf anyplace.  Did find a set of billet ball milled caps that I like and am using for "normal" riding.  Hadn't looked enough to if I'd exhausted options for anything else though.  Definitely a notion worth pursuing though.

When the trailer is behind it's not even that it's unbearably loud.  Just that it is definitely noticably louder.  And the gain is very much with a reverb/rebound effect to it.  So if I can find an easy or manageable alternative for trailer use I'd give it a try.  If not, however, it's not a deal breaker or a heart wrencher.

[Midnight Rider]

Don...Eastern Performance offers a set of slash cut billet end caps for the RH's that look very much like the Billet end caps we used to see on the SE 98 version of the SE Performance slip-ons like I had on my bike to begin with.  I am thinking seriously about them if/when mine turn purple again.  Just that slight bit of direction towards the ground makes more difference thant one would think, and pulling the trailer, it would likely be even more of a difference over the straight version.  They are not inexpensive, but I've seen the billet grooved version of their caps and they are quality pieces.

[Rooster]

Nothing barks louder against the trailer than a thunder header but Mrs Rooster loves it. Of course that was when I pulled it with the old wide glide. I think it is time to quiet it down a little now adays.

[WFP]

My purple rinehart caps complement the purple color in the tank emblem!

[Twolanerider]

Don...Eastern Performance offers a set of slash cut billet end caps for the RH's that look very much like the Billet end caps we used to see on the SE 98 version of the SE Performance slip-ons like I had on my bike to begin with.  I am thinking seriously about them if/when mine turn purple again.  Just that slight bit of direction towards the ground makes more difference thant one would think, and pulling the trailer, it would likely be even more of a difference over the straight version.  They are not inexpensive, but I've seen the billet grooved version of their caps and they are quality pieces.

Must have missed their turn outs.  It was their ball milled (grooved) caps that I ended up using.  I personally prefer the shape of an oval muffler.  With round ones I like this kind of cap though.  Couldn't get my old White Brothers mufflers anymore though.  The pipe's heat shields on my bike were not in great shape anymore and the mufflers were surprisingly dinged up.  So it had become time to make a change.  Even with the compromise made to have them I'll always do true duals.  So the Rineharts ended up seeming the best option of what was available.

[Midnight Rider]

Must have missed their turn outs.  It was their ball milled (grooved) caps that I ended up using.  I personally prefer the shape of an oval muffler.  With round ones I like this kind of cap though.  Couldn't get my old White Brothers mufflers anymore though.  The pipe's heat shields on my bike were not in great shape anymore and the mufflers were surprisingly dinged up.  So it had become time to make a change.  Even with the compromise made to have them I'll always do true duals.  So the Rineharts ended up seeming the best option of what was available.

Very nice...Tbone has those on one of his many bikes with RH's    Well made pieces...they make a black powdercoated version as well that I have considered.  On my bike, the black kind of ties the rear end up a bit.

[Twolanerider]

Very nice...Tbone has those on one of his many bikes with RH's    Well made pieces...they make a black powdercoated version as well that I have considered.  On my bike, the black kind of ties the rear end up a bit.

I was actually very pleasantly surprised at how well made these seemed.  Looked them over closely before installation.  Really (really really) nice machining, very good tolerances for the installation, and beautiful chrome.  I had a credit with them to cover more than half the cost so it "felt" better too.

[Midnight Rider]

I was actually very pleasantly surprised at how well made these seemed.  Looked them over closely before installation.  Really (really really) nice machining, very good tolerances for the installation, and beautiful chrome.  I had a credit with them to cover more than half the cost so it "felt" better too.

All of my dealings with EP have been excellent, as have others I know.  They seem to have their chit together on the customer service end of things, and good product too.  They were the best price by a good bit on the pipe I got for the V and with free shipping to my door in a couple of days. Same with the RH's for the big bike.  Straight up company....

Glad you are happy with the pipes...I know you loved the White Bros, but I'm going to have to be honest with you...they were detracting from the Red Bike's looks there, buddy....

[Twolanerider]

All of my dealings with EP have been excellent, as have others I know.  They seem to have their chit together on the customer service end of things, and good product too.  They were the best price by a good bit on the pipe I got for the V and with free shipping to my door in a couple of days. Same with the RH's for the big bike.  Straight up company....

Glad you are happy with the pipes...I know you loved the White Bros, but I'm going to have to be honest with you...they were detracting from the Red Bike's looks there, buddy....

Hehe, I still like the look of the ovals better then these round ones.  But these are ok.  And I'll get used to them.  I do like the chrome grooved caps a lot better then the dark ones that came with the mufflers.

Even with the red bike not running ideally right now I did notice that the Rineharts moved the torque curve up about 400 RPM from what the others did.  There's a bit more work and another tune in the future.  So hopefully some new happy medium will be found.

I seemed to very much luck out on the exhaust system itself though.  A current part number (not one of the old versions with the breakage issues).  Scored the set on eBay from someone for a couple hundred bucks less then I found from any vendor.  That's what really cinched the deal to go ahead and change them now.

[iski]

Must have missed their turn outs.  It was their ball milled (grooved) caps that I ended up using.  I personally prefer the shape of an oval muffler.  With round ones I like this kind of cap though.  Couldn't get my old White Brothers mufflers anymore though.  The pipe's heat shields on my bike were not in great shape anymore and the mufflers were surprisingly dinged up.  So it had become time to make a change.  Even with the compromise made to have them I'll always do true duals.  So the Rineharts ended up seeming the best option of what was available.

Great looking end caps, Don. 

I would say I am jealous, which I am, but I refuse to admit it, even though I just did.

[Twolanerider]

Great looking end caps, Don. 

I would say I am jealous, which I am, but I refuse to admit it, even though I just did.

I promise not to hear it, or read it; even if I have.

[110tHunDer]

 
D@mn, I love those end caps!  Do you have a link to where you got them?  Might have to try to score some of those before HS.

Also, I agree with Terry, the E-series suck aesthetically.  I can say that now since Terry stuck his neck out, first.

[Fired00d]

They are a eBay seller - Eastern Performance Cycles or you can visit their online store directly - Eastern Perfomance.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[110tHunDer]

 
Thanks, Gary.  Those things look like twice the quality of the genuine Rinehart chrome end caps and cost $30 less.  They are presently on the way to my doorstep.

[Twolanerider]

Thanks, Gary.  Those things look like twice the quality of the genuine Rinehart chrome end caps and cost $30 less.  They are presently on the way to my doorstep.

If mine are any indication they really are nicely machined parts too Brian.  Inside and out look like beautiful work.  The fit is perfect and the look (to me) was a lot better than the OE dark caps.

[Fired00d]

Thanks, Gary.  Those things look like twice the quality of the genuine Rinehart chrome end caps and cost $30 less.  They are presently on the way to my doorstep.

You're welcome always like helping others feed their OCD. Which ones did you get? I just noticed on their site that they have some caps that are supposed to increase HP/TQ by 2 - EPC Afterburner End Cap Tips for BUB Rinehart True Duals.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[110tHunDer]

 
I got the ones Don got.  Them afterburner ones are kinda funky, IMHO.

[Fired00d]

I got the ones Don got.  Them afterburner ones are kinda funky, IMHO.

Hmm, hadn't seen those pictures to notice the center piece.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[Twolanerider]

I got the ones Don got.  Them afterburner ones are kinda funky, IMHO.

I looked at those also.  Funky.  'tarded.  Not my cup o' tea.