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[AUSSIE_FLSTFSE]

Don't want to open a can of worms here as I am set to try the Redshift575 but had a quick peek at the freedom bolt in cam for the 103 & they boast 105hp & 113lbtq but with no specs or dyno sheet. Also costs a chitload more WTF!
Does anyone have them fitted??
Are they gear drive??

Cheers
Aussie

[DCFIREMANN]

Look carefully it is not a SAE corrected dyno run. Zippers uncorrected are just as high!

Be Safe

THE DAWG

[syclone]

AND.....Freedom wont give out the cam specs.....seems they're "SECRET"

[AUSSIE_FLSTFSE]

DC,
I did assume somthing along those lines just had to ask !

Cheers
Mike

[hd-dude]

Don't want to open a can of worms here as I am set to try the Redshift575 but had a quick peek at the freedom bolt in cam for the 103 & they boast 105hp & 113lbtq but with no specs or dyno sheet. Also costs a chitload more WTF!
Does anyone have them fitted??
Are they gear drive??

Cheers
Aussie

Here is a Freedom sheet with just the pipe, PCIII, and AC swap. The second sheet is the cam swap added ( both in STD)and the third is the same run as the second printed in SAE. The difference between SEA and STD dyno runs is minimal so don't base the decision on that. The important thing is that the before and after are both the same for a true comparison.



and SAE:




Freedom had Andrews make the cams to their specs. They are not a reboxed cam from S&S. They do not release specs because in Brad's opinion this is "proprietary" information. They do not want others copying them. These guys are old school drag racers where secrets are keep from others.

I'm not saying that the Freedom is any better or worse than the Zippers. I am just giving the facts. I myself have not decided which one that I will be going with.

[Twolanerider]

Nearly just had an incident in my Depends.  Was reading this as the phone rang and the caller ID said "IT'S ZIPPERS CALLING ABOUT YOUR CAMS!!  ANSWER THE FRIGGING PHONE!!"

Ok, that's not exactly what the caller ID displayed.  But it is what was in my head.  Tony at Zippers told me he'd just got off the phone with JR and tweaked his order with pushrods and other assorted goodies and that I was the next recipient of his very special phone calls.

Just walked out and told the bike too.  It got so happy that it dribbled a bit of something underneath itself and hopped up and down a couple of times spilling whatever was in the tour pak.  The radio came on all by itself.

There be cams out there !!

[DCFIREMANN]

Nearly just had an incident in my Depends.

[Fatboy]

Question: Why can Bob Woods, Zipper's, Andrews, Harley and every other known Cam Manufacturer I can think of post the spec's for their cams and Freedom can't?

 Every thing is "secret" with them hmmm makes me wonder..........and I don't buy into the drag racer mentality. We are not competiton to them or each other. Heck, they can't even post their own simple dyno sheets after 3-4 month's of promising them "anyday now".

 Did they clone a Cam like they cloned the Rinehart pipes and just by making a minute adjust gives them rights to call it "propreitory"? Seems like they are just upcharging someone else's work after they place their label on it.

 Sorry guys I don't mean to offend anyone but I'm not "drinking the Freedom Koolaid" any longer.

[AUSSIE_FLSTFSE]

Oops, I think I did open a can of worms!

We can put the lid back on that one now!

It's definately [highlight]ZIPPERS[/highlight] for me!


Cheers
Aussie

[syclone]

Question: Why can Bob Woods, Zipper's, Andrews, Harley and every other known Cam Manufacturer I can think of post the spec's for their cams and Freedom can't?

 Every thing is "secret" with them hmmm makes me wonder..........and I don't buy into the drag racer mentality. We are not competiton to them or each other. Heck, they can't even post their own simple dyno sheets after 3-4 month's of promising them "anyday now".

 Did they clone a Cam like they cloned the Rinehart pipes and just by making a minute adjust gives them rights to call it "propreitory"? Seems like they are just upcharging someone else's work after they place their label on it.

 Sorry guys I don't mean to offend anyone but I'm not "drinking the Freedom Koolaid" any longer.

Exactly what I was trying to say in my post.....guess I was still trying to be ...whats the word???  "polite ?"   Take a look at the Andrews 546G cam specs....would be a perfect drop in for our motors...the specs are as close as you can find to the screwed up ones on the SE253's ...and the difference would tend to change the curve in the same places as the "secret" Freedom cam.....I mean andrews cam.....no Freedom cam.......Andrews..   Whatever!!

[UK Dave]

Now that is a good one. A DRIBBLE?

Yeah it's what soccer players do before they shoot

Some people have another name for it though...

As in

"Do you dribble before you shoot?"

Cheers

Dave

[AUSSIE_FLSTFSE]

Yeah it's what soccer players do before they shoot

Some people have another name for it though...

As in

"Do you dribble before you shoot?"

Cheers

Dave

Before & after !

[Fatboy]

Exactly what I was trying to say in my post.....guess I was still trying to be ...whats the word???

[hd-dude]

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JMHO.....but I believe Freedom won't post their cam spec.'s because if they did we'd all buy the real mccoy directly from the manufacturer or elsewhere and save their upcharge's.
 Additionally, their secret Freedom Pipe setup is most likely a simple baffle change which anyone can do themselves to a set of Rinehart's. If their gig was that good wouldn't it stand to reason that Bub/Rinehart would alter their own offerings accordingly to keep pace...........hmmm?
 Ok ,I'm done venting!

[Fatboy]

HD-Dude,

 I not bashing anyone or their product!

 I'm simply stating the known facts as well as my opinions and questioning the Freedom way of doing business compared to how their competitor's do business. They have a right to operate as they choose even if it is considered out of the norm by some. And I have a right to voice my concern's. It would be nice if Freedom 1 could just get around to responding to the questions posed in his Vendor Thread which he has committed to month's ago. The lack of answer's is leaving me (as well as other's here) very skeptical.

 We don't have to agree on this topic and that's ok, I know they have many happy customer's.....so to each his own.

 But since you have experience here with both Rinehart's and Freedom Pipes what are the physical difference's you have noted to date?

 And can you please speculate further as to why Freedom Cycle has not been forthcoming with the information those here on the site have previously requested?

 Fatboy