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Toll road protest  in Virginia for bikes
« on: July 07, 2006, 06:07:26 PM »

Here is an article for a planned protest against tolls in Virginia for motorcycles,
http://www.bikerenews.com/Stories/TOLLS_PROTEST_RIDE.html
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Re: Toll road protest  in Virginia for bikes
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2006, 08:13:15 PM »

Good Luck with your quest...let us know the outcome.
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Re: Toll road protest  in Virginia for bikes
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2006, 08:46:58 PM »

I don't know exactly what device Virginia is planning on using but I don't thnk motorcycles will get a free bye.  Florida's Turnpike is a toll road and SunPass devices are available to whoever wants one.  Riders down here either attach them to the windshields of their bikes (suction cups--easily removeable at the destination) or wear them around their necks on a strap, or put them in the pockets of their jackets.  It's not exactly ideal but it sure beats stopping at toll plazas and fishing for money.
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Re: Toll road protest  in Virginia for bikes
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2006, 08:49:35 PM »

VA Eagle, I copied the link to share with our HOG chapter.  We get 10 - 30 emails a week about stuff I am barely interested in.  This would be just too much fun.  What do your think?

Pull up into the toll both.  Stop bike, put down kick stand.  Slowly get off bike. Remove chaps, fold up.  Open up saddle bag.  Find wallet.  Get $0.35 out, place in receptable.  Unroll chaps.  Put them back on.  Remount bike.  Ride forward only a little, cause you gotta wait for your partner.  Mmmmmm.  How many hundreds of bikes would it take to close the toll road down?  I wonder?  
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Re: Toll road protest  in Virginia for bikes
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2006, 09:37:09 PM »

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VA Eagle, I copied the link to share with our HOG chapter.  We get 10 - 30 emails a week about stuff I am barely interested in.  This would be just too much fun.  What do your think?

Pull up into the toll both.  Stop bike, put down kick stand.  Slowly get off bike. Remove chaps, fold up.  Open up saddle bag.  Find wallet.  Get $0.35 out, place in receptable.  Unroll chaps.  Put them back on.  Remount bike.  Ride forward only a little, cause you gotta wait for your partner.  Mmmmmm.  How many hundreds of bikes would it take to close the toll road down?  I wonder?  
Anarchy.  What a 'rebel'.........you gotta 'cause' now!   [smiley=end.gif] [smiley=givemebeer.gif] [smiley=soapbox.gif] har!  [smiley=huepfenlol2.gif] spyder
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Re: Toll road protest  in Virginia for bikes
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2006, 10:15:48 PM »

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Anarchy.  What a 'rebel'.........you gotta 'cause' now!   [smiley=end.gif] [smiley=givemebeer.gif] [smiley=soapbox.gif] har!  [smiley=huepfenlol2.gif] spyder

 :DI actually do have causes, none shared here.  [smiley=huepfenlol2.gif] And you would not want that either.   [smiley=nixweiss.gif]I am one of those that you always want on your side, and not on the other. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif] I don't do anything wrong of course, but in life...... I don't have to.   ;DKarma is what it is ............. and what goes around.... comes around.  
Does not need help.   [smiley=huepfenjump3.gif] [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif] [smiley=huepfenjump3.gif] [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif] ;D
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Re: Toll road protest  in Virginia for bikes
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2006, 10:34:40 PM »

OK, Mrs.We.......I'll be good.  You convienced me... [smiley=uneasy.gif].....I ain't messing with no 'karma' deal.....nooooooo, not spyder!  [smiley=disguise.gif] har!   [smiley=daisy.gif]
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Re: Toll road protest  in Virginia for bikes
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2006, 10:49:51 PM »

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 :DI actually do have causes, none shared here.  [smiley=huepfenlol2.gif] And you would not want that either.   [smiley=nixweiss.gif]I am one of those that you always want on your side, and not on the other. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif] I don't do anything wrong of course, but in life...... I don't have to.   ;DKarma is what it is ............. and what goes around.... comes around.  
Does not need help.   [smiley=huepfenjump3.gif] [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif] [smiley=huepfenjump3.gif] [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif] ;D


Hehehe!  Amen, sister!  Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned!  The Lord said, "Vengeance is mine," and then created WO-MAN!!  Take lots of photos and post back here.  You should see if you can send it to all the local HOG chapters as well as the WOW, Victory, Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki, Women Sportbike Riders, and the many other public forums.  I have a published list if you need it.  I could give you list of COC club emails too, but that'd be a little too dangerous.  Good Luck!!

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Re: Toll road protest  in Virginia for bikes
« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2006, 12:36:45 AM »

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Pull up into the toll both.  Stop bike, put down kick stand.  Slowly get off bike. Remove chaps, fold up.  Open up saddle bag.  Find wallet.  Get $0.35 out, place in receptable.  Unroll chaps.  Put them back on.  Remount bike.  Ride forward only a little, cause you gotta wait for your partner.  Mmmmmm.  How many hundreds of bikes would it take to close the toll road down?  I wonder?  

You gotta do that with enough bikes to occupy all the toll booths and operators. And do it at rush hour. Perhaps even tip the media, that way we all can see what happens!
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« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2006, 05:46:37 AM »

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You gotta do that with enough bikes to occupy all the toll booths and operators. And do it at rush hour. Perhaps even tip the media, that way we all can see what happens!

That is the plan - on the first Monday in October we are asking you to ride the toll road nearest you between 7:00 and 9:00 A.M.

We hope to have a minimum of 200 bikes gather and go through all booths at one of the toll roads here in Richmond enmasse.  If the weather is nice I bet we can get a lot more.  I mean, on any given Sunday we see 150-300 bikes show up for a charity ride, so it should not be to hard.  I know - people have jobs to get to, so they would have to either ride to work, with thier riding gear or take leave for part of their day, but it is a good cause, bikers riding for the rights of bikers.   Thanks VAEagle for sharing this.   :D
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Re: Toll road protest  in Virginia for bikes
« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2006, 10:25:02 AM »

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That is the plan - on the first Monday in October we hope to have a minimum of 200 bikes gather and go through all booths at one of the toll roads here in Richmond enmasse.

It sounds great to me.

One thing to keep in mind. Now that this plan in on the internet, and the local media will be notified, be prepared for the possibility of being met by the police at either your staging location, or at the toll booths.. It is an opportunity for them to "check your pipes, lights, mirrors" and issue safety citations. There is also the remote possibilty of arrests, and the seizure of motorcycles due to some overlooked law such as willful obstuction with the intent to delay, thereby affecting state commerece, or some other cock-a-mammy reason. Perhap you should appoint some sort of spokes person to take the lead in addressing these matters should they arrive.

I'm not trying to throw a wrench into your plan, I just want you guys to know what MAY happen.

Good luck, God Bless, and God Speed.
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Re: Toll road protest  in Virginia for bikes
« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2006, 12:14:53 PM »

Good thoughts everyone. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]
For those who don't know ,the originator of the idea is a Lawyer that fights for motorcycleists rights. I'm sure he will be on scene and represent anyone who needs his help.
I don't see where it would be a problem as long as the bikers just do what they would normally at a toll booth which is stop in a safe manner and pay the toll then proceed in a safe manner. 8-)
The problem with toll roads is the safety factor for bikes.Gotta worry about slipping on the oily pavement and of course inatentave car drivers who don't realize you have to stop and they run into you.Then lane changes for everyone depending on if you have an easy pass or not.
Also many bikes can't easily mount the easy pass device. You can also have out of town riders or those who very seldom ride a toll road and they don't have the device or is the device usable in all states that have tolls? How would you know until you were in the wrong lane and it didn't register?
All of these problems and more so the state can get $.35?
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« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2006, 02:01:23 PM »

You guys do what you want but I see this as a "pick your battles" sort of thing:

Like I said earlier, riders in Florida use the Florida Turnpike every day and nearly every one of them is aware of the Sunpass (about the size of a pack of cigarettes) and it's just not a problem.  They breeze right through without stopping, as do a lot of 4-wheel vehicles.

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I know - people have jobs to get to, ...

That's right.  Most if not all of the vehicles you'll be delaying have schedules of some sort to keep.  Ask yourself this:  Will this demonstration make them say "Yes, motorcycles should get to ride on this road for free"., or "Those blasted motorcycles want something for free that I have to pay for and they're clogging up traffic because of it".  I mean, do you think this will put motorcycling in a positive light or negative to most of the public?  Don't care?  You should, because they vastly outnumber us as lobbyists, voters and citizens.

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For those who don't know ,the originator of the idea is a Lawyer that fights for motorcycleists rights. I'm sure he will be on scene and represent anyone who needs his help.

I would suggest that the lawyer be employed to find a constructive solution with the DOT, perhaps through technology, to provide motorcycles a safe and expedient way to comply with the toll.

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The problem with toll roads is the safety factor for bikes.  Gotta worry about slipping on the oily pavement and of course inatentave car drivers who don't realize you have to stop and they run into you.Then lane changes for everyone depending on if you have an easy pass or not.

Yes, it can be dangerous for bikes to stop at a toll booth.  Here's where political activism, lobbying and suggesting technology comes in so you don't have to stop.  As far as the scramble for lanes after paying, cars have been dealing with that for years, and it's not great for them, either.  But stop to pay a toll or not, even the pre-paid lanes have to merge with the accelerating and merging traffic on the exit side of a toll plaza.
  
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Also many bikes can't easily mount the easy pass device.

Riders in Florida have gotten creative where necessary and the ones that I know simply don't see it as a problem.  There are ways to do it and it beats the heck out of stopping at a toll plaza.

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You can also have out of town riders or those who very seldom ride a toll road and they don't have the device or is the device usable in all states that have tolls? How would you know until you were in the wrong lane and it didn't register?

Probably more out-of-staters use the Florda Turnpike than residents so they stop at the plazas.  Just like with any travel plans, if a rider was planning on using the toll road, down here, anyway, Sunpasses are available all over the place.  At the beginning and end of the toll road, there is a major plaza that sells them for use along the entire length.  But if rider has to stop at a toll plaza, then yes, as in 100% of the time on the road, it's up to that rider to decelerate gently, make sure they're balanced when the stop, observe the road surface, etc.  I think we all know how careful we must be out there.

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All of these problems and more so the state can get $.35?

All those pissed-off people in cars I mentioned?  As they sit in your traffic jam they're going to be saying "All of these problems and more so the bikers can get out of paying $.35."

Look, I ride and I agree that toll plazas aren't my favorite places either.  But as I read this thread, it seems to me like the activism here is heading in the wrong direction.  Riders use the electronic pre-paid devices down here with little or no problem.  If Virginia is adopting something that's not rider-friendly then present yourselves to the DOT or whoever and argue your case.  Pissing off a whole bunch of non-riders and maybe involving the local police to handle a traffic jam isn't the way to get positive result, IMO.

I'm probably in the minority here so let me re-emphasize: This is all IMO.  :)
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Re: Toll road protest  in Virginia for bikes
« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2006, 02:15:16 PM »

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You guys do what you want but I see this as a "pick your battles" sort of thing:...
 

I was watching this thread, and just keeping my thoughts to myself, as I seemd to be in the extream minority. However now that RedFXR2 has spoken up, I don't feel like the only one. Though I agree that all the issues posted earlier do need attention, I think "closing down" toll roads on Monday morning rush hours is the wrong type of attention. This is the type of negative stereotype "biker" behavior that we have all worked to overcome. Bike nights, bike weeks and bike events are being closed and cancelled because of this negative stereotype.

I urge you to use your considerable ability to organize and inform to ensure this event DOES NOT take place and that your concerns are delt with in a positive manner. I am sure you can accomlish your goals with the same class and respect that you and many others have brought to motorcycling.

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« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2006, 05:34:48 PM »

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I was watching this thread, and just keeping my thoughts to myself, as I seemd to be in the extream minority. However now that RedFXR2 has spoken up, I don't feel like the only one. Though I agree that all the issues posted earlier do need attention, I think "closing down" toll roads on Monday morning rush hours is the wrong type of attention. This is the type of negative stereotype "biker" behavior that we have all worked to overcome. Bike nights, bike weeks and bike events are being closed and cancelled because of this negative stereotype.

I urge you to use your considerable ability to organize and inform to ensure this event DOES NOT take place and that your concerns are delt with in a positive manner. I am sure you can accomlish your goals with the same class and respect that you and many others have brought to motorcycling.


Yeah, Man, I've ridden over that James River Bridge many, many times.  Last time was in the mid 70's.  Toll was .90 then, I believe.  Some good points posted concerning this issue, but I would advise a little less hostile approach.  Ever heard of "Obstructing Traffic?"  Having had experience with fighting City Hall, it's best to fight your Battles there.  Research info on how many bikes enter the toll everyday, how much revenue is generated by those tolls, how many Bikes are registered in the immediate area, how many Bikes are registered in the State, how many crashes involving Motorcycles and Cages, have occured at each Toll Booth, etc.  Then suck up to one of the Politicians, and let him take credit for suggesting the construction of the New "Motorcycles Only" toll booth.  Emphasize the "Safety Factor."  Don't forget to lobby for reduced tolls for Motorcycles, too.  Plan your work, and work your plan.  Politicians don't see you as people, when you walk through those Capitol doors.  They only see votes.  More people, more votes.  Twolane, would be a great source for strategy, and orginization for you guys.  I wouldn't even attempt a Political battle, of any kind, without his advice.  There endeth the lesson.  Later--HUBBARD
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