Jerry,
You, glens, deweysheads, and Fullsac Jim are among the posters on this site that I respect most and feel are the most knowledgeable and trustworthy. But I'm compelled to call you on your post here.
1) Asking which is the best motor oil or what is the best muffler is beating a dead horse. 2dgcrew asked about the Cobra Powrpro, which is a pretty new product. As far as I can tell, no one else on this forum is using one, and there are only a couple threads about it. 2dgcrew has every reason to ask for more info on a product he's looking at, and you gave him zero info, except a sarcastic criticism of his legitimate question. This seems really out of character for you.
2) "As for folks who admit they don't know much about tuning devices or tuning in general, I have to wonder why it is that when they ask questions of those who actually do know a bit about the subject, and the answers don't match up with the advertising on the product, they blow off the folks who bothered to try to answer their questions honestly."
a) I did answer 2dgcrew's query 100% honestly. If you had said "I tried the Powrpro and it's a piece of chit" or "I know people who've tried it, and it doesn't work" or "Group X tested the Powrpro, and the results show it doesn't stack up to other controllers", I respect your knowledge and experience enough that I'd probably throw it in the garbage (or never would've bought it in the first place), and get a TTS. But your argument ends up basically being "I don't trust the marketing strategy" and "It's not complicated enough" without any first hand experience, or even second hand anecdotal information. You may very well be correct, but my personal experience with the Powrpro conflicts with your opinion of it. So be it.
b) No one has "blown you off". On this site you give your opinion, and people will use it, or do something else. It's not personal, and no one who gives advice here has any business being offended if someone chooses another option.
c) I respect and admire your thoroughness and dedication to small details, but in the real world, 90% of riders are going to do a Stage I upgrade with a canned map and no dyno tune, or maybe cams, pistons and one dyno tune, and ride happily until they trade up to their next bike. In that scenario, the Powrpro is just as good as any other option on the market. It's not settling for less.
3) "My advice to those who prefer to believe in magic and the claims of some advertising copy writer, don't waste time reading this thread,..."
a) Now you're moving into the murky waters of personal attacks and false assumptions. Get this straight. I don't believe in magic, religion, superstition, politicians, spirits, fortune telling, palm reading, testimonials, or ESPECIALLY ADVERTISING. They are all con games designed to separate people from our money and to manipulate and control our thoughts and actions. I chose to try the Powrpro because it's a new product that made sense for me IF it worked as claimed, but I also thought that it sounded too good to be true. As I've said over and over, I am very skeptical that it will live up to the hype. I bought it as much out of curiosity as anything.
b) We need to be able to have open and constructive discussions about new products. To insinuate that only an ignorant gullible rube would try this product (or any other new product) is insulting and condescending. Those attitudes only serve to suppress debate and the exchange of ideas here.
4) "When you decide four months from now that you need to adjust your idle or eliminate a decel pop, or adjust your speedometer due to a gearing change, or adjust the electronic throttle control response curve, or one of the many other things that come up all the time, please don't ask us how to fix it with your Cobra. You can't. Keep that credit card handy, you'll need it to buy something else."
Damn. You're kidding, right? I read about guys trying several different fuel controllers, ecms, cams, and pipes all the time here on CVOHarley, because they're not happy with the results. Why is this any different? You're saying it's okay to spend $400 each on multiple dyno tunes every time you do engine work, or spend $400 on a dyno tune to get 1 or 2 HP, but spend $500 on a new Powrpro and we're stupid, gullible assholes? Give me a break.
I like to pay cash for any work I have done. I don't generally put bike upgrades on credit, and the Powrpro, so far, has been a reasonable solution/compromise that lets me do upgrades when it's convenient for me. I wish I could do all the work myself, and do it all at once, but I don't have the time or equipment. Besides, I'm going to ride, not waste my weekends taking care of chit that the bean counters at HD cut corners on.
And let's be totally honest here. If we wanted boring, reliable, cheap transportation, we would have bought Honda Shadows, not Harleys. The average CVO owner probably drops thousands of dollars extra to personalize their bike. If that makes them happy, more power to them. If your happiness depends on farting around with the electronic throttle control response curve, fine. I'm glad you're able to do that and are willing to share your information, you're a great resource. But berating and dismissing 2dgcrew's legitimate question, and my honest responses, only serves to undermine the purpose of this forum.
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