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[Twism_23]

I am changing my cam and exhaust, possibly having heads milled as well. My challenge is whether to bring my bike to my local HD dealer and having them tune it on their dyno using my SEPST or to buy a Power Vision from FuelMoto and use the FuelMoto  tune. My cam  miss a Wood cam so I know fuelmoto would lhave experience with it. The reason I am leery of using the HD dyno is their dyno specialist doesn't work for them year round, he works in the spring, summer and fall and is a diesel mechanic the rest of the time. He has been doing for them for 12 years, so he does have experience I suppose. I do believe that a true dyno should gibe me a tune more appropriate for my bike. Thoughts, thanks.

[Fired00d]

If you have any questions/concerns about the person that will do the dyno tune on your bike then most definitely look at other methods to achieve your goal.... IE: another tuning device or another dyno tuner.... enough said.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[05Train]

Fuel Moto's maps are very good, as they're developed on their dyne.  Use their map and do a couple of tuning runs and you'll be good to go.

[Steve Cole]

While it would be great to buy another tuner/programmer to do the job, you already own one. Check around and see if you can talk with people who have had there bikes tuned by your local dealer. If there happy then use them, if not look elsewhere. Just because the tuner works on things other than HD only gives him more experience at a minim but that still doesn't make him a good or bad tuner.

[Twism_23]

Thanks for input. The SEPST I have came with the bike when I bought it used and the original owner was kind enough to send it and I'm am assuming it works. It is one of black ones that will have to be updated. I am not worried about having to buy a power vision if it's the best option either. The main thing that concerned me was when I asked how long a tune usually takes they said he's usually done within 2 hours. I thought that quick, but I may be off in my assumption.

[hrdtail78]

Can maps are good for starting.  It gets you in the ball park only.  I have never used one from anybody on any tuner that was good to go right out of the box.  Way to many variables.  A base map created for your cam is great.  Does it have your exhaust, intake, compression, injectors?

If you do decide to go that route.  I would learn how to use the Vision and at least map the VE's to your combo.

[Twism_23]

I used FuelMoto for my last bike when I had a PC5. Yes you give them all the specifications you stated as they have from what I understand the most extensive set of maps around. If I go the Power Vision route I do plan on learning how to use it. I may give the HD tuner a shot 1st, still trying to figure out direction to go. Thanks for the input.   

[Steve Cole]

I used FuelMoto for my last bike when I had a PC5. Yes you give them all the specifications you stated as they have from what I understand the most extensive set of maps around. If I go the Power Vision route I do plan on learning how to use it. I may give the HD tuner a shot 1st, still trying to figure out direction to go. Thanks for the input.   

Lots of advertising hype in those statements. Lots of canned calibrations is just that.... lots of starting points. There are plenty of people with lots of can calibrations and since they (Fuelmoto) are one of the newest people using a true programming system I would venture to say they are not nearly as versed as many others are. Do what's best for you is the best advise we can give you but do not believe everything you hear said.

[WildWes72]

I went with a fuel Moto PV and autotune and had my local dealer install the unit. They stated they can't keep the front tire down. They never installed a Fuel Moto unit and was truly impressed. They also contacted Fuel Moto on a few questions and they expressed how awesome the customer service was. They gave me a 10% discount for the contact info on the install.

Maybe that will help you out, but I still would like to see the dyno numbers for myself.


 

[SBB]

I went with a fuel Moto PV and autotune and had my local dealer install the unit. They stated they can't keep the front tire down. They never installed a Fuel Moto unit and was truly impressed. They also contacted Fuel Moto on a few questions and they expressed how awesome the customer service was. They gave me a 10% discount for the contact info on the install.

Maybe that will help you out, but I still would like to see the dyno numbers for myself.


 

Wes, not to burst your fantasy but do you really believe what your dealer told you,

I went with a fuel Moto PV and autotune and had my local dealer install the unit. They stated they can't keep the front tire down.

SBB

[old_dirt]

I think I would stay with the SEPST.  Just because you already own it.  NO tune, from someone else is going to match your bike as one made for your bike.  If you think you can dump in a 'map' from FM and call it a day, you are kind of mistaken.  Yes... it would work, but might not work any better that that 2 hr tune from dude.

If...  OTOH, you can talk yourself into a little DIY tuning?  You would be way ahead of the game if you learned a bit of this for yourself...  I don't imagine there is a whole lotta choices for you within a few hundred miles, so maybe learn it yourself and you would no longer have to worry about it.

[johnsachs]

Don't care nothing about wheels in the air, smoke pouring off the rear tire, or bike getting sideways at the hit.
Steve Cole said it best on the "TTS THREAD", "The best you know is the best you had"   . Pay the money, and use a COMPETENT dyno tuner to map your combo. It's worth it in the long run. Ain't NO corner cutting.  
John

[Twism_23]

@jiohnsachs Where do you get the idea I am trying to cut corners or money is an issue? The original post states I am trying to make a decision because I don't know that there is a competent tuner in my area. There is only 1 tuner and it isn't his full time job, that's my conundrum. Buying a Power Vision when I already have a SEPST isn't saving me any money, I am just looking for a possible solution.
@old dirt I appreciate the thoughts. I figured if I did go the power vision direction, it may force me to do a little tuning like you suggest. You are exactly right when you talk about a lack of options close to me. The only tuner is the HD dealer's but as I stated in an earlier post it's not his full time gig. I haven't ruled against him, but I do need more info. They don't start open their dyno until March so I have time. Thanks

[johnsachs]

@jiohnsachs Where do you get the idea I am trying to cut corners or money is an issue? The original post states I am trying to make a decision because I don't know that there is a competent tuner in my area. There is only 1 tuner and it isn't his full time job, that's my conundrum. Buying a Power Vision when I already have a SEPST isn't saving me any money, I am just looking for a possible solution.
@old dirt I appreciate the thoughts. I figured if I did go the power vision direction, it may force me to do a little tuning like you suggest. You are exactly right when you talk about a lack of options close to me. The only tuner is the HD dealer's but as I stated in an earlier post it's not his full time gig. I haven't ruled against him, but I do need more info. They don't start open their dyno until March so I have time. Thanks

Easy Sport,  
I'm reaching out to all that may be concerned on having/getting a GREAT/PROPER tune.
If there's no one in your area, then try to find someone in another area that can get the job done.
Also, there's nothing wrong with being familiar with the system.
John

[FlaHeatWave]

I am changing my cam and exhaust, possibly having heads milled as well. My challenge is whether to bring my bike to my local HD dealer and having them tune it on their dyno using my SEPST or to buy a Power Vision from FuelMoto and use the FuelMoto  tune. My cam  miss a Wood cam so I know fuelmoto would lhave experience with it. The reason I am leery of using the HD dyno is their dyno specialist doesn't work for them year round, he works in the spring, summer and fall and is a diesel mechanic the rest of the time. He has been doing for them for 12 years, so he does have experience I suppose. I do believe that a true dyno should gibe me a tune more appropriate for my bike. Thoughts, thanks.

I'm going with the PC-V / Auto tune for some of the same reasons you are looking at the PV, no really good tuner for >200mi. here, and I'm out of the dyno business, going to run in closed loop, and if / when I make any component changes to the bike, all I have to do is ride the bike. The PC - V /Auto has some quirks, but I am going to get a small laptop / pad and learn to work with it.
I travel across the continent on the '09 SERG and have a lot of variable conditions that the bike has to deal with, and the tune that somebody does down here in FLA (although it might be perfect here) might not be so perfect at Beartooth Pass...