Post by: cyco1450 on November 14, 2017, 10:20:56 AM
Post by: iski on November 14, 2017, 11:21:51 AM
Somebody at the HD mothership knows what's in store for 2019. Guesses here get better towards spring/summer, usually, when stuff begins to hit production planning.
Post by: cyco1450 on November 14, 2017, 01:02:03 PM
Post by: bigC on November 14, 2017, 01:12:11 PM
Post by: DesertHOG on November 14, 2017, 03:44:19 PM
Post by: Grizzly on November 14, 2017, 03:47:02 PM
Post by: ultrafxr on November 14, 2017, 04:32:28 PM
2019 CVO Road Glide Ultra will MSRP at $48,199. Some dealers will add "Market Premium" of $4000 due to limited production. Making the FLTRUSE the first production HD to list over $50k before PDI, Freight and Doc Fees.Simon, you beat me to it. I can most assuredly predict that the 2019s will have a higher price - $50k don't know but sure as heck closing in on it.
Post by: DesertHOG on November 14, 2017, 05:55:01 PM
With any luck they will get back to having creative paint schemes, with all due respect to those who have purchased a 2018... Paint schemes this year were lacking excitement IMHO.
The Dark Horse look will continue in 2019 to the chagrin of greybeard riders. Demo for CVO buyers will become younger.
Post by: fastfreddy on November 14, 2017, 06:34:38 PM
2019 CVO Road Glide Ultra will MSRP at $48,199. Some dealers will add "Market Premium" of $4000 due to limited production. Making the FLTRUSE the first production HD to list over $50k before PDI, Freight and Doc Fees.NS!!! thats exactly what i want...may have to get rid of a couple of girl friends at that price tho.... im gona miss them
Post by: WTF Chuck on November 14, 2017, 07:38:16 PM
Post by: Powergod on November 14, 2017, 08:01:05 PM
Post by: SDCVO on November 14, 2017, 11:12:02 PM
Perhaps a new frame and updated suspension?Hoping for a rear mono shock..
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on November 15, 2017, 06:24:16 AM
Post by: muddypaws on November 15, 2017, 07:30:58 AM
Post by: mark on November 15, 2017, 03:23:04 PM
Post by: 4fun on November 15, 2017, 07:25:02 PM
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Post by: Twolanerider on November 15, 2017, 07:41:33 PM
With an LS3.
Post by: iski on November 15, 2017, 10:50:31 PM
I think the MoCo should look back to 1903 & reintroduce the very first model HD. Then each year after that, they could reintroduce a older model bike. Other than the EPA, California, NHTSA, & laws in all 50 states regarding motor vehicle equipment it's not a bad idea - never gonna happen.
Post by: ultrarider123 on November 16, 2017, 07:22:37 AM
CVO Servicar.
Yes-sir-ree-bob (or Don), we have a weiner.....
Post by: skorch on November 16, 2017, 07:23:09 AM
Post by: YELLOWBIRD on November 16, 2017, 08:00:32 AM
$50K Price tag, Same Crappy Lifters, Guaranteed Crank runout, Updated model number for the same lousy Oil Pump, with even stricter warrantee work guidelines, and MoCo reps will promise to tell you "we never seen this before" along with "They all do that".
:o :nervous: :'( :huepfenlol2: :huepfenjump3: :drummer:
YB
Post by: rjorgens on November 19, 2017, 09:59:54 PM
With any luck they will get back to having creative paint schemes, with all due respect to those who have purchased a 2018... Paint schemes this year were lacking excitement IMHO.Ain't that the truth. Paint schemes that are worse than the standard at least on the SG and RG. But they still jacked the price $3K. It used to be that the paint was one of the added value features of the CVO. I was really anticipating the 2018 CVO Street Glide and was planning on buying but am really disappointed in what the MOCO put out. I got so desperate I looked at other brands. Should have bought one of these Indians. They only made 340 of them and they were only $32K. If they'd have made it in blue I'd have pulled the trigger. Maybe 2019 will be better.
Post by: muddypaws on November 20, 2017, 07:39:04 AM
Post by: Swbike on November 20, 2017, 07:13:28 PM
Post by: fastfreddy on November 20, 2017, 07:31:53 PM
I was going to buy a new CVO Road Glide this year. After owing a 2016 CVO Road Glide everything in 2018 is major step backwards! Very disappointed in the CVO touring line this year. I agree Harley needs to appeal to the younger rider but $43000.00 for no chrome, no heated seat or grips, no water cooled, no CB, no tour pack or luggage rack, no lowers or vents, and decals for stripes. Are they kidding me. They took away 1/3 of the bike and raised the price. Harley is being run by bean counters and there stock price and not real world. If they want to appeal to a new buyer the need a lot more change than there willing to do and also still have certain models for there veteran customers. Just sayinthe 19s are coming and every thing will be better
Post by: Twolanerider on November 20, 2017, 08:32:39 PM
the 19s are coming and every thing will be better
That's what Jon Snow said about the Winter.
Post by: phato1 on November 20, 2017, 08:38:24 PM
CVO Servicar.
With an LS3.
Unlike the most recent Motor Company offerings, that would interest me. I'd be afraid to ask what the Harley version of MSRP might be on that on though considering the price of the '18 CVO models ::)
Post by: Swbike on November 20, 2017, 09:02:09 PM
Post by: groupw on November 30, 2017, 10:03:14 PM
2019 CVO Road Glide Ultra will MSRP at $48,199.
....... for that kind of money, it better come in my choice of color 8)
Post by: Scott7d on December 12, 2017, 09:39:21 AM
Ain't that the truth. Paint schemes that are worse than the standard at least on the SG and RG. But they still jacked the price $3K. It used to be that the paint was one of the added value features of the CVO. I was really anticipating the 2018 CVO Street Glide and was planning on buying but am really disappointed in what the MOCO put out. I got so desperate I looked at other brands. Should have bought one of these Indians. They only made 340 of them and they were only $32K. If they'd have made it in blue I'd have pulled the trigger. Maybe 2019 will be better.
That Indian reminds me of the red 2013 CVO King, which has my favorite CVO paint of all time.
Post by: bbrown on December 12, 2017, 12:13:40 PM
With any luck they will get back to having creative paint schemes, with all due respect to those who have purchased a 2018... Paint schemes this year were lacking excitement IMHO.
Well said
Post by: Yellow09SERG on December 13, 2017, 07:24:22 PM
....... for that kind of money, it better come in my choice of color 8)
And match as a 10 year anniversary model of the 09....
Post by: bbrown on December 25, 2017, 09:55:39 AM
Post by: CVCVORG on January 21, 2018, 09:29:54 PM
And where the prices will settle out at.
Will be curious to see how many of 18 CVO’s will be produced.
Post by: LMH on January 23, 2018, 05:02:02 PM
JMO
Oh and i love my Red Fade CVO limited and i have added additional black to mine. For my way of thinking chrome is supposed to be an accent not a color.
Post by: Grizzly on January 23, 2018, 06:56:38 PM
I can tell you the 2018's are already coming in over 50K with extended warranty and tax and license here in California. Now i understand as the year progresses the prices will come down some but my bike started at 57K early in the model year and after 3 months of "negotiating" and them paying flooring on the bike they finally let it go at 50K out the door with all the extended warranties (tires,wheels,paint, battery) tax and license . And in my opinion unless something great happens with the economy i don't see how they are going to be able to sell motorcycles north of 50K . So they can lessen production by a bunch .
JMO
Oh and i love my Red Fade CVO limited and i have added additional black to mine. For my way of thinking chrome is supposed to be an accent not a color.
Why not show off your additions with some pics? ;D
Post by: LMH on January 24, 2018, 07:56:07 AM
Why not show off your additions with some pics? ;D
Tried.. Not very good with taking pics or computers . Can't figure out how to attach them etc..
Post by: bbrown on March 23, 2018, 03:32:20 PM
Post by: Grizzly on March 23, 2018, 07:44:53 PM
No doubt they're over that now and planning on some new and exciting colour schemes for the 19's.
At least I hope so. :nervous:
Post by: Sea Biscuit on March 25, 2018, 11:12:57 PM
Harley trying to keep Indian/competition on their toes! :)
But all rumours at this stage...sort of! ;)
But I still love my "Skunk"!
Post by: TN on March 26, 2018, 09:08:57 AM
2019 CVO model.....
$50K Price tag, Same Crappy Lifters, Guaranteed Crank runout, Updated model number for the same lousy Oil Pump, with even stricter warrantee work guidelines, and MoCo reps will promise to tell you "we never seen this before" along with "They all do that".
:o :nervous: :'( :huepfenlol2: :huepfenjump3: :drummer:
YB
Yep to all the above, the MSRP north of 50k will be justified by the frame change and other things that are antiquated but updated by HD. "Oh, we'll get back with ya on that." :pineapple:
I'm waiting on the CVO livewire :drink:
TN
Post by: Bav on March 26, 2018, 09:11:16 AM
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Post by: iski on March 26, 2018, 10:34:01 AM
Post by: charles05663 on March 26, 2018, 10:42:13 AM
2019, the Harley electric. The AC/DC bikes.
Sense they have a tendency to screw things up it might be called DC/AC.
:oops: :nixweiss:
Post by: iski on March 26, 2018, 11:33:20 AM
Sense they have a tendency to screw things up it might be called DC/AC.
:oops: :nixweiss:
The market is wide open for leaky MC battery technologies.
Post by: bbrown on March 27, 2018, 04:30:43 PM
Post by: yobtaf103 on April 01, 2018, 07:24:50 PM
The market is wide open for leaky MC battery technologies.
but they'll probably just AD/CC ;)
Post by: happyman on April 22, 2018, 12:30:14 PM
2019 CVO Road Glide Ultra will MSRP at $48,199. Some dealers will add "Market Premium" of $4000 due to limited production. Making the FLTRUSE the first production HD to list over $50k before PDI, Freight and Doc Fees.they are already way overpriced for what you get. and this is exactly why the motorcycle industry is in hard time. or one big reason.
Post by: Twolanerider on April 22, 2018, 12:38:19 PM
Post by: happyman on April 22, 2018, 12:41:57 PM
2019 CVO Road Glide Ultra will MSRP at $48,199. Some dealers will add "Market Premium" of $4000 due to limited production. Making the FLTRUSE the first production HD to list over $50k before PDI, Freight and Doc Fees.
Post by: ZVO on April 23, 2018, 11:21:24 PM
Post by: davidw221 on May 09, 2018, 09:05:55 PM
The Dark Horse look will continue in 2019 to the chagrin of greybeard riders. Demo for CVO buyers will become younger.
I think ya'll are barking up a dead horses arsh, Harley sales are declining, their ridership is getting older, and their bikes are becoming out of reach for the average individual rider. Just the other day I was with several friends who have been riding for years, make comments about Harley having a 12 and 12 warranty. We all are looking at our next bikes to be the Honda goldwing, they have a 5 year 50K bumper to bumper warranty, fully loaded and they ride nice. 28K OTD! I love my 2009 CVO, but I'm going to have to think about going elsewhere when it's time to buy a new ride!
Did I mention 28K OTD? 50K for a CVO?
Post by: RivRaptor on May 10, 2018, 01:47:45 AM
Post by: harleychef2011 on May 10, 2018, 06:01:06 PM
I realize it is quite early, but does anyone have any REASONABLE intel or belief of what bikes will be CVO for 2019?....I ask because I am contemplating buying a 2018 RK Special an
d putting a 114 kit in it. if there is any chance of a CVO RK for 2019, I may wait for it...
I'm TOTALLY with you on this one. Love my '14 CVO RK....haven't been tempted yet (mostly). I'm hoping for a '19 CVO!!
And as far as pricing... I doubt they would be dumb enough to "raise" prices....with slumping sales and stock pricing...they have to drive purchase, not profit.
Should be an interesting year.... :P
Post by: Icewater on May 10, 2018, 07:36:12 PM
The Dark Horse look will continue in 2019 to the chagrin of greybeard riders. Demo for CVO buyers will become younger.I know that's what they are betting on but I think its a mistake to write off the free marketing they get from us. In the few hundred miles I've gotten to put on mine I've come back to it at stops to find young people admiring it and asking about it or giving compliments. We are the dark side and we like horsepower, chrome and can you see me now paint jobs. Decals are for knock offs. Right now I'd rather have my '12 and a '13 in my garage than a new one. Wife wants a toy hauler though so the '13 may wait awhile.
Post by: bbrown on June 02, 2018, 08:07:17 PM
SH_ _ ......SORRY I JUST WOKE UP.....IT WAS A DREAM....
Post by: pcpisano on June 03, 2018, 03:30:23 AM
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Post by: Twolanerider on June 03, 2018, 10:14:11 PM
You had me going there... I started think about trading my 17 CVO for a 19... I’ve been a HD guy since 1980, I’m older, but have a few good riding years left, but with all the probs the 17 are having, I’m afraid to go beyond a 50 mile radius... why did I buy a 17? Blind loyalty—totally stupid, and like a lot of folk, I would hit the “redo” button without hesitation. Karer
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With the exception of the trikes all the 2019 models will support a binary wheel system. Straight from the pool boy.
Post by: iski on June 03, 2018, 10:42:30 PM
Post by: Rooster on June 04, 2018, 12:46:37 PM
Post by: iski on June 04, 2018, 03:04:37 PM
I heard the Pool Boy bought a BMW ;D The reason we haven't heard from him.
Now that's funny! ;D
Post by: happyman on June 04, 2018, 06:14:43 PM
You had me going there... I started think about trading my 17 CVO for a 19... I’ve been a HD guy since 1980, I’m older, but have a few good riding years left, but with all the probs the 17 are having, I’m afraid to go beyond a 50 mile radius... why did I buy a 17? Blind loyalty—totally stupid, and like a lot of folk, I would hit the “redo” button without hesitation. Karer
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is your 17 having sumping issues, or motor replacements ?
Post by: bbrown on June 22, 2018, 09:35:33 AM
Post by: guppytrash on June 22, 2018, 10:32:15 AM
On day 31 you are on your own.
HD number crunchers are saying this is going to improve profits by nearly 85%.
There will be a third party extended warranty available from the same guy in India who helps fix your computer.
:huepfenlol2:I think his name is George Washington, maybe it was Abraham Lincoln,
I could never really understand a word he said. :huepfenlol2:
Post by: ultrarider123 on June 22, 2018, 10:52:35 AM
Anyone know the location and dates for the 2019 dealer meeting?
Looks like.....San Diego, CA...the state that's like a bowl of cereal....Whatever isn't fruits and nuts is flakes.
Harley-Davidson Annual Dealer Meeting
San Diego convention center
Monday, August 20, 2018 to Thursday, August 23, 2018
Post by: iski on June 22, 2018, 11:05:10 AM
Pool Boy's cousin says the new 2019 Harley models will be called "Sumpers" as a part of their 100 new models rollout. UltraSumper, (also an Unlimited version), Road Sumper, Street Sumper, SumperKing, Heritage SoftSumper, and an all new model, Sumpin' Sumpster . CVO versions of the CVO Sumper Unlimited, CVO Street Sumper, & CVO Road Sumper will start at $50k & will have an extra oil pump in the right saddlebag.
Post by: happyman on June 22, 2018, 11:45:33 AM
Was just about to post the San Diego information. :2vrolijk_21:Maybe a pump that does the job, and updated cases in the other saddle bag
Pool Boy's cousin says the new 2019 Harley models will be called "Sumpers" as a part of their 100 new models rollout. UltraSumper, (also an Unlimited version), Road Sumper, Street Sumper, SumperKing, Heritage SoftSumper, and an all new model, Sumpin' Sumpster . CVO versions of the CVO Sumper Unlimited, CVO Street Sumper, & CVO Road Sumper will start at $50k & will have an extra oil pump in the right saddlebag.
Post by: iski on June 22, 2018, 02:03:32 PM
Maybe a pump that does the job, and updated cases in the other saddle bag
And a Leatherman tool to install them, for $495 extra.
Post by: happyman on June 22, 2018, 06:07:26 PM
And a Leatherman tool to install them, for $495 extra.
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Post by: bbrown on June 27, 2018, 05:04:29 AM
Dealer meeting 8/20-8/23. San Diego,CA
Post by: Bav on June 27, 2018, 05:07:24 AM
Perhaps they will all considerably reduce in price? and be made in India!
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Post by: yobtaf103 on June 27, 2018, 09:47:00 AM
Post by: bigchuck on June 27, 2018, 01:27:52 PM
Only a little more than 7 weeks till we see the new ones . Hoping for a better colors, reliability and prices
Dealer meeting 8/20-8/23. San Diego,CA
The three items on your wish list are available now. Just not from Harley and haven't been for a long time. So good luck with what you are looking for but I'm afraid if you want those things you will have to look at other manufactures. One of the reasons that Harley sales are down is the fact that Harley loyalist are leaving the market and the Haley product is inferior to other options and until the Moco figures this out everyone loses.
Post by: guppytrash on June 28, 2018, 06:48:31 AM
The three items on your wish list are available now. Just not from Harley and haven't been for a long time. So good luck with what you are looking for but I'm afraid if you want those things you will have to look at other manufactures. One of the reasons that Harley sales are down is the fact that Harley loyalist are leaving the market and the Haley product is inferior to other options and until the Moco figures this out everyone loses.
It is a bummer that this is so accurate.
Post by: happyman on June 28, 2018, 10:50:32 AM
The three items on your wish list are available now. Just not from Harley and haven't been for a long time. So good luck with what you are looking for but I'm afraid if you want those things you will have to look at other manufactures. One of the reasons that Harley sales are down is the fact that Harley loyalist are leaving the market and the Haley product is inferior to other options and until the Moco figures this out everyone loses.the way things are last couple years with the HD product issues, repeated with no permanent fix, you can bet people are going to brands that you can ride trouble free and maybe get a fix if something goes wrong.
Post by: Twolanerider on June 30, 2018, 10:14:18 PM
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Post by: spydglide on June 30, 2018, 10:38:48 PM
Post by: mark on July 01, 2018, 11:59:28 AM
Only a little more than 7 weeks till we see the new ones . Hoping for a better colors, reliability and prices
Dealer meeting 8/20-8/23. San Diego,CA
I got a chuckle out of this...better reliability and prices.
Post by: iski on July 01, 2018, 05:40:11 PM
I got a chuckle out of this...better reliability and prices.
Does this mean you aren't expecting industry changing groundbreaking innovations combined with creative brilliance? :nixweiss:
Post by: bbrown on July 01, 2018, 07:42:11 PM
With only 12 weeks to go till the 2019 line up is here ...and here it is......there will be new creative colors (not in Denim) some chromed and some blacked out. The M8 problems are resolved along with a new oil pump and system. The share holders and executives are taking a 10% cut in pay and incentives that will be used to lower the pricing by 10%.
SH_ _ ......SORRY I JUST WOKE UP.....IT WAS A DREAM....
Here is my previous post... it’s a chuckle but sad at the same time
Post by: Twolanerider on July 01, 2018, 11:08:54 PM
Post by: pcpisano on July 02, 2018, 01:03:02 AM
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Post by: grc on July 02, 2018, 08:12:40 AM
All new bikes will be shipped in primer and those picky damned customers can paint them whatever color they want. And no, we won't be cutting the price.
(signed) Harley Management
Jerry ;)
Post by: iski on July 02, 2018, 08:19:51 AM
All new bikes will be shipped in primer and those picky damned customers can paint them whatever color they want. And no, we won't be cutting the price.
(signed) Harley Management
Jerry ;)
The Rattle Can Series. Buy a primer bike, then buy 2 ounce cans of HD spray paint for $499 a can. Minimum 4 cans to paint a bike 1 color. Non HD spray paint (or any non HD paint) will void the warranty.
They'll go like hotcakes at the Greasy Spoon on a snowy morning.
Post by: VaEagle on July 02, 2018, 08:56:52 AM
All new bikes will be shipped in primer and those picky damned customers can paint them whatever color they want. And no, we won't be cutting the price.
(signed) Harley Management
Jerry ;)
Hey they could be called "The Willie G blank canvas models!" That's the line he gave in the past to explain the vast parts catalog so we all could "make it our own..."
Post by: mark on July 02, 2018, 09:26:13 AM
Post by: Rooster on July 02, 2018, 09:32:28 AM
Here's an approach from the way BMW Motorrad works - offer the 2019s with packages, similar to what they do in the auto industry. Choose your options, wheels, etc. and that's how the bike is delivered from the factory.Only without the discount on the packages :huepfenjump3:
Post by: VaEagle on July 02, 2018, 10:24:20 AM
I know they tried it a couple of years ago with a couple of Sportsters but should be available across the board so H-D could market itself as the largest custom bike builder.......
I know they may take away from the dealerships profit in after sales installs but I think they could make out better in the long run by making it easier to get service/warranty work done quickly. I would think also that pre-ordering parts to be installed at factory would help determine H-D inventory based on demand for certain things and help prevent overstocking slow moving items.
Post by: ZVO on July 02, 2018, 12:25:23 PM
Post by: spook120 on July 02, 2018, 04:10:10 PM
Post by: KGB on July 02, 2018, 04:10:21 PM
I have been saying for years (and I was not the originator of the idea) that H-D should switch to a "custom order" type of system using their parts catalog as a base so that the customer could order exactly what they want for things like motor size, paint schemes, parts themes such as skulls,flames etc. That way when the bike arrives it is truly a "one of" type turn key bike.
I know they tried it a couple of years ago with a couple of Sportsters but should be available across the board so H-D could market itself as the largest custom bike builder.......
I know they may take away from the dealerships profit in after sales installs but I think they could make out better in the long run by making it easier to get service/warranty work done quickly. I would think also that pre-ordering parts to be installed at factory would help determine H-D inventory based on demand for certain things and help prevent overstocking slow moving items.
BMW started doing that several years ago with their cars, you could get a lot of the accessories installed at the port after the car shipped from Germany like exhausts, blacked out grilles etc, it really didn't take away from the service department, there where still always things to install and the dealer still got credit for the parts discounts at the end of the year.
Post by: iski on July 06, 2018, 05:21:36 AM
Post by: ultrarider123 on July 06, 2018, 06:59:49 AM
Spy shot, 2019.
...now DAT'S phuny rat dare....
Post by: bbrown on July 06, 2018, 08:19:04 AM
Post by: Grizzly on July 06, 2018, 09:32:58 AM
Post by: iski on July 06, 2018, 10:21:41 AM
Post by: ultrarider123 on July 06, 2018, 10:48:46 AM
Notice the super comfortable extra thick seat appears to be wrapped in plastic for stealth purposes. Unfounded rumor that Harley has inked a deal with Lazy Boy recliners on cushions.
Boy, you went a completely different direction than I was thinking. I thought since Momma Harley seems to cater to us generic folks, that was a Depends for your seat.... :huepfenlol2:
Post by: iski on July 06, 2018, 11:39:50 AM
Boy, you went a completely different direction than I was thinking. I thought since Momma Harley seems to cater to us generic folks, that was a Depends for your seat.... :huepfenlol2:
You're ahead of the curve on that one. ;D Harley brand Depends to match your seat. :o Nope, I will not Google that. No, no reason to Google it.
Post by: Yellow09SERG on July 06, 2018, 04:28:48 PM
You're ahead of the curve on that one. ;D Harley brand Depends to match your seat. :o Nope, I will not Google that. No, no reason to Google it.
Sure go ahead and google it! Results will probably say overpriced and issues with leaks
Post by: iski on July 07, 2018, 07:59:30 AM
Sure go ahead and google it! Results will probably say overpriced and issues with leaks
Nope, not gonna do it. Many, many years ago was warned to never Google the words "Lemon Party".
Post by: bbrown on July 12, 2018, 05:58:24 PM
With only 12 weeks to go till the 2019 line up is here ...and here it is......there will be new creative colors (not in Denim) some chromed and some blacked out. The M8 problems are resolved along with a new oil pump and system. The share holders and executives are taking a 10% cut in pay and incentives that will be used to lower the pricing by 10%.Showed this to number of dealers in my area and they all just laughed. Except .....several Said the colors will be much better and there are some minor changes to the M8.....then quickly said the M8 is a great engine until you mess with it........?????? little over 5 weeks to go.....
SH_ _ ......SORRY I JUST WOKE UP.....IT WAS A DREAM....
Anyone remember The California EPA website that does the carb approvals etc
Post by: DesertHOG on July 12, 2018, 07:16:49 PM
Showed this to number of dealers in my area and they all just laughed. Except .....several Said the colors will be much better and there are some minor changes to the M8.....then quickly said the M8 is a great engine until you mess with it........?????? little over 5 weeks to go.....
Anyone remember The California EPA website that does the carb approvals etc
So that there is a bunch of salesman BS and likely what they are using for an excuse. The Tech working on my bike made a big point about how upgradeable the M8 is compared to the Twin Cam. He said it was too bad that HD got rid of the Super Tuner because that's what would really let you get performance out of the planned upgrades. I think with all the HD Kits that are available it becomes clear that is exactly what HD was trying to achieve.
DH
Post by: Para Bellum on July 12, 2018, 10:35:05 PM
So that there is a bunch of salesman BS and likely what they are using for an excuse. The Tech working on my bike made a big point about how upgradeable the M8 is compared to the Twin Cam. He said it was too bad that HD got rid of the Super Tuner because that's what would really let you get performance out of the planned upgrades. I think with all the HD Kits that are available it becomes clear that is exactly what HD was trying to achieve.It sure looks that way, like HD is trying to make lemonade from lemons (the EPA ruling and fines): HD gets to void the warranty for any non-HD powertrain upgrades and/or tuning devices/maps, so anyone who wants to keep the warranty on a brand-new engine design is forced to use HD parts (and labor), tuners, and maps--so the aftermarket is shut out from the business. HD reaps the benefits.
DH
Post by: yobtaf103 on July 14, 2018, 01:17:07 PM
Post by: iski on July 14, 2018, 02:50:13 PM
Post by: bbrown on July 17, 2018, 09:40:53 PM
Post by: DesertHOG on July 17, 2018, 09:52:15 PM
wow it is sure quiet with less than 5 weeks to go...all I have heard is that the colors will be better but the prices will make you pucker.....Tomohawk report... just sayin
We may just be beyond caring. What do you think?
Post by: bbrown on July 17, 2018, 10:10:25 PM
Post by: Mr. Warlock on July 18, 2018, 06:53:03 AM
I have never worried much about warrantee's or the little miss-steps built into my toys as I have always done my own work. But, buying something that is darn near the price point of a well equipped 1/2 ton silverado and has a better than average chance of failing is (IMO) poor personal judgment.
Post by: mark on July 18, 2018, 10:36:20 AM
The MoCo has slowly changed the CVOs to be produced at a lower cost, while raising the MSRP. I expect that trend to continue in 2019. I'd like to know what the profit per unit is on a CVO produced in 2003 vs 2018. I think we'd be shocked.
Post by: sadunbar on July 18, 2018, 12:24:54 PM
Post by: ultrarider123 on July 18, 2018, 12:37:34 PM
Word is the MOCO has decided mechanical motor are beyond their capabilities, so the 2019 models are all electric! The last engineering decision before the new bikes are released to the public is how long to make the extension cords! :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21:
Awe man, U R behind the times....doncha know Solar is the way to go.... :huepfenlol2:
Post by: DesertHOG on July 18, 2018, 01:28:31 PM
Awe man, U R behind the times....doncha know Solar is the way to go.... :huepfenlol2:
The New Armadillo. Great at going down the road just don't try to cross the road with it.
Post by: tazmun on July 18, 2018, 03:52:10 PM
The New Armadillo. Great at going down the road just don't try to cross the road with it.Good one Simon!
Post by: spydglide on July 18, 2018, 04:44:20 PM
If keeping on the same trajectory, the CVOs will have more black and less chrome. The paint schemes will be less exotic than years past and more like what one would find on a standard production bike. However, the CVOs will still be priced as if the bikes were loaded with chrome, very custom paint, color-matched frames, etc.
The MoCo has slowly changed the CVOs to be produced at a lower cost, while raising the MSRP. I expect that trend to continue in 2019. I'd like to know what the profit per unit is on a CVO produced in 2003 vs 2018. I think we'd be shocked.
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Post by: bbrown on July 19, 2018, 08:50:42 AM
Very hard to argue with these observations, Mark spyder
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Most likely your correct so my 2011 SESG will be in my stable for another year. Another year of boring Denim blacked out cvos that are hard to distinguish from a standard model.
Post by: Threephase on July 19, 2018, 09:39:42 AM
Post by: bigsixman on July 19, 2018, 12:57:45 PM
If keeping on the same trajectory, the CVOs will have more black and less chrome. The paint schemes will be less exotic than years past and more like what one would find on a standard production bike. However, the CVOs will still be priced as if the bikes were loaded with chrome, very custom paint, color-matched frames, etc.
The MoCo has slowly changed the CVOs to be produced at a lower cost, while raising the MSRP. I expect that trend to continue in 2019. I'd like to know what the profit per unit is on a CVO produced in 2003 vs 2018. I think we'd be shocked.
I think that this will be pretty close to what we will see for 2019!
Post by: Rooster on July 19, 2018, 01:11:03 PM
Post by: iski on July 19, 2018, 01:49:26 PM
TheyAllDoThat.
Post by: Twolanerider on July 19, 2018, 02:57:47 PM
One of the 2019 new models will be called
TheyAllDoThat.
FLHTADTSE1
Post by: iski on July 19, 2018, 03:26:44 PM
FLHTADTSE1
Yes. One of the "Choose Your Own Color" bikes. Owner can pick from 5
Color matched tires to the paint are rumored to be on hold until 2020, because the MoCo has not convinced Dunlop to make red, blue, green, & grey tires so far.
Post by: Twolanerider on July 19, 2018, 03:29:33 PM
Color matched tires to the paint are rumored to be on hold until 2020, because the MoCo has not convinced Dunlop to make red, blue, green, & grey tires so far.
If they do plaid I'm in.
Post by: iski on July 19, 2018, 03:33:08 PM
If they do plaid I'm in.
Irish or Scotch? :nixweiss:
Post by: bbrown on July 23, 2018, 10:22:27 AM
Post by: Busto. on July 23, 2018, 10:11:10 PM
The dealer meeting is in CA on Monday August 20 - 23. When do they update the website with the new models etc. Is it usually Tuesday afternoon??????
These days the dealers will go live on facebook.
Post by: TN on July 25, 2018, 07:19:21 PM
Electrically powered. :bananarock: FXRE
Post by: Twolanerider on July 25, 2018, 09:26:03 PM
A twenty year anniversary CVO FXR model.
Electrically powered. :bananarock: FXRE
Oh lord, the Screamin Eagle Charging Station would cost three thousand dollars! :huepfenlol2:
Post by: YELLOWBIRD on July 30, 2018, 07:59:01 AM
Oh lord, the Screamin Eagle Charging Station would cost three thousand dollars! :huepfenlol2:
And..... Using any other Charging Station will Charge Faster & Better. BUT VOID the warranty!
YB
Post by: iski on July 30, 2018, 08:39:03 AM
Oh lord, the Screamin Eagle Charging Station would cost three thousand dollars! :huepfenlol2:
HD electric bikes will not be DC or AC, they will run on HC (Harley Current), CVO models will run on SEC (Screamin' Eagle Current). This electricity will cost twice as much & last half as long. California will require a special Cali EPA electricity filter to be added to all their bikes to reduce stray voltage emissions, which will add $1497.89 to the MSRP.
Post by: Gerhard on August 02, 2018, 09:16:25 AM
I heard the Pool Boy bought a BMW ;D The reason we haven't heard from him.
puh, I started sweating reading this ... After I lemonized successfully my 16MJ CVO StreetGlide in the end of 2017 ... I did buy a BMW. No joke. I´m waitin for the 2019ers: but: no more transferring, and please dear Levatich, let the paintschemes be inspired by Billy Gibbons!!!!!!!!!!
Greetings from Austria!
Post by: ultrarider123 on August 06, 2018, 08:58:52 AM
.....It's 2019 Harley time in Tennessee.....(with apology's to John Ward and my TN VOL friends...).... :huepfenlol2: :bananarock: :huepfenjump3:
(leaping for joy in anticipation.... :zroflmao: :zroflmao: :beatdeadhorse: )
Post by: Heatwave on August 06, 2018, 12:59:33 PM
If keeping on the same trajectory, the CVOs will have more black and less chrome. The paint schemes will be less exotic than years past and more like what one would find on a standard production bike. However, the CVOs will still be priced as if the bikes were loaded with chrome, very custom paint, color-matched frames, etc.
The MoCo has slowly changed the CVOs to be produced at a lower cost, while raising the MSRP. I expect that trend to continue in 2019. I'd like to know what the profit per unit is on a CVO produced in 2003 vs 2018. I think we'd be shocked.
The reality is that the profit margin at HD is actually far lower today than it was in 2003. Margin has gone to crap which is hard to believe with the scale of their annual price increases. Costs are just out running the price of the bikes. Pensions, Labor, materials and assembly costs. HD needs to get a handle on their internal costs if they ever hope to get to their margins of the past.
Post by: bbrown on August 10, 2018, 09:59:15 PM
Post by: Twolanerider on August 10, 2018, 10:29:19 PM
In Sturgis this week....Not many rumors or theories except more boring blacked out, Denims, with no character. One thing that people from all over are hearing is reverse will be an option /or standard for at least the Ultras. HMMM.....in less than two weeks we will know.
Harley actually doing factory ordered options would be a surprising option.
Post by: bbrown on August 13, 2018, 04:20:00 PM
https://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/hmc/2019/2019.php.
they are calling it a 1923cc. The 2018's were already 1923 cc......NOT SURE why one of the two for the Road Glide and Street glide is called stage one?.
Any ideas.
I see there is also a separate thread for this
Post by: Mano on August 13, 2018, 05:37:48 PM
well said ...but I have been waitin for 8 years for something as nice as my 04 SEEG or my 2011 SeSG. Just sayin...
X2 :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: davidw221 on August 13, 2018, 08:28:30 PM
Hey, I love my Harley but I'm about done with all of the Hunered dollars here Hunered dollars there!
Honda OTD is around $27,000 equivalent to the CVO equipment! except the potato, potato sound!
https://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news-new-bikes/new-goldwing-pictures-leak
Post by: DesertHOG on August 13, 2018, 09:30:08 PM
Ya know, I've been a Harley guy all my life, with that said, my next bike prolly won't be a Harley, many other manufactures have a much better warranty, Honda's new design has a bumper to bumper warranty 5 years or 50 thousand miles, Harley would go broke is they had a warranty like Honda with the sub-standard equipment they put on their bikes.
Hey, I love my Harley but I'm about done with all of the Hunered dollars here Hunered dollars there!
Honda OTD is around $27,000 equivalent to the CVO equipment! except the potato, potato sound!
https://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news-new-bikes/new-goldwing-pictures-leak
Honda has a vastly improved suspension, transmission, and motorcycle driving mode settings.
And the same goes for BMW. I don't know about Indian. I think they are at HD technology just less expensive.
Post by: bbrown on August 17, 2018, 09:17:45 AM
Post by: iski on August 17, 2018, 10:11:12 AM
Post by: skratch on August 17, 2018, 11:18:27 AM
Ya know, I've been a Harley guy all my life, with that said, my next bike prolly won't be a Harley, many other manufactures have a much better warranty, Honda's new design has a bumper to bumper warranty 5 years or 50 thousand miles, Harley would go broke is they had a warranty like Honda with the sub-standard equipment they put on their bikes.
Hey, I love my Harley but I'm about done with all of the Hunered dollars here Hunered dollars there!
Honda OTD is around $27,000 equivalent to the CVO equipment! except the potato, potato sound!
https://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news-new-bikes/new-goldwing-pictures-leak
where is this mystical 5 year warranty? i went to the honda website to look and all i could find was 3 years.....
Post by: King Glide on August 17, 2018, 12:08:33 PM
Post by: iski on August 17, 2018, 01:59:32 PM
where is this mystical 5 year warranty? i went to the honda website to look and all i could find was 3 years.....
Honda has a 3 year warranty. Possible a dealer could ad an extra 2, but factory is 3 years.
Post by: kojak on August 17, 2018, 05:23:59 PM
Post by: Threephase on August 17, 2018, 07:13:36 PM
Post by: DesertHOG on August 17, 2018, 07:13:51 PM
I don't really care about anything Honda or BMW do or don't do, just saying!
Sounds like you already have too many choices in your life :)
Post by: SDCVO on August 17, 2018, 11:43:41 PM
Anyone know when the website will have the new bikes? Monday or Tuesday???I spoke to my dealer today who is obviously going since meeting in San Diego and he said he thinks new models won't be introduced until Tuesday morning. He said his rep who he has known for years and has always shot straight with him told him:
CVO colors this year are terrific (subjective of course)
Rear suspension will not go to mono shock
they have come up with what they say will no longer sump
Infotainment system has been changed and is amazing
Guess we will see soon--
Post by: DesertHOG on August 18, 2018, 12:10:47 AM
I spoke to my dealer today who is obviously going since meeting in San Diego and he said he thinks new models won't be introduced until Tuesday morning. He said his rep who he has known for years and has always shot straight with him told him:
CVO colors this year are terrific (subjective of course)
Rear suspension will not go to mono shock
they have come up with what they say will no longer sump
Infotainment system has been changed and is amazing
Guess we will see soon--
Blashemy, it's perfect the way it is right now. Especially that Navigation system.
:puke: :vrolijk27: :beatdeadhorse: :smilie_daumenneg:
Post by: ultrarider123 on August 18, 2018, 11:04:33 AM
Now, do I agree? Don't know yet...however, it is something to ponder on... ;D
Post by: iski on August 18, 2018, 11:12:16 AM
Spoke to the local owner yesterday and he's headed out Monday morning. Looks like Tuesday morning for the public reveal and another interesting take on the "new" modular motor. It's basically the vrod motor with some minor changes. That's according to what he has discussed with corporate.
Now, do I agree? Don't know yet...however, it is something to ponder on... ;D
Yes pondering on the new motor. And considering what goes for normal around here these days, a fair amount of pounding, no matter if good or bad.
::)
Post by: YELLOWBIRD on August 18, 2018, 08:47:04 PM
I heard a rumor today bout Rockford Fosgate coming stock. Don't hold your breath.
We'll know soon bout everything.
YB
Post by: CVOStreetglide on August 18, 2018, 09:37:00 PM
Spoke to the local owner yesterday and he's headed out Monday morning. Looks like Tuesday morning for the public reveal and another interesting take on the "new" modular motor. It's basically the vrod motor with some minor changes. That's according to what he has discussed with corporate.
Now, do I agree? Don't know yet...however, it is something to ponder on... ;D
I hope they do revive the V-Rod motor platform. It was bullet proof and could be built/upgraded with TONS of horsepower. The strategy of that platform being water cooled was to expand it into the main line over time ahead of the increasing emissions standards criteria while allowing for increased performance.
Regards
Post by: ultrarider123 on August 20, 2018, 09:47:47 AM
Post by: CVOStreetglide on August 20, 2018, 10:38:27 AM
In years past there were tons of spectulation posts about colors, motors performance — etc.
Lets hope the launch brings a lot of good news.
Post by: iski on August 20, 2018, 11:14:58 AM
2019 may be the year HD begins to break away at a faster pace from the "traditional older style" bikes. Since their buyers for the present bikes are older & they need younger riders, it''s a given they will try to reach that younger audience with new product.
Hope they continue, wish them well, am interested to see the new model additions for 2019 more than the new colors of the older ones. Not to buy, just to see what they are reaching for with these models. Rumors of improvement on the I-taint screen that sprung from the depths of hell are of interest, some days a hammer would be the best improvement for mine.
Post by: Designflaw on August 20, 2018, 04:19:15 PM
Post by: FLY-DOG on August 20, 2018, 05:28:29 PM
Post by: OBB on August 20, 2018, 05:31:39 PM
Can't wait to see the new models, I just know they're all going to be "sump-en" special.:huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
Post by: kojak on August 20, 2018, 05:44:22 PM
Sounds like you already have too many choices in your life :)Yeah, road king or road glide or limited! Done them all, lol!
Post by: bbrown on August 20, 2018, 06:34:02 PM
GM buddy of mine is there, says show room floor will open at 12:00 est for Dealers to view full line and photo. I'll post when he sends.
The general session starts at 8:30 AM,PST. The display area will not be opened till 10:30PST. Since I am in the CST I am not expecting much till 12:30cst
Post by: DesertHOG on August 20, 2018, 06:41:16 PM
The general session starts at 8:30 PST. The display area will not be opened till 10:30PST. Since I am in the CST I am not expecting much till 12:30cst
Today? Tomorrow? Am/Pm?
Post by: bbrown on August 20, 2018, 07:47:10 PM
Today? Tomorrow? Am/Pm?
Tomorrow....AM
Post by: Twolanerider on August 20, 2018, 08:23:36 PM
Post by: SHRADER on August 21, 2018, 06:12:28 AM
Certain bikes will be available in two tone bondo with a primer color, it's part of the "Derelicte" campaign.
Derek Zoolander is the new spokesman...
Post by: iski on August 21, 2018, 08:00:20 AM
Pool boy is wrong Donald...gonna be a new bondo color this year, that changes in certain light to the color of sanded bondo.
Certain bikes will be available in two tone bondo with a primer color, it's part of the "Derelicte" campaign.
Derek Zoolander is the new spokesman...
Derek Zoolander has an eye for fashion and has experience as a rider.
(https://image.tmdb.org/t/p/w780/zchSMYxvRivumqWhnsYZFyhriTy.jpg)
Heard from the new pool/day spa non gendered person that the new aroma therapy bikes have EPA issues & will not be ready. He/she/ze/??? says the bikes will not be designated as 2019, they have skipped to 2020 instead and will produce these models for 2 years. It's the most important part of HD's new Double the Sales strategy.
The Lou Dobbs & Baba Wawa 20/20 new models are expected mid year.
Post by: OBB on August 21, 2018, 08:32:57 AM
Derek Zoolander has an eye for fashion and has experience as a rider.Pretty sure the PC term for that is She/He/IT, or S.H.I.T for short.
(https://image.tmdb.org/t/p/w780/zchSMYxvRivumqWhnsYZFyhriTy.jpg)
Heard from the new pool/day spa non gendered person that the new aroma therapy bikes have EPA issues & will not be ready. He/she/ze/??? says the bikes will not be designated as 2019, they have skipped to 2020 instead and will produce these models for 2 years. It's the most important part of HD's new Double the Sales strategy.
The Lou Dobbs & Baba Wawa 20/20 new models are expected mid year.
Post by: iski on August 21, 2018, 10:01:36 AM
Pretty sure the PC term for that is She/He/IT, or S.H.I.T for short.;D
Can't keep up anymore. Biology says there are 2 according to science. From what I have seen walking around, there are at least 3 or 4. :nixweiss:
Post by: guppytrash on August 21, 2018, 10:27:49 AM
They have been hanging on to that "don't want to pizz off the purists" stupidity for too long.
JMO but "that group" hasn't dropped 30K on a new bike since NEVER.
Reliability, performance, and an overall kick azz motorcycle from HD and they will find a bunch of buyers, both new and come backs.
Post by: DesertHOG on August 21, 2018, 10:50:59 AM
;D
Can't keep up anymore. Biology says there are 2 according to science. From what I have seen walking around, there are at least 3 or 4. :nixweiss:
Well, technically.
Those are the dominant. Then there’s the, something didn’t follow the rules kind. Like 3 eyed fish.
Post by: GSPLewie on August 21, 2018, 01:08:29 PM
Post by: TN on August 21, 2018, 01:14:14 PM
Post by: Heatwave on August 21, 2018, 01:15:24 PM
Post by: iski on August 21, 2018, 01:50:01 PM
Well, technically.
Those are the dominant. Then there’s the, something didn’t follow the rules kind. Like 3 eyed fish.
That explains what they mated with. Gills must be a recessive gene.
Post by: iski on August 21, 2018, 01:53:53 PM
I didn't think it was possible for HD to make the 2019 CVOs more boring than the 2018 CVOs. They proved me wrong.
The pictures and the videos are worse than the pictures and the videos. The way this is heading by 2022 they will try a whitewashed bike with picket fence grips and boards.
Underwhelmed by the 2019s, especially the CVO limited.
If the I-taint is really improved it would mean a little effort has been expended, because wouldn't take much to improve that POS.
Post by: King Glide on August 21, 2018, 02:07:24 PM
Post by: guppytrash on August 21, 2018, 02:11:19 PM
Post by: LC110 on August 21, 2018, 03:43:44 PM
Well maybe there are big plans for 2020 models.
Like bankruptcy. I don't see anything here that's going to bring their sales roaring back.
Post by: jaysails on August 21, 2018, 03:50:51 PM
Post by: Heatwave on August 21, 2018, 03:53:55 PM
BTW, The radio is the same 6.5" CFT screen but with a larger Gorilla Glass covering that replaces the current push buttons on either side of the radio screen. Resolution of the main screen is increased but no insight if the GPS engine or Radio have any significant improvements. Same 75 watt power listing with 4 Stage 1 speakers.
Post by: DesertHOG on August 21, 2018, 03:57:34 PM
Will I trade my 2018 RGS right now? No, but maybe when I have 50-60k miles on it.
Simon
Post by: iski on August 21, 2018, 03:59:14 PM
Post by: bbrown on August 21, 2018, 04:17:23 PM
Good. Simon likes some of them. Figures they will look better in person. After I saw the 2018s in person - still nope. But ya never know.
Not bad ......at least the denim and blackout is not prevalent
Post by: Designflaw on August 21, 2018, 04:23:13 PM
BTW, The radio is the same 6.5" CFT screen but with a larger Gorilla Glass covering that replaces the current push buttons on either side of the radio screen. Resolution of the main screen is increased but no insight if the GPS engine or Radio have any significant improvements. Same 75 watt power listing with 4 Stage 1 speakers.
Not correct, the whole system is updated. Probably because Sony now owns H&K.
https://www.cycleworld.com/harley-davidson-releases-technology-updates-new-cvo-models-and-fxdr-114-power-cruiser-for-2019
Post by: mslcpa on August 21, 2018, 04:50:12 PM
Post by: Rooster on August 21, 2018, 04:56:34 PM
Post by: Heatwave on August 21, 2018, 05:52:06 PM
Not correct, the whole system is updated. Probably because Sony now owns H&K.
https://www.cycleworld.com/harley-davidson-releases-technology-updates-new-cvo-models-and-fxdr-114-power-cruiser-for-2019
As I said, I had no insight to the actual system itself, however it is still the same size 6.5" BOOM system SCREEN with touch screen buttons where there used to be physical buttons. I assume the GPS engine has been updated since the "boot" time was cut in half.
Post by: OBB on August 21, 2018, 08:47:00 PM
As I said, I had no insight to the actual system itself, however it is still the same size 6.5" BOOM system SCREEN with touch screen buttons where there used to be physical buttons. I assume the GPS engine has been updated since the "boot" time was cut in half.
They can keep cutting that boot time in half. My brother has a Chieftain and within 5 seconds of that bike being turned on, it's ready to go. Damn fast startup.
Post by: bbrown on August 21, 2018, 10:58:42 PM
My FLHXSE looks better and better with each new model year. Might be able to sell it for what I paid, plus the add-ons! :D
no doubt!!!!!!!!
Post by: SDCVO on August 21, 2018, 11:59:28 PM
64,000 question of course is "will it sump"? Only time will tell on that but I am fired up and excited about gettin g this bike and love the new Infotainment screen (hope it works..).
Post by: Para Bellum on August 22, 2018, 01:30:02 AM
This is a new low for CVO color photos. We all know most of the past colors have looked so much better in person, but this is ridiculous--in CVOs, only the blue RG and the red SG look like they have possibilities. Not one of the Limited's colors looked OK.
Only the blue SERG looked good enough to buy sight-unseen.
Post by: OBB on August 22, 2018, 05:17:15 AM
FFS, when is HD going to get photographers who try to show off the bike and its colors, instead of egomaniacs who are trying to show how "artsy" they are? On most of the photos, they have the sun shining on the rear of the bike, so the only pics that might show the true color are from the rear. They gotta get the sun on the high side of the bike.Exactly!
This is a new low for CVO color photos. We all know most of the past colors have looked so much better in person, but this is ridiculous--in CVOs, only the blue RG and the red SG look like they have possibilities. Not one of the Limited's colors looked OK.
Only the blue SERG looked good enough to buy sight-unseen.
Post by: Grizzly on August 22, 2018, 12:54:25 PM
Having said that, at least they are trying, and it sure looks like they've stolen a page from Puzzled's book with 2 CVO Road Glides... (script on bottom of bags) Just not as nice.
Post by: bad00serg on August 22, 2018, 01:05:34 PM
No one has had more problems with the MoCo then I have had in the last year with 3 motors sumping in 2 months once leaving me stranded 250 m miles from home. When I looked online this morning and saw the new Roadglides and Streetglides I thought I did not like them which really sucks for me. I was telling my buddy that every year Harley puts out the worst pics of their bikes and I always think they are ugly until I see them in person so I reached out to my dealer that was at the meeting and asked him how they looked in person. He sent me this pic and said it was the nicest looking Harley he had ever seen in person. I have known this guy for many years and he has never bullish--ed me before and after seeing this pic and the few more he sent me I have to say I absolutely love it and I have never liked blue before. About the only color I like less than blue is brown and in 2012 when I saw the brown CVO Roadglide (Maple) online I thought it also was ugly. Same guy when it got to the dealer called me and told me I had to come in and see it. I didn't get within 10 feet of the bike before I fell in love with it and still love it 65,000 miles later!
64,000 question of course is "will it sump"? Only time will tell on that but I am fired up and excited about gettin g this bike and love the new Infotainment screen (hope it works..).
Post by: Heatwave on August 22, 2018, 01:09:51 PM
I think they've made a slight improvement in the colours over the 18's, but for my taste there just isn't enough pizzaz as there used to be, and that quite possibly is by design for the younger crowd. Although there will quite likely have just as hard of a time selling these new ones as they have had with the 18's.
Having said that, at least they are trying, and it sure looks like they've stolen a page from Puzzled's book with 2 CVO Road Glides...
I'm not sure there's many $43,000 motorcycle buyers in the "younger crowd". I have no clue why they would even care about the styling interests of 30 somethings when it comes to high end expensive toys like a CVO motorcycle. I'm guessing the average age of those buyer's putting down $40k on a motorcycle is 45-55 yrs old. Large numbers of younger bike riders will simply NEVER represent a large % of CVO buyers and it has nothing to do with styling and everything to do with the cost.
I think the real problem is too many younger guys in the HD marketing department and styling shop are trying to design a bike for what they "wish" they could afford. Unfortunately they are NOT the buyers and their designs end up turning off the real buyers (older riders) that can afford these more expensive bikes. HD is going to have to learn a very hard financial lesson. They need to build, design and style their bikes for the target audience that is likely to "afford" and buy them, not the target audience that "wishes" they could own one.
Post by: DesertHOG on August 22, 2018, 01:37:04 PM
I'm not sure there's many $43,000 motorcycle buyers in the "younger crowd". I have no clue why they would even care about the styling interests of 30 somethings when it comes to high end expensive toys like a CVO motorcycle. I'm guessing the average age of those buyer's putting down $40k on a motorcycle is 45-55 yrs old. Large numbers of younger bike riders will simply NEVER represent a large % of CVO buyers and it has nothing to do with styling and everything to do with the cost.
I think the real problem is too many younger guys in the HD marketing department and styling shop are trying to design a bike for what they "wish" they could afford. Unfortunately they are NOT the buyers and their designs end up turning off the real buyers (older riders) that can afford these more expensive bikes. HD is going to have to learn a very hard financial lesson. They need to build, design and style their bikes for the target audience that is likely to "afford" and buy them, not the target audience that "wishes" they could own one.
I suppose that 2019 CVO sales will determine if HD has a hit or not. With a declining market, I'd say either holding the number sold or increasing it marginally would be a marketing hit. Time will tell.
Post by: iski on August 22, 2018, 03:00:03 PM
Post by: rayson56 on August 22, 2018, 03:02:59 PM
I'm not sure there's many $43,000 motorcycle buyers in the "younger crowd". I have no clue why they would even care about the styling interests of 30 somethings when it comes to high end expensive toys like a CVO motorcycle. I'm guessing the average age of those buyer's putting down $40k on a motorcycle is 45-55 yrs old. Large numbers of younger bike riders will simply NEVER represent a large % of CVO buyers and it has nothing to do with styling and everything to do with the cost.
I think the real problem is too many younger guys in the HD marketing department and styling shop are trying to design a bike for what they "wish" they could afford. Unfortunately they are NOT the buyers and their designs end up turning off the real buyers (older riders) that can afford these more expensive bikes. HD is going to have to learn a very hard financial lesson. They need to build, design and style their bikes for the target audience that is likely to "afford" and buy them, not the target audience that "wishes" they could own one.
Very well stated!!
Post by: DesertHOG on August 22, 2018, 03:14:04 PM
Maybe it's just me, but I sense an overall lack of enthusiasm toward the 2019 models. :nixweiss: :huepfenlol2:
I am enthused but no one wants to hear it. :) I think the colors are way better than last year. I like the idea of a new (hopefully improved) entertainment and navigation system. I like the 114" on the "Specials" and I like the new FXDR with a 114". Maybe it looks like a "YammY" but then that must be one good looking Yamaha. Oh, and I like the Chin Spoiler/Sideburns on the CVO Road Glides.
So all you haters, just SHOOT ME!
Simon
Post by: iski on August 22, 2018, 03:58:40 PM
I am enthused but no one wants to hear it. :) I think the colors are way better than last year. I like the idea of a new (hopefully improved) entertainment and navigation system. I like the 114" on the "Specials" and I like the new FXDR with a 114". Maybe it looks like a "YammY" but then that must be one good looking Yamaha. Oh, and I like the Chin Spoiler/Sideburns on the CVO Road Glides.
So all you haters, just SHOOT ME!
Simon
Not me not a hater, life is too short & you would probably just duck. ;D
Colors are better than 2018. But to me that's like saying one bowling shoe looks better than another one. If the I-taint improved as much as claimed, that is a good thing. Much needed. 114 in more models to me is not a bad thing. I have one, I like it, just means there will be more of them out there. Am not concerned with depreciation because of the 114 broader use because I don't buy bikes as an investment.
Am still more interested - not as a buyer - in the smaller street bikes. If HD can produce a winner (or winners) there, it bodes well for them for the future. If not they have wasted another boatload of money. Water cooled or electrified, the 2 wheel times they are a-changing. I may not be around to see it all but we are headed to a horseless carriage era without petroleum. Blasphemy? Of course. Time marches on regardless.
Post by: DesertHOG on August 22, 2018, 04:22:27 PM
Not me not a hater, life is too short & you would probably just duck. ;D
Colors are better than 2018. But to me that's like saying one bowling shoe looks better than another one. If the I-taint improved as much as claimed, that is a good thing. Much needed. 114 in more models to me is not a bad thing. I have one, I like it, just means there will be more of them out there. Am not concerned with depreciation because of the 114 broader use because I don't buy bikes as an investment.
Am still more interested - not as a buyer - in the smaller street bikes. If HD can produce a winner (or winners) there, it bodes well for them for the future. If not they have wasted another boatload of money. Water cooled or electrified, the 2 wheel times they are a-changing. I may not be around to see it all but we are headed to a horseless carriage era without petroleum. Blasphemy? Of course. Time marches on regardless.
Understood.
Will we see touring models with Electronic Suspension Adjustment? How about onboard computers that adjust for road conditions by offering driving modes? I doubt it will happen on the touring models (at least anytime soon). However, I believe new models will be introduced and they will have those capabilities. The new ADV bike HD will offer next year should have those capabilities. If it doesn't, I predict it will be a loser in the market. The electrics will be interesting to watch. If the smaller one has a range of 120-130 miles, that could be a winner.
Only time will tell but I don't look for BIG changes in the touring models.
Simon
Post by: iski on August 22, 2018, 05:13:58 PM
Understood.
Will we see touring models with Electronic Suspension Adjustment? How about onboard computers that adjust for road conditions by offering driving modes? I doubt it will happen on the touring models (at least anytime soon). However, I believe new models will be introduced and they will have those capabilities. The new ADV bike HD will offer next year should have those capabilities. If it doesn't, I predict it will be a loser in the market. The electrics will be interesting to watch. If the smaller one has a range of 120-130 miles, that could be a winner.
Only time will tell but I don't look for BIG changes in the touring models.
Simon
Would be good to see HD offer Electric Suspension on the lead sleds, but am not holding my breath. Agreed on your points. If HD's new ADV bike doesn't have those features, it is DOA. Electrics are the future, as least as it seems now. When the ranges stretch to 150 or more with a very quick recharge - 30 minutes or less - the days of gas bikes will be numbered.
On touring models it's HD, BMW, & Honda. They set the standards, others copy. Indian was left out here on purpose, is possible they will lead as well in the future if they remain in business. Do not see major changes except to features and safety and convenience - the platform - big, heavy cruisers with lots of cargo space & comfort - that is the platform for touring.
I wish Harley no ill will. Hope to see them continue in business, for a variety of reasons. If they cannot get the new models right, it will be painful to watch them adjust ever downward...
Mike
Post by: groupw on August 22, 2018, 06:07:27 PM
I'm not sure there's many $43,000 motorcycle buyers in the "younger crowd".
........ i'd tend to agree w/ya there
not the target audience that "wishes" they could own one.
........... that's referred to as 'aspirational design' :-\
Post by: GSPLewie on August 22, 2018, 10:14:48 PM
Colors be damned, they have other serious issues going on. All the best to people that buy these new bikes. They’re all beautiful in their own way and have awesome tech. Just seems crazy how much more could be on these bikes for what they’re asking.
I just sold my 2012 CVO Street Glide and it took over a month, which was about a month longer than I thought it would take. And I had to lower price below what I thought too. Hope to get back on bike in future, but HD really has to address things. If I was buying tomorrow... it would be a special and save the coin.
Post by: Heatwave on August 22, 2018, 10:28:56 PM
The craziest thing to me now.... a “special” is basically what a CVO would have been just a few years ago for $13,000 less money. HD’s sales are down for obvious reasons and yet they’re not addressing them.
Colors be damned, they have other serious issues going on. All the best to people that buy these new bikes. They’re all beautiful in their own way and have awesome tech. Just seems crazy how much more could be on these bikes for what they’re asking.
I just sold my 2012 CVO Street Glide and it took over a month, which was about a month longer than I thought it would take. And I had to lower price below what I thought too. Hope to get back on bike in future, but HD really has to address things. If I was buying tomorrow... it would be a special and save the coin.
Not quite. A Special is still missing ALOT of upgrades from CVO Ultras even from a decade ago. No heated seat ($1100). No garage door opener. No CB. No heqdsets for rider and passenger included. No lighted hand controls. No LED turn signals. No luggage. No custom bike cover. No bag liners. No central power locks. No highway pegs. No upgraded floor boards and mirrors. No XM radio. No 75watt upgraded Sound system and upgraded speakers.
There’s still a very big difference between a “Special” or “Limited” compared to a CVO. But paint was also particularly special on the CVO and it clearly no longer stands out as unique when compared to other Harley’s. At least not to my eye.
Post by: VaEagle on August 22, 2018, 10:34:28 PM
Post by: SDCVO on August 22, 2018, 11:22:27 PM
All that trouble and you're gonna give the MoCo another $45K and let time tell? ???thats my settlement with MoCo. They offered me a 18 but I waited for a 19 hoping they would fix the sumping issue. What I mean by "time will tell" if they fixed it or not. Rep swears they have..
Post by: Para Bellum on August 23, 2018, 12:07:52 AM
thats my settlement with MoCo. They offered me a 18 but I waited for a 19 hoping they would fix the sumping issue. What I mean by "time will tell" if they fixed it or not. Rep swears they have..Are you getting a Stage III or IV kit on it? Waiting for you to wring it out and see if the sumping is fixed.
Post by: SDCVO on August 23, 2018, 12:37:14 AM
Are you getting a Stage III or IV kit on it? Waiting for you to wring it out and see if the sumping is fixed.Stage 4 like I had. I promise I will "wring it out" and will report. Going to follow the rules breaking it in but will start playing when I hit 1000 miles. Hoping for the best!
Post by: YELLOWBIRD on August 23, 2018, 06:10:59 AM
For those who have contacts at the dealer show and have seen the 2019s in person, any idea if the 2019 touring bikes have a fan behind the oil cooler (especially the ones with chin spoiler) and can the fan that mounts behind the rear cylinder and vent in front of the rear tire be used on a 117 motor or is it included on the CVO? (I know funny one huh....) Serious though....... I can only imagine the 117 to be a hot motor for the rider and maybe even passenger.
I have not seen any of the new models yet.
But they do offer the new fan that sits (more or less) on top of the starter for our model year. Saw it on the "new arrivals" P&As.
I know it wasn't the exact answer you were looking for and I have no experience with the fan either.
YB
Post by: OBB on August 23, 2018, 06:52:56 AM
thats my settlement with MoCo. They offered me a 18 but I waited for a 19 hoping they would fix the sumping issue. What I mean by "time will tell" if they fixed it or not. Rep swears they have..Which color Alan?
Post by: spook120 on August 23, 2018, 10:07:08 AM
Post by: Rooster on August 23, 2018, 10:49:44 AM
Post by: SDCVO on August 24, 2018, 01:01:14 AM
Which color Alan?Going with the Maco Shark Fade. Spoke to the service MGR at my dealer today and he spoke to the actual engineer that was on the team from Harley that made the design changes in the motor for the 19's at the dealer meeting. though if I tried to say what the design change was I would completely screw it up (not mechanically inclined) when he explained it to me it did make sense why it seems to be working. He said they have been installing new design in sumped motors for the last few months (Heatwave?) and not one has sumped. I have been trying to not let myself get my hopes up that new bike would not have a issue but after talking to him today I am now completely "all in" and excited! Bad news is if new bike sumps I will now be heart broken.
Good news is I love the looks of the "Fang" spoiler and that color on the new bike!
Post by: Mr. Warlock on August 24, 2018, 05:02:01 AM
I am enthused but no one wants to hear it. :) I think the colors are way better than last year. I like the idea of a new (hopefully improved) entertainment and navigation system. I like the 114" on the "Specials" and I like the new FXDR with a 114". Maybe it looks like a "YammY" but then that must be one good looking Yamaha. Oh, and I like the Chin Spoiler/Sideburns on the CVO Road Glides.
So all you haters, just SHOOT ME!
Simon
I'm with you Simon, I really do like the FXDR. I think It's a sharp looking hot rod.
Post by: OBB on August 24, 2018, 06:49:10 AM
Going with the Maco Shark Fade. Spoke to the service MGR at my dealer today and he spoke to the actual engineer that was on the team from Harley that made the design changes in the motor for the 19's at the dealer meeting. though if I tried to say what the design change was I would completely screw it up (not mechanically inclined) when he explained it to me it did make sense why it seems to be working. He said they have been installing new design in sumped motors for the last few months (Heatwave?) and not one has sumped. I have been trying to not let myself get my hopes up that new bike would not have a issue but after talking to him today I am now completely "all in" and excited! Bad news is if new bike sumps I will now be heart broken.Good deal. I'm pretty sure I'm not going to want to see that color in person. Only room for one bike in the garage and it better have the creature comforts for touring on it for the Mrs.
Good news is I love the looks of the "Fang" spoiler and that color on the new bike!
Once you get it in your hands, get it out in that Cali sun and get us some real good pix.
Post by: SDCVO on August 25, 2018, 12:58:01 AM
Good deal. I'm pretty sure I'm not going to want to see that color in person. Only room for one bike in the garage and it better have the creature comforts for touring on it for the Mrs.Will do
Once you get it in your hands, get it out in that Cali sun and get us some real good pix.
Post by: mark on August 25, 2018, 09:53:25 AM
Hoping all that makes the leap for a new model gets a reliable machine and not the new year problem. I just don't see the exchange of Black for chrome and still the prices keep rising. The paint jobs just aren't that special for a bike over 40k. But that is just MHO.
Black for chrome and less exotic paint, price stays the same or increases = more MoCo profit. The MoCo has slowly taken away from the CVOs. Remember when CVOs all had color matched frames?
Post by: T-Roy on August 25, 2018, 10:25:14 AM
Black for chrome and less exotic paint, price stays the same or increases = more MoCo profit. The MoCo has slowly taken away from the CVOs. Remember when CVOs all had color matched frames?
Then the few that do have some chrome it seems the exhaust is some kind of satin chrome or something. At least from the website pictures. I have not seen anything in person. How hard is it going to be to find matching slip on mufflers for those bikes??
Post by: T-Roy on August 25, 2018, 10:38:01 AM
Post by: OBB on August 25, 2018, 10:56:40 AM
Will doIf ya get it today by chance, ride it over to Vegas so I can see it. I'm here for a few days. Lol
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Post by: SDCVO on August 26, 2018, 12:11:57 AM
cant wait now to see the Mako Shark Fade in person-especially if its mine..
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on August 26, 2018, 07:39:02 AM
Have they told you how long until you will get your new bike?
Post by: Billy on August 26, 2018, 12:50:13 PM
Post by: Twolanerider on August 26, 2018, 03:40:09 PM
So does anyone know if and how they fixed the sumping problem? Thanks Billy
The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Or... they're still brand new. Even the vent that's a retrofit to some 18s is new enough no one should dare accept it as a "fix" yet. Everyone will simply have to wait awhile and see what the fleet performance actually has for its story.
Post by: SDCVO on August 26, 2018, 10:45:33 PM
So does anyone know if and how they fixed the sumping problem? Thanks BillyI am the least mechanical guy here but has something to do with blocking off something inside the motor so oil either stays somewhere or stops it from going somewhere. I am sure that answer has you all scratching your heads but thats what i remember about how he explained it to me. Sorry I am a moron. Didn't say anything about a vent.
Post by: SDCVO on August 26, 2018, 10:50:31 PM
Alan,The paperwork we signed says by Oct 2nd but does give them a "out" on that timing if availability is a issue. Through this long process with them I have got to know the rep fairly well and I do think even if they don't make the Oct 2nd date it should b e close to that. After going to 3 dealers yesterday they al said the same thing that the Maco Shark Fade seems to be the color everyone is looking for.
Have they told you how long until you will get your new bike?
Post by: SDCVO on August 26, 2018, 11:08:54 PM
Alan,Dave, seems like I am always "following you around". Bought my 17 SG same as yours after you and now going back to a RG after you have..
Have they told you how long until you will get your new bike?
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on August 27, 2018, 07:23:53 AM
I am sure you will be happy to get your new Road Glide. I do hope the changes in the motor fix the issue. I'm glad to be back on a road glide, I just like them better. Hopefully they meet or beat your 2 Oct date.
Post by: Rooster on August 27, 2018, 10:08:38 AM
Post by: Chesh on August 27, 2018, 10:15:11 AM
Post by: OBB on August 27, 2018, 12:15:20 PM
Just traded in my 2015 model and ordered my 2019 CVO limited in Metallic GreySharp bike. I saw one at Las Vegas HD the other day.
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Post by: byrd369 on August 28, 2018, 09:16:54 PM
Post by: Heatwave on August 28, 2018, 09:49:17 PM
Hello new to CVO. Ordered my 19 Mako last Saturday. By the way they do appeal to the 30 something crowd. We aren't all lazy.
I don’t recall anyone suggesting 30 somethings don’t find CVO’s of interest...and I certainly don’t recall anyone suggesting 30 somethings are lazy. What people stated was that there are VERY few 30 somethings with the resources to BUY a CVO.
Good for you as a 30 something that bought a CVO. You’re in a rare club as a rare younger member! Congratulations!
Post by: byrd369 on August 28, 2018, 09:57:17 PM
Post by: groupw on August 29, 2018, 12:20:09 AM
Just traded in my 2015 model and ordered my 2019 CVO limited in Metallic Grey
....... saw one @ Pikes Peak HD today
........ very sweet looking bike !!
Hello new to CVO. Ordered my 19 Mako last Saturday.
........ ohh, you are really gonna like that new machine
Post by: Buck Rogers on August 29, 2018, 02:51:44 AM
Just traded in my 2015 model and ordered my 2019 CVO limited in Metallic GreyCongratulations on the new bike. Trading my 2017 CVO Street Glide in on a Blackforest/Wineberry myself. Put the deposit on yesterday. :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: Buck Rogers on August 29, 2018, 03:10:13 AM
Hello new to CVO. Ordered my 19 Mako last Saturday. By the way they do appeal to the 30 something crowd. We aren't all lazy.Congratulations on the new bike :bananarock: