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Title: 110 sudden oil consumption
Post by: laylonlor on July 07, 2018, 11:48:51 AM
my 110 S G , heavy build  heads cam ect.120 hp, 12000 miles on mods,  is using 1/2 oil in 400 miles, still runs good , not smoking, no noises,  :nixweiss:
Title: Re: 110 sudden oil consumption
Post by: HD Street Performance on July 07, 2018, 12:03:36 PM
Air cleaner dry or is there oil in the air box?
Title: Re: 110 sudden oil consumption
Post by: laylonlor on July 07, 2018, 12:05:55 PM
thanks i'll ck . that
Title: Re: 110 sudden oil consumption
Post by: laylonlor on July 07, 2018, 02:39:01 PM
dry as a bone,..bro
Title: Re: 110 sudden oil consumption
Post by: MCE on July 07, 2018, 03:36:46 PM
Is this a 103 -> 110 "conversion" by chance? If so, who's cylinders did you go with?
Just curious b/c I've done quite a few now with S&S' conversion kit and they're solid.

-Matt

PS: You could examine the back side of the valves with a bore scope or pull the manifold
and pipes. That will help eliminate the possibility of it being a leaking guide/seal. (If it's not
that, I'd suspect the cylinders)
Title: Re: 110 sudden oil consumption
Post by: HD Street Performance on July 07, 2018, 05:07:42 PM
Time to get it in and get it checked.
Title: Re: 110 sudden oil consumption
Post by: laylonlor on July 07, 2018, 10:37:10 PM
it 's a 2010, 110 CI CVO street glide up grade, pistons cams heads ect., , got 14 k miles on it since upgrade
Title: Re: 110 sudden oil consumption
Post by: prodrag1320 on July 08, 2018, 08:10:21 AM
if it was all of a sudden,either broke ring or guide loose (guides coming loose is a fairly common problem with 110 heads),one would think it would be smoking a bit (or a lot) with either one though.one other thing you may want to look into is sumping,the oil out of the tank can be in the lower end,run it for a bit & drain the motor (not the tank,the plug on the bottom of the motor)
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Post by: MCE on July 08, 2018, 09:19:10 AM
Hubba hubba. She's built for speed!
Title: Re: 110 sudden oil consumption
Post by: grc on July 08, 2018, 11:00:29 AM
if it was all of a sudden,either broke ring or guide loose (guides coming loose is a fairly common problem with 110 heads),one would think it would be smoking a bit (or a lot) with either one though.one other thing you may want to look into is sumping,the oil out of the tank can be in the lower end,run it for a bit & drain the motor (not the tank,the plug on the bottom of the motor)

If the dipstick shows low (hot check), try letting the engine idle for five minutes and shut it off, then check the dipstick again.  If the oil level has increased significantly, the difference is the oil that was sitting in the sump instead of the oil pan.  A sudden increase in the amount of oil left in the sump on a Twin Cam is often caused by an oil pump scavenge side failing.

A bore scope would come in real handy when checking the other possibilities such as cylinder wall damage from a broken ring, or the intake and exhaust ports for signs of a valve guide issue.

Jerry
Title: Re: 110 sudden oil consumption
Post by: laylonlor on July 08, 2018, 12:30:03 PM
thanks all  , could have been that fat girl i been hauling too,..
Title: Re: 110 sudden oil consumption
Post by: J.D. on July 08, 2018, 03:50:23 PM
Only a few ways the oil could be that low after 400 miles, and none of those ways are good.

Only thing that is certain is I need to get to a motorcycle drag race.
Title: Re: 110 sudden oil consumption
Post by: johnsachs on July 08, 2018, 05:23:49 PM
Can be an overlapped oil ring separator. :nixweiss:
John
Title: Re: 110 sudden oil consumption
Post by: bigchuck on January 12, 2019, 06:14:42 PM
my 110 S G , heavy build  heads cam ect.120 hp, 12000 miles on mods,  is using 1/2 oil in 400 miles, still runs good , not smoking, no noises,  :nixweiss:


Mine is doing the same thing. Did you find the problem?
Title: Re: 110 sudden oil consumption
Post by: laylonlor on January 13, 2019, 03:53:19 PM
valve seal , worn ring, roller rocker, , ended up putting 124 ci in, 150 hp :bananarock:
Title: Re: 110 sudden oil consumption
Post by: bigchuck on January 13, 2019, 09:00:10 PM
valve seal , worn ring, roller rocker, , ended up putting 124 ci in, 150 hp :bananarock:

If you don't mind me asking, how much did the 124 project set you back?
Title: Re: 110 sudden oil consumption
Post by: johnmowcop on January 14, 2019, 12:53:07 PM
Having been down this road before and reboring along with loads of other stuff, after another 20k or so miles it's starting to use a oil again I think the last posts philosophy is a good one. With these engines we appear to be chasing rainbows.
JohnT
Title: Re: 110 sudden oil consumption
Post by: MCE on January 22, 2019, 01:32:35 PM
Having been down this road before and reboring along with loads of other stuff, after another 20k or so miles it's starting to use a oil again I think the last posts philosophy is a good one. With these engines we appear to be chasing rainbows.
JohnT

Unfortunately, you're probably right. The further you go into the realm of performance, reliability can
be compromised when you get crazy with it. (There's a happy medium in there somewhere) Also, allot
comes down to how you treat and ride it too.

Cheers,
-MC
Title: Re: 110 sudden oil consumption
Post by: BigLew on January 22, 2019, 04:46:55 PM
valve seal , worn ring, roller rocker, , ended up putting 124 ci in, 150 hp :bananarock:
That's a lot of HP from a 124

BigLew
Title: Re: 110 sudden oil consumption
Post by: MCE on January 22, 2019, 06:20:30 PM
That's a lot of HP from a 124

BigLew

1.2 is very good by any standard. way to go!
Title: Re: 110 sudden oil consumption
Post by: HD Street Performance on January 28, 2019, 01:14:39 PM
Great result. Let's see the dyno.
Title: Re: 110 sudden oil consumption
Post by: scottt on January 28, 2019, 03:59:10 PM
Having been down this road before and reboring along with loads of other stuff, after another 20k or so miles it's starting to use a oil again I think the last posts philosophy is a good one. With these engines we appear to be chasing rainbows.
JohnT
28 years with Harleys i learned one fact, the more you mess with Harleys the lower the reliability. If you want high performance your better off with a bike designed and built for performance, handling and comfort.

My humble opinion from experience.

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Title: Re: 110 sudden oil consumption
Post by: MCE on January 28, 2019, 08:18:30 PM
Having been down this road before and reboring along with loads of other stuff, after another 20k or so miles it's starting to use a oil again I think the last posts philosophy is a good one. With these engines we appear to be chasing rainbows.
JohnT

True statement. There's only so much you can do with this type of engine design. The induction system
(if you can even call it that) is severely limited. And with only Two cylinders, the exhaust system can only
do so much.

That being said, there's still room to make them better, but there's only so much you can do with with what
we have to work with. It's still fun trying though.
Title: Re: 110 sudden oil consumption
Post by: scottt on January 29, 2019, 01:17:49 AM
True statement. There's only so much you can do with this type of engine design. The induction system
(if you can even call it that) is severely limited. And with only Two cylinders, the exhaust system can only
do so much.

That being said, there's still room to make them better, but there's only so much you can do with with what
we have to work with. It's still fun trying though.
Same applies to the Harley suspension. The touring line uses a old frame design. Has limitations. You can spend big money improving but it will never ride or handle like competitive bikes.

Best to accept and love your  Harley for what it is. A great looking bike that fills the needs of most riders.

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Title: Re: 110 sudden oil consumption
Post by: GKroadking on January 29, 2019, 04:03:43 AM
Same applies to the Harley suspension. The touring line uses a old frame design. Has limitations. You can spend big money improving but it will never ride or handle like competitive bikes.

Best to accept and love your  Harley for what it is. A great looking bike that fills the needs of most riders.


Totally agree, well said.  :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: 110 sudden oil consumption
Post by: laylonlor on January 29, 2019, 11:09:16 AM
Great result. Let's see the dyno.
   where do you post a pic at on here?
Title: 110 sudden oil consumption
Post by: Unbalanced on January 29, 2019, 11:39:41 AM
   where do you post a pic at on here?

Directly below the box where you type your post it says Attachment.  - Click the choose file (whatever picture you want to post)  find it and attach it the post your reply.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190129/aaea0b9a6bf751a50c101b30bf9f6c9d.jpg)
Title: Re: 110 sudden oil consumption
Post by: laylonlor on January 29, 2019, 09:46:57 PM
ok
Title: Re: 110 sudden oil consumption
Post by: laylonlor on January 29, 2019, 09:57:52 PM
lol , i was just testing ,on that margarita drink , but dyno sheet won't come threw , says its to big to post or some sh*t, tried 6 times ..... anyway had 161 hp,  ,  s/s flywheels b2 heads, all the good stuff, broke the belt , had to put chain on, d/d pipe, woods gear drive,   70 mm throttle body,   tts master tuner
Title: Re: 110 sudden oil consumption
Post by: MCE on January 30, 2019, 09:11:13 AM
lol , i was just testing ,on that margarita drink , but dyno sheet won't come threw , says its to big to post or some sh*t, tried 6 times ..... anyway had 161 hp,  ,  s/s flywheels b2 heads, all the good stuff, broke the belt , had to put chain on, d/d pipe, woods gear drive,   70 mm throttle body,   tts master tuner

Sounds like a beast.

I always seem to have problems getting pictures on here too, so don't feel bad. (I was in the IT field for many years
so it shouldn't be all that difficult, but I still struggle with it)
Title: Re: 110 sudden oil consumption
Post by: HD Street Performance on January 30, 2019, 10:28:28 AM
lol , i was just testing ,on that margarita drink , but dyno sheet won't come threw , says its to big to post or some sh*t, tried 6 times ..... anyway had 161 hp,  ,  s/s flywheels b2 heads, all the good stuff, broke the belt , had to put chain on, d/d pipe, woods gear drive,   70 mm throttle body,   tts master tuner
That's an animal for sure, congrats