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Rubber replacement
« on: September 20, 2018, 07:10:33 PM »

I've got rubber replacement coming up. I've always run with the manual recommended Dunlop tyres  D402F MT90B 16 and rear D402 MU85B 16.
I'm considering going with Michelin Commandos ll. I've never really liked the Dunlop's on wet roads and it's my understanding the Michelin Commandos ll tyres are by far a better tyre on wet roads

Would any one know what the Michelin Commandos ll tyre numbers are that replace the Dunlop.

Thanks for any info.
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Re: Rubber replacement
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2018, 09:37:28 PM »


Michelin Commander II

Front:  130/90 B16  73H
Rear:   140/90 B16  77H


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Re: Rubber replacement
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2018, 12:29:24 AM »


       Much appreciated   :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21:

Any one that's using these tyres or has used them what's your views on them?

I had at one time put Continental's on "big mistake" I'll leave it there.
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Re: Rubber replacement
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2018, 12:38:06 AM »

       Much appreciated   :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21:

Any one that's using these tyres or has used them what's your views on them?

I had at one time put Continental's on "big mistake" I'll leave it there.
I love them. Take a little longer to warm up but very sticky once you do. Also getting about 25% more wear out of them
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Re: Rubber replacement
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2018, 04:25:15 PM »

I heard they don't have the proper load rating for a touring bike?

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Re: Rubber replacement
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2018, 04:33:44 PM »

Where did you get that information?  Cause it's wrong.

I agree, they are excellent tires.

FYI, no need to get the metric equivalent as Michelin makes the MT90B-16 and MU85B-16 sizes.
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Re: Rubber replacement
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2018, 07:50:20 PM »


Michelin does offer both the metric and the alpha-numeric versions as mentioned above.  If you want to see the complete listing of available sizes, follow this link and scroll down to the list of sizes.

https://motorcycle.michelin.co.jp/US/en/tires/products/commander-ii.html#

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Re: Rubber replacement
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2018, 10:35:45 PM »

I really like the Commander IIs on the '05 SEEG, not so much on the '09 SERG...
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Re: Rubber replacement
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2018, 10:42:13 PM »

    Thanks for your input guy's

Michelin does offer both the metric and the alpha-numeric versions as mentioned above.  If you want to see the complete listing of available sizes, follow this link and scroll down to the list of sizes.

https://motorcycle.michelin.co.jp/US/en/tires/products/commander-ii.html#

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Cheers Jerry,
I had found that link in my research looking for the numbers cross reference from Dunlop too Michelin.
The numbers were staring me in the face but didn't know it. I contacted Michelin for the cross reference size  but before they got back to me you had already posted them "spot on mate"  they of course came back with the same.

I see in the list the 130/90 and the 140/90 I assume  go hand in hand as a mach pair .  Don't know anything about tyre numbers only that the 77H stands for the load rating and 16 being wheel size,  the rest is all Dubbel Dutch to me.


Where did you get that information?  Cause it's wrong.

I agree, they are excellent tires.

FYI, no need to get the metric equivalent as Michelin makes the MT90B-16 and MU85B-16 sizes.

Cheers,
I think I'm going to give these Michelins a try.  Now those numbers MT90B-16 and MU85B-16 sizes just throws a spanner  (known as a wrench)  in the works I wouldn't have a clue there're the same tyres,  assuming they are the same. Only  know what the 16 stands for the rest it's  Dubbel Dutch. What part gives the load rating?   That's where I went wrong with Continental tyres l had on at one time I didn't know about the load rating,  the ride was like driving a bus down a bumpy road with no steering wheel just a pair of visegrips on the steering shaft. I put up with it for 4k then went back to Dunlop. The Dunlop's I don't mind when it's dry don't like them when it's wet.
These Michelin Commanders ll  say there a good wet weather tyre and on this side of the pond we are definitely in the wet time of year it'll  drop on you at any given time.
With our roundabouts and being wet with Dunlop's it's a bit unnerving I've felt them slip a few times.

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Re: Rubber replacement
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2018, 10:45:38 PM »

I really like the Commander IIs on the '05 SEEG, not so much on the '09 SERG...


Why's that ? What's the difference between them on the 05 and the 09?  Just curious
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Re: Rubber replacement
« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2018, 11:01:39 PM »


Why's that ? What's the difference between them on the 05 and the 09?  Just curious

The '05 (old frame) has 16s, the CIIs give sportier handling and much better wear than the OE 402s...

The '09 (new frame) has 18s, Not any handling improvement (that I can tell??) do not seem to be wearing as well (especially the front) as the last set of OE Dunlops...

On the '05 I will stay with the CIIs,,, On the '09 I'll probably try the American Elites next time...
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Re: Rubber replacement
« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2018, 05:00:26 AM »

The '05 (old frame) has 16s, the CIIs give sportier handling and much better wear than the OE 402s...

The '09 (new frame) has 18s, Not any handling improvement (that I can tell??) do not seem to be wearing as well (especially the front) as the last set of OE Dunlops...

On the '05 I will stay with the CIIs,,, On the '09 I'll probably try the American Elites next time...

That's interesting, strange the front on the 09 you find doesn't wear so well "possibly due too being 18s"

My front also wears off quicker especially the right side of the tyre more then the lift.  It's due to all the frigging roundabouts having to lean to the right all the time. There's a place not far from me that has a roundabout every 1/4 mile for 10 miles.
I try not to be too aggressive going into the roundabouts.
I'm looking forward to see how these Michelins hold up and the comparison of the ride and handling.
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Re: Rubber replacement
« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2018, 09:02:23 AM »

Those alphanumeric sizes are a pretty much obsolete system for designating tire sizes these days, as everyone has migrated to the metric system.  You can still find them for the older Harley's, but there is no advantage to using them instead of the equivalent metric sizes.

Example tire size:   140/90 B 16   77H
140 = tire width in mm at the widest point.
90  =  aspect ratio, how tall the tire is relative to the width expressed as a percentage, ie. 90%
B   =  bias ply construction, versus R = radial construction
16  = rim diameter in inches
77  = load rating (908 lbs)
H   =  speed rating (130mph)

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Re: Rubber replacement
« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2018, 10:50:54 AM »

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.msf-usa.org/downloads/MIC_Tire_Guide_2012V1.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiL2ITf0s7dAhVs4oMKHUxHB7wQFjAAegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw3q7vQwzewtDV0qEqXFllFT

 :2vrolijk_21:  :2vrolijk_21:

Those alphanumeric sizes are a pretty much obsolete system for designating tire sizes these days, as everyone has migrated to the metric system.  You can still find them for the older Harley's, but there is no advantage to using them instead of the equivalent metric sizes.

Example tire size:   140/90 B 16   77H
140 = tire width in mm at the widest point.
90  =  aspect ratio, how tall the tire is relative to the width expressed as a percentage, ie. 90%
B   =  bias ply construction, versus R = radial construction
16  = rim diameter in inches
77  = load rating (908 lbs)
H   =  speed rating (130mph)

Jerry



 :2vrolijk_21:  :2vrolijk_21:

 ;D ;D   It's like a a light bulb had just been turned on.

Thanks  guys,   :2vrolijk_21:
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