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2016 CVO Roadglide lifters
« on: November 04, 2018, 01:05:09 PM »

Could I safety assume that my 2016 CVO Roadglide does in fact have the new upgraded Screaming Eagle lifters in the engine? I have heard so many conflicting stories.
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Re: 2016 CVO Roadglide lifters
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2018, 01:17:42 PM »

Yes it does and yes they still go bad. I had to have mine changed at the 30k service on my '15 as they were just starting to delaminate.
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Re: 2016 CVO Roadglide lifters
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2018, 03:31:31 PM »

Could I safety assume that my 2016 CVO Roadglide does in fact have the new upgraded Screaming Eagle lifters in the engine? I have heard so many conflicting stories.

The official Harley parts catalog lists the number for the SE High Capacity lifters as standard equipment.  There is no guarantee unfortunately that the folks assembling your particular engine installed those lifters, but the odds are heavily in favor of your engine having the High Capacity lifters.  Now to the more important part; you cannot assume having those lifters somehow makes your engine immune to the widespread lifter roller failures on CVO 110 engines.  The failures have much more to do with the cams and the heavy valves along with the valve springs.  No matter what lifters you install, if you keep the stock cams and valve train you need to plan on doing regular scheduled lifter replacements.  Some people around here change lifters at 5k, 10k, 15k or 20k miles.  There is no absolute number of miles recommended, but I recently saw a note in a Harley listing for a performance upgrade package that actually did recommend changing the lifters at 7500 mile intervals when using that particular kit.  It was actually the first time I've ever seen them acknowledge the problem and recommend regular lifter changes.

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Re: 2016 CVO Roadglide lifters
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2018, 04:04:36 PM »

 replace them  :2vrolijk_21:
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Re: 2016 CVO Roadglide lifters
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2018, 05:16:14 PM »

Could I safety assume that my 2016 CVO Roadglide does in fact have the new upgraded Screaming Eagle lifters in the engine? I have heard so many conflicting stories.

Yes you could probably safely assume that, but either way I wouldn't bet on them to last. I would get them out and look to the aftermarket world for something else. The S&S have a pretty good reputation and so far have treated me well
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Re: 2016 CVO Roadglide lifters
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2018, 06:25:08 PM »

Plus 1 on the S & S


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Re: 2016 CVO Roadglide lifters
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2018, 06:30:52 PM »

The official Harley parts catalog lists the number for the SE High Capacity lifters as standard equipment.  There is no guarantee unfortunately that the folks assembling your particular engine installed those lifters, but the odds are heavily in favor of your engine having the High Capacity lifters.  Now to the more important part; you cannot assume having those lifters somehow makes your engine immune to the widespread lifter roller failures on CVO 110 engines.  The failures have much more to do with the cams and the heavy valves along with the valve springs.  No matter what lifters you install, if you keep the stock cams and valve train you need to plan on doing regular scheduled lifter replacements.  Some people around here change lifters at 5k, 10k, 15k or 20k miles.  There is no absolute number of miles recommended, but I recently saw a note in a Harley listing for a performance upgrade package that actually did recommend changing the lifters at 7500 mile intervals when using that particular kit.  It was actually the first time I've ever seen them acknowledge the problem and recommend regular lifter changes.

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Yes they snuck this in the 2014 P&A catalog under the SE canshaft section (use SE lifters and replace at 7,500 mikes).  As if this somehow justifies the crap design.  I was a bit shocked to see this sort of statement myself.
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Re: 2016 CVO Roadglide lifters
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2018, 08:44:12 AM »

Could I safety assume that my 2016 CVO Roadglide does in fact have the new upgraded Screaming Eagle lifters in the engine? I have heard so many conflicting stories.
It sure does have the upgraded SE lifters.

They still fail.  They did on my 15 CVO Road Glide Ultra. It was catastrophic, my engine had to be replaced. Had 44K miles on the bike, very lucky it was right before the 2 year warranty expired. 
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Re: 2016 CVO Roadglide lifters
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2018, 10:05:12 AM »

I have S and S premium lifters and adjustable pushrods ready to go in. Going to do it without pulling rocker boxes.
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Re: 2016 CVO Roadglide lifters
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2018, 11:03:48 AM »

S&S - Very good
Johnson Hylift - Also very good, (probably the best out of all of them).

Harley lifters - not that great. I'd stay away from them it it were me.
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Re: 2016 CVO Roadglide lifters
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2018, 11:34:09 AM »

Could I safety assume that my 2016 CVO Roadglide does in fact have the new upgraded Screaming Eagle lifters in the engine? I have heard so many conflicting stories.
Yes but they are failing the same as the previous versions.
Hylift with axle oiling, slow bleed version is prefered and very affordable.
If it were mine, and as I did on my own personal bike, I would lower the spring pressure with a replacement set of dual springs without flat wire dampers. These motors run fine with premium springs at 140# seat pressure and a spring rate of ~350. Less pressure on the lifters, a good thing. Not the same as beehives as they have higher seat pressures despite a low spring rate. They also are a single spring that in my experience on these motors can fail and cause more collateral damage than a dual spring.
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Re: 2016 CVO Roadglide lifters
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2018, 11:57:00 AM »

Lowering the seat pressure and going with a duel spring is not a bad idea. This
has been discussed at length on many forums. There are pros and cons to each,
but a duel spring is generally the way to go on one of these motors.

As far as the roller flaking material off. That's more of a lack of quality and crappy
manufacturing.

There are 1000s of LS Chevy motors running around with similar spring pressures
that don't have these problems.

Use a high quality lifter and most of your issues will be solved.
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Re: 2016 CVO Roadglide lifters
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2018, 05:50:26 PM »

Lowering the seat pressure and going with a duel spring is not a bad idea. This
has been discussed at length on many forums. There are pros and cons to each,
but a duel spring is generally the way to go on one of these motors.

As far as the roller flaking material off. That's more of a lack of quality and crappy
manufacturing.

There are 1000s of LS Chevy motors running around with similar spring pressures
that don't have these problems.

Use a high quality lifter and most of your issues will be solved.

Have read over and over the LS lifters are the same size as the lifters in our bikes. Something about the top cap is a little different as far as the oiling hole. With that being said, would you run the LS lifters in a bike after changing out that top cap?
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Re: 2016 CVO Roadglide lifters
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2018, 06:05:41 PM »

I would just get some S&S standard lifters and call it good. I've heard of people using Chevy lifters
but I haven't tried it. The oil metering is supposedly different.
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Re: 2016 CVO Roadglide lifters
« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2018, 07:44:15 PM »

Have read over and over the LS lifters are the same size as the lifters in our bikes. Something about the top cap is a little different as far as the oiling hole. With that being said, would you run the LS lifters in a bike after changing out that top cap?

Yes.

Delphi made the "B" lifters and also the current S&S.  I've opened up a GM lifter and mic'd everything.  I couldn't identify any differences except for the top cap (pushrod "cup").
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