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[SIX38]

I took some surface temperature readings (used a Fluke digital dual temp thermocouple thermometer) before and after exhaust / ECM modifications. Temperatures vary considerably as speed, throttle and load changes, and these temps were the higher readings.
Before: Stock 2009 SEUC
 
Air Temperature                 80 deg
Front Pipe @ O2 sensor       728 deg
Rear Pipe @ O2 sensor        960 deg
Collector Pipe @ cat          1041 deg
Oil temp                           273  deg (yikes)

After: 96" pipes / no cat / Jet Hot Extreme Sterling; 1.75 in Fullsac baffles; TTS Mastertune with Fullsac '09 SE 110 MAP; SERG Air Cleaner; AMSOIL 20w/50 in 3 holes.
Air Temperature                78 deg
Front Pipe @ O2 sensor      580 deg
Rear Pipe @ O2 sensor       745 deg
Collector Pipe / No Cat       706 deg
Oil Temp                          210 deg

Notes: After installing changes I did a 25 miles test run just prior to leaving for a 10 day, 3200 mile, 11 state tour with 10 other riders. Almost all back road twisties from sea level to 5800 ft elevation. One up, fully loaded, we rode rain or shine. The bike ran flawlessly, heat was never an issue, 40 to 45 mpg, with oil temp staying between 180 and 230. I do have the Lenale fans installed (cylinders and oil cooler) and used them when stuck in traffic, turning on at 230 degrees oil temp would keep oil temperature from climbing any higher and would lower the temp. Engine heat was no longer an issue and engine seems much quieter. Oh yeah, did I mention FAST!!! I plan on doing the V-Tune function soon and will post my results. Thank you Steve Cole of Mastertune and Steve George of Fullsac for putting together a great product combo. I'm smiling now.

Tom P.   

[sportygordy]

Your doing good with temps,  are you using the fan assist oil cooler ??.

[Diamondback]

 

Awesome numbers.

Have you dyno'd the bike?

 

[spydglide]

sounds like you and the mc are happy now.  har.  spyder

[SIX38]

Your doing good with temps,  are you using the fan assist oil cooler ??.

I have installed both the Lenale fan at the OE horn location and the Lenale oil cooler fans. They are both powered through the accessory switch and I turn them on when in stop & go traffic when the oil temp reaches 230 degrees (I installed an oil temperature gauge in place of the stock air temp gauge). They will prevent any further climb in temp and will begin to lower oil temp. One downside, the fan will blow the heat towards your right leg. (Don't wear shorts!!)
Tom P.

[mjb765]

I have installed both the Lenale fan at the OE horn location and the Lenale oil cooler fans. They are both powered through the accessory switch and I turn them on when in stop & go traffic when the oil temp reaches 230 degrees (I installed an oil temperature gauge in place of the stock air temp gauge). They will prevent any further climb in temp and will begin to lower oil temp. One downside, the fan will blow the heat towards your right leg. (Don't wear shorts!!)
Tom P.

Which oil temp gauge did you use and where does the sensor for it install?

Just noticed you are on LI--where about?? I am out in Westbury

[sportygordy]

I have installed both the Lenale fan at the OE horn location and the Lenale oil cooler fans. They are both powered through the accessory switch and I turn them on when in stop & go traffic when the oil temp reaches 230 degrees (I installed an oil temperature gauge in place of the stock air temp gauge). They will prevent any further climb in temp and will begin to lower oil temp. One downside, the fan will blow the heat towards your right leg. (Don't wear shorts!!)
Tom P.

Where did you find the Lenale Oil Cooler Fans ?? Do they work in conjunction with the HD Deluxe Oil Cooler?

[SIX38]

I installed the Harley Davidson 2" metal face oil temp gauge, p/n 75320-05A. Sending unit mounts in oil pan tapping near the engine oil drain plug. Seems to be fairly accurate. I live in Coram.
Best of luck with your new ride. NICE!!!

[SIX38]

Where did you find the Lenale Oil Cooler Fans ?? Do they work in conjunction with the HD Deluxe Oil Cooler?

I contacted Lenale-Engineering with an e-mail through ebay and inquired about their oil cooling fans. They responded with ordering instructions. It mounts to the HD oil cooler and included wiring that plugs into the accessory connector under the seat. Simple install

[SIX38]

The other fan
Tom P.

[SIX38]

Awesome numbers.

Have you dyno'd the bike?

 

I have not dyno'd the bike. I installed Mastertune myself, (Was easier than I expected, but read the instructions fully!). I plan on using the V-Tune function next and will likely do a dyno run after that just for my own infomation. Honestly, the bike is running great right now, maybe I should leave well enough alone?
Tom P.

[Diamondback]

 

My bike has the non Cat header, PC V with autotune, rinehart's and Stage I AC.  Right after I had it set up it got 96 hp and 11ft-lbs.   have decided to let it be and haven't dyno'd it after then PC V took over because it runs great.

If I had it dyno'd I am sure I'd want to fiddle around.

 

[MKW]

Great info!  Do any of you guys know what the temp improvement (round about) is with just removing the CAT?  I'm taking delivery of a FLHXSE and have been interested in the COBRA 4" slipons and tossing the CAT.  What options for getting rid of the CAT while keeping the OEM 2-1-2 look?

[DICKW]

A few mods will cool the bike off a bit, nice work.

Definatley a different fan set-up on the cooler.

[mjb765]

Great info!  Do any of you guys know what the temp improvement (round about) is with just removing the CAT?  I'm taking delivery of a FLHXSE and have been interested in the COBRA 4" slipons and tossing the CAT.  What options for getting rid of the CAT while keeping the OEM 2-1-2 look?

Go to www.fullsac.com and look at the info on the site. He will take your headpipe and remove the cat and send it back to you. Looks completely stock. A lot of people on this forum have used him--Steve is a great guy and will give you any info that you need.

[Diamondback]

 

[MKW]

Go to www.fullsac.com and look at the info on the site. He will take your headpipe and remove the cat and send it back to you. Looks completely stock. A lot of people on this forum have used him--Steve is a great guy and will give you any info that you needs]

I'll look into it-thanks!

[Diamondback]

 

[colcop]

Hi Six38,
I contacted Lenale today via the Ebay website re the oil cooler fans.
They replied that they are no longer produced......
Could you forward the ordering info, and I will check again.

Many thanks........

[Diamondback]

 

[FiveO CVO]

SIX38,
Gotta like those new numbers. Thanks for posting the pic's of the fan's too.  I'm interested in the oil cooler fan, but was wondering, in your opinion, do you think the fan impede's the normal air flow when the fans in front of the cooler are not operating?  By the pic, it looks like they would???

[SIX38]

SIX38,
Gotta like those new numbers. Thanks for posting the pic's of the fan's too.  I'm interested in the oil cooler fan, but was wondering, in your opinion, do you think the fan impede's the normal air flow when the fans in front of the cooler are not operating?  By the pic, it looks like they would???

Hello FiveO,
 Yea, I had the same concern when I installed it, but having used the fans since April logging 3600 mile in all type of conditions and temperatures, the only times I would need to turn them on was in stop and go traffic. Just got home from a trip to Cape Cod with the wife, and got trapped in a 3mile back up on Rt 6 for over an hour and the fans keep the temp below 230, never engaging the EITMS (engine idle temperature management system [rear cyl cut out]). Oil temperature ranges between 180 & 230 while moving with fans off. I have driven in the rain about 6 times during this period and although I didn't use them while raining, the water didn't seem affect them. So far I'm more than satisfied with them and along with my other mod's, have solved the heat issue.
Tom P.   

[Gecko]

My bike has the non Cat header, PC V with autotune, rinehart's and Stage I AC.  Right after I had it set up it got 96 hp and 11ft-lbs.   have decided to let it be and haven't dyno'd it after then PC V took over because it runs great.

If I had it dyno'd I am sure I'd want to fiddle around.

 

Wow!  Ninety-six horsepower out of 11 lb-ft. of torque?  By my calculation that's spinning just under 46,000 rpm!  I take it you had the crank welded? 

[Diamondback]

 

Ok.  FFFFFingers don't work.

111ft-lbs.

Thought about on of those high revvin Jap motors.  Nah just kidding.

 

[jarica]

I took some surface temperature readings (used a Fluke digital dual temp thermocouple thermometer) before and after exhaust / ECM modifications. Temperatures vary considerably as speed, throttle and load changes, and these temps were the higher readings.
Before: Stock 2009 SEUC
 
Air Temperature                 80 deg
Front Pipe @ O2 sensor       728 deg
Rear Pipe @ O2 sensor        960 deg
Collector Pipe @ cat          1041 deg
Oil temp                           273  deg (yikes)

After: 96" pipes / no cat / Jet Hot Extreme Sterling; 1.75 in Fullsac baffles; TTS Mastertune with Fullsac '09 SE 110 MAP; SERG Air Cleaner; AMSOIL 20w/50 in 3 holes.
Air Temperature                78 deg
Front Pipe @ O2 sensor      580 deg
Rear Pipe @ O2 sensor       745 deg
Collector Pipe / No Cat       706 deg
Oil Temp                          210 deg

Notes: After installing changes I did a 25 miles test run just prior to leaving for a 10 day, 3200 mile, 11 state tour with 10 other riders. Almost all back road twisties from sea level to 5800 ft elevation. One up, fully loaded, we rode rain or shine. The bike ran flawlessly, heat was never an issue, 40 to 45 mpg, with oil temp staying between 180 and 230. I do have the Lenale fans installed (cylinders and oil cooler) and used them when stuck in traffic, turning on at 230 degrees oil temp would keep oil temperature from climbing any higher and would lower the temp. Engine heat was no longer an issue and engine seems much quieter. Oh yeah, did I mention FAST!!! I plan on doing the V-Tune function soon and will post my results. Thank you Steve Cole of Mastertune and Steve George of Fullsac for putting together a great product combo. I'm smiling now.

Tom P.   

Which pipes did you install on your bike?  Do they have the wide band or narrow band O2 sensors?  Nice work!
Jarica

[maac16324]

I have two touring bikes. At home (Canada) I have an 09 CVO Ultra Classic. Here in New Zealand I took delivery of a 2010 Ultra Classic Limited in mid-December. I have about 20,000 miles on my CVO, and 10,000 miles on my Limited. Both are fitted with Harley dip stick temperature guages. New, both bikes commonly read between 265F and 275F on the guage. Type of riding and ambient temperatures really didn't seem to make much difference. Both bikes were uncomfortably hot, especially on the right thigh. The CVO particularly had a very annoying dead range on the throttle from 2,000 to 3,000 rpm. Both bikes felt lean in the mid range. On both bikes I removed the catalytic converters, installed a fuel management system (SERT for the CVO, PC5 for the Limited) and had the bikes dyno tuned to richen the air fuel mixtures. Both bikes got high flow air cleaners and the Limited got an Andrews 54H cam, true duals and SE Pipes. After the work the CVO immediately dropped to an average running oil temperature of 215F to 225F. The Limited seems to run slightly cooler between 205F to 220F. The difference in oil temperatures could be accounted for by a number of factors but both bikes have become a pleasure to drive, although mileage has dropped to give a range on a tank of about 200 miles on the road. Heat is no longer an issue and throttle response in the mid range is excellent.

[spydglide]

Should make for fun, dependable rides.  spyder

[Diamondback]