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[RivRaptor]

I live 15 miles from that dealer. Sad. Used to be a nice small family owned shop. The new owners own another dealership in Riverside, CA I believe. Crazy prices.
Lucky there is dealer closer to me. Although, they just got bought last year by someone from Texas with a few other Harley dealerships.

Riverside HD is the sister shop, they also own a dealership in another state. We had the unfortunate luck to have experienced their car salesman tactics.  In 16' we were looking for a Sporty 48 for my other half and they had the right color.  It's a big dealership and when you walk in you see the raised area with the high counter where the managers hide.  They work off of the paper with the 4 squares.  Very car dealership.  Well after 6 1/2 hours later we got the bike for sticker out the door.  (luckily I've bought a lot of cars over the years and seen all the tricks)  The experience was so unnecessary.  I've seen 2 year old models on their floor with mark up!  I think their plan is start higher, end up higher!  In retrospect, I purchased my 17' CVO from a smaller dealership, still OTD for sticker, lots of goodies included & the deal took minutes to ink!  Can you guess who will get our future business?

[CHH_Badkarma]

Yup, that is HBHD for ya. They are generally like piranhas when you walk in the door. They're very few places in Southern California that don't have that Mark up. If I'm not mistaken the one in Irvine doesn't have the markup and neither does laidlaws but I could be wrong

[mark]

Here's the problem I see...a veteran HD owner isn't going to pay that because he knows better.  The likelyhood of a first-time HD buyer dropping $60k on a bike is remote...unless thing are different in California.  There's no way I'd buy from this dealer, even if they dropped the price to MSRP.  These pricing tactics say a lot about their character. 

[Ironhorse]

At San Jose HD right now, dealer mark up on the CVO is $1,700. Regular Ultra is $975. They are part of the conglomerate that owns Thunder Road and Salinas/Monterey HD.

[CHH_Badkarma]

Maybe komifornia dealers started accepting EBT to get some extra coin

[OBB]

At San Jose HD right now, dealer mark up on the CVO is $1,700. Regular Ultra is $975. They are part of the conglomerate that owns Thunder Road and Salinas/Monterey HD.

Why in the hell the extra $0.38??? Crazy stuff going on out there.

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[bakon]

Pittsburgh pa. Local dealer adds Dealer Set up to all bikes. 1100 on cvo.  Refuse to pay when making 20% at sticker. 8800 without extra. 9900 on a 46000 tag with extra mark up!

[iski]

Why in the hell the extra $0.38??? Crazy stuff going on out there.

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Pays for the plastic sleeve thing that the price sheet is placed in.  They reuse it but charge full price for it over and over and over.

[Ironhorse]

Maybe komifornia dealers started accepting EBT to get some extra coin

It has nothing to do with “komifornia” “Pennsa-Tucky”, or any other place. It’s all about the “Automall-Walmart’s” taking over. Dudley Perkins HD is now San Francisco HD. “Lane Splitter HD is now San Jose HD”.  HD set what some small dealers see as unreasonable standards. They are required to have so many feet of space, and carry so much stock and inventory. The small places couldn’t do that and either shut down, folded in with other dealers, or were bought out by the mega auto dealer conglomerates.

They are doing what Walmart did, squeezing out the mom and pops stores with strategically placed mega stores. Then selling stuff from Asia and Central America just like a Walmart.  It’s the new American model, capitalism at its finest.  It used to be when you walked into the Harley dealership, the owner or one of his family members would come and say hi. They would ask you how you were doing, and how your friends and family are. They talked about everything but motorcycles and accessories. They saw you as a friend. Now when you walk into an HD dealer, you are descended upon by 4 hungry salesmen circling you like sharks.

We did this to ourselves when we put making profits more important than people.

[iski]

It has nothing to do with “komifornia” “Pennsa-Tucky”, or any other place. It’s all about the “Automall-Walmart’s” taking over. Dudley Perkins HD is now San Francisco HD. “Lane Splitter HD is now San Jose HD”.  HD set what some small dealers see as unreasonable standards. They are required to have so many feet of space, and carry so much stock and inventory. The small places couldn’t do that and either shut down, folded in with other dealers, or were bought out by the mega auto dealer conglomerates.

They are doing what Walmart did, squeezing out the mom and pops stores with strategically placed mega stores. Then selling stuff from Asia and Central America just like a Walmart.  It’s the new American model, capitalism at its finest.  It used to be when you walked into the Harley dealership, the owner or one of his family members would come and say hi. They would ask you how you were doing, and how your friends and family are. They talked about everything but motorcycles and accessories. They saw you as a friend. Now when you walk into an HD dealer, you are descended upon by 4 hungry salesmen circling you like sharks.

We did this to ourselves when we put making profits more important than people.

And a lot of those family owned friendly HD shops were sold by owners who cashed in big time on their investment & saw a chance to make a heck of a lot of money & use that money for things they cared more about than owning a HD dealership.  I saw the same thing happen in a lot of other industries besides auto & MC.  Mom & Pop cashed out.  Nothing wrong with that either.  If we as customers rejected the "auto mall" concept of selling mass quantities to the masses, manufacturers would react to create another way to market their merchandise.  At this point in time a lot of customers must prefer the concept, otherwise those auto malls would have no customers & they would be gone sooner than later.

[skorch]

A $19K dealer mark up!!!

All you have to do is come to NC and pick one at any dealer and ride it home. Here they are everywhere, any color, 2018,2019 and 2020...they just can’t sell them.

[mjb765]

All you have to do is come to NC and pick one at any dealer and ride it home. Here they are everywhere, any color, 2018,2019 and 2020...they just can’t sell them.

A lot in NY also.....I think that mark up was from a dealer in Ca.

[scottt]

It has nothing to do with “komifornia” “Pennsa-Tucky”, or any other place. It’s all about the “Automall-Walmart’s” taking over. Dudley Perkins HD is now San Francisco HD. “Lane Splitter HD is now San Jose HD”.  HD set what some small dealers see as unreasonable standards. They are required to have so many feet of space, and carry so much stock and inventory. The small places couldn’t do that and either shut down, folded in with other dealers, or were bought out by the mega auto dealer conglomerates.

They are doing what Walmart did, squeezing out the mom and pops stores with strategically placed mega stores. Then selling stuff from Asia and Central America just like a Walmart.  It’s the new American model, capitalism at its finest.  It used to be when you walked into the Harley dealership, the owner or one of his family members would come and say hi. They would ask you how you were doing, and how your friends and family are. They talked about everything but motorcycles and accessories. They saw you as a friend. Now when you walk into an HD dealer, you are descended upon by 4 hungry salesmen circling you like sharks.

We did this to ourselves when we put making profits more important than people.

Very true. Additionally; Harley dropped regulations that once encouraged single family owned dealerships. If my memory is correct a dealer can now own up to 5 dealerships. This has encouraged mega dealerships, some owned by mega car dealerships.

Car dealerships aren't buying Harley franchises out of love for the sport or because they even ride. They simply see it as a huge money making opportunity. They believe we are totally brand loyal and will pay whatever for that honor. Harley now markets it's self as an upscale product with wealthy customers that like to dress up and play biker on weekends.

This image is much more important than investing the R&D to build high quality, competitive motorcycles.

More and more, old time Harley riders will buy used. Will do there own maintenance or use independent shops.

Sorry for the long rant.

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[Tony Smith]

Wow. Run away

Come see my guy in Manassas, VA. Jim at Bull Run Harley. I buy all my CVOs from him. He’ll give you $500 off MSRP and first 3 services free ($1500) value.


Tony
19 CVO SG

[Bobs14Limited]

I'm in California and got $2,500 off my 2020 CVO Limited last month from my nearby dealer 15 miles away. Of course, it is owned and has been owned by the same family for over 30 years.
There are still some good dealers around, you just have to seek them out.