Topic: Thunderheader 2in 1 (Read 5878 times)

altugo · « **on:** March 20, 2006, 01:28:43 PM »

Hi people!!!
I just ordered Thunderheader 2in1 pipes today.Whats the best aircleaner and EFI tuner to go with.
Please help.
Thanks. [smiley=drink.gif] [smiley=drink.gif] [smiley=drink.gif] [smiley=drink.gif]

tunedse2 · « **Reply #1 on:** March 20, 2006, 01:47:16 PM »

Altugo, you have the best air filter... Buy your tuner or pc based on the local tuner that is going to do the work. If your going to do it at the Stealer use the HDRT...

altugo · « **Reply #2 on:** March 20, 2006, 01:49:57 PM »

Thanks tunedse.I wanna buy my own tuner.Is there one without using any pc software?

tunedse2 · « **Reply #3 on:** March 20, 2006, 02:15:53 PM »

Altugo I dont know the answer to that, You mean you want to tune it yourself?

tunedse2 · « **Reply #4 on:** March 20, 2006, 02:18:08 PM »

Here's what I got with my Screamin Eagle Race Tuner...

altugo · « **Reply #5 on:** March 20, 2006, 02:21:25 PM »

Yes but if not possible whats the best way to do it?My only concern is that the dealer here doesnt have the software to do it.Well the dealer in istanbul has the software and the bike is going there anyways.So where to get the map for se2 fatboy with thunder headers?I might get it tuned there.
Thanks.
Altug

altugo · « **Reply #6 on:** March 20, 2006, 02:23:59 PM »

Thats pretty good for me.Got the part#?Any maps to download?Are you mentioning part#32107-01d?

tunedse2 · « **Reply #7 on:** March 20, 2006, 02:26:42 PM »

You dont want a map- you want it tuned... Print out my Dyno sheet from 2 posts above and take it to your dealer and tell him you want better than that... You should do better with 2 into 1's, but most impotantly tell him you want your A/F line to be similar...Spend the money on the tuner and you will be happy.....

altugo · « **Reply #8 on:** March 20, 2006, 02:30:24 PM »

Ok.Well excuse my ignorance but do i need a dyno to do that? I know i sound like an idiot but this will be the first time im doing this.

tunedse2 · « **Reply #9 on:** March 20, 2006, 02:31:37 PM »

no worries, yea you would need to have it run on a dyno... is there one available?

altugo · « **Reply #10 on:** March 20, 2006, 02:55:47 PM »

Well thats the problem I know that there isnt one at the dealer here.Ill check the main distrubutor maybe they have it.There are some dynos for cars around here but would they work?

tunedse2 · « **Reply #11 on:** March 20, 2006, 03:15:49 PM »

No, It wont altug, but send a post out on Twin Cam with the setup you have and ask how you could copy someone elses setup to your bike. There has to be a way for you to take all the data from another ecm to yours... I'm waiting for a call back from the SM at my Dealership, I will ask him as well...Also call your exhaust manufacturer, V&H has some canned maps to work on their systems, maybe you can get the same.

altugo · « **Reply #12 on:** March 20, 2006, 06:00:48 PM »

Ok thanks for all the info i will post at v twin.
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fatboyse2 · « **Reply #13 on:** March 20, 2006, 09:13:35 PM »

Altuga, The HD Race Tuner comes with a library of dyno'd configuration files which you can load into your on-board programable computer on your bike. Since you are probably sticking with HD supplied Screamin Eagle parts and you have limited access to experienced mechanics in your area, I suggest you stick with a configuration that is in the Screaming Eagle performance parts catalog. The Thunderheaders can be used in subsitiute of the 2 into 1 pipe configuration and SE part upgrades found in the SE catalog. Here's a couple of threads of what I did to my bike as an example:

http://flhrsei.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1133018373

http://flhrsei.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1134340683

For the initial download to my bike from the Race Tuner library, I used file 127NI010-B0.MT6 and downloaded it to my bike before the intial startup after building it. Using a HD tested configuration and parts list will avoid you having to get the bike manually tuned in on a dyno.

altugo · « **Reply #14 on:** March 20, 2006, 09:22:33 PM »

Hi fatboy thank you for the info.I was wishing that ud be around to help me.
How bout this www.terrycomp.com/tv.html
Any experience with terminal velocity?Since i dont have acess to dyno would it be good enough to go with tv?
Thanks again
Altug [smiley=drink.gif]

fatboyse2 · « **Reply #15 on:** March 20, 2006, 09:26:02 PM »

I personally would stay away from this. I'd Stick with the correct tuning for your bike.

tunedse2 · « **Reply #16 on:** March 20, 2006, 09:33:07 PM »

altug, It looks as though you have gotten some good info, but if it helps I talked to the SM at my dealer and he does have programming for an 06 se2 with thunderheader 2-1 with no other mods. If you think you would like it I will get it for you...

altugo · « **Reply #17 on:** March 20, 2006, 09:39:09 PM »

Tunedse that would be great.Can you please learn what else i need to tune it without a dyno.sert??anything else??? [smiley=drink.gif]

tunedse2 · « **Reply #18 on:** March 20, 2006, 09:43:50 PM »

altug, He says that should be all you need. I looked at the Dyno sheet for the bike- 101 hp and 107 torque- A/F was sweet... I will call him tomorrow and see how we can get it CD DVD etc.. If he can e-mail it as a file that would be great also... I'll follow up...

tunedse2 · « **Reply #19 on:** March 20, 2006, 09:46:22 PM »

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Tunedse that would be great.Can you please learn what else i need to tune it without a dyno.sert??anything else??? [smiley=drink.gif]

You defintely have to buy a RT to do this Altug. Its your only choice without a tuner.. you also have the option of a MAP like Fatboy was referring to...

altugo · « **Reply #20 on:** March 20, 2006, 09:47:53 PM »

So I am ruling out terminal velocity since its not recommended, and tunedse was able to find an exact bike with my configuration.I was advised in vtwin forum to do exactly that.I hope your dealer can get the map of that bike and i will not need a dyno. I dont wanna ride all the way to Italy or Greece just to get the bike dynoed hehehe [smiley=huepfenjump3.gif] [smiley=drink.gif] [smiley=drink.gif]
Thanks tunedse2 and thanx fatboyse2.

altugo · « **Reply #21 on:** March 20, 2006, 09:50:07 PM »

Tunedse in this case i think race tuner is the better option since the bike is exactly same config as mine.What you think?Map ot racetuner?

tunedse2 · « **Reply #22 on:** March 20, 2006, 09:58:17 PM »

altug, I dont think you can get a map without some sort of communication device, RT PC etc. I am no expert but I went through these same issues getting a popping condition out of my bike and these guys helped me get results I didnt think were possible. Here we have options like guys with semi trailers with dyno's in them and years of experience, without good tuners I think sticking with HD product is your safest bet.. Dont buy anything tonight, I'll get you more info tomorrow. Although I dont see how a ride to Italy would be all that painfull.

altugo · « **Reply #23 on:** March 20, 2006, 10:11:33 PM »

It would definitly be fun to ride there but who would come with me just to dyno the thing and back hehehe.Id rather ride there with a group of people for some sort of holiday.Its 5.08 am and ill go to sleep soon.I wont buy anything until i hear from you.HD parts are sure bet you are right.Thank you for all of your help.You are apreciated. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]
Cheers [smiley=drink.gif] [smiley=drink.gif] [smiley=drink.gif]

AUSSIE_FLSTFSE · « **Reply #24 on:** March 21, 2006, 01:11:31 AM »

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Hi people!!!
I just ordered Thunderheader 2in1 pipes today.Whats the best aircleaner and EFI tuner to go with.
Please help.
Thanks. [smiley=drink.gif] [smiley=drink.gif] [smiley=drink.gif] [smiley=drink.gif]

29773-02A AIRCLEANER KIT
29479-05 AIRCLEANER ADAPTER
961 x 3 SCREW
29614-03 TEARDROP AIRCLEANER COVER
29140-05 AIRCLEANER INSERT
29327-94 AIRCLEANER BOLT
32107-01C RACE TUNER

These are the parts I got for mine. You definately need the stage one air cleaner (as I have mentioned we have international models which are not shipped with the stage one air cleaner & the screamin eagle slash down pipes) I know you have a foot ball cover so exclude the tear drop cover if you have to. Also I agree that the Screamin Eagle Race Tuner is the only way to go. I have done just over 5000km now & still have not had it dyno tuned (as the SERT is a very speacialized item & you need a good Harley Dealer to do this), but just tried a few different maps that come programed in the race tuner. How ever I have run it on a dyno to see the out put & it did have 98.6hp & 100ftlb tq

Cheers
[smiley=drink.gif]
Mike

AUSSIE_FLSTFSE · « **Reply #25 on:** March 21, 2006, 01:20:51 AM »

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Altugo, you have the best air filter... Buy your tuner or pc based on the local tuner that is going to do the work. If your going to do it at the Stealer use the HDRT...

you dont have the best air cleaner at all, but you do need it badly

Cheers
[smiley=drink.gif]
Mike

tunedse2 · « **Reply #26 on:** March 21, 2006, 09:34:51 AM »

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you dont have the best air cleaner at all, but you do need it badly

Cheers
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Mike

I apologise I didnt know there was a difference with the bikes shipped outside the country.

AUSSIE_FLSTFSE · « **Reply #27 on:** March 21, 2006, 02:35:26 PM »

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I apologise I didnt know there was a difference with the bikes shipped outside the country.

Apology accepted, You were not to know how lucky you are .

Cheers
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Mike

fatboyse2 · « **Reply #28 on:** March 21, 2006, 07:09:34 PM »

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So I am ruling out terminal velocity since its not recommended, and tunedse was able to find an exact bike with my configuration.I was advised in vtwin forum to

EAGLE1 · « **Reply #29 on:** March 21, 2006, 07:43:41 PM »

hey guys, I heard someone say that adding the SERT to your bike will void your factory warranty, anybody know the true scoop on this, I have not heard anybody mention this before.

tunedse2 · « **Reply #30 on:** March 21, 2006, 09:35:28 PM »

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hey guys, I heard someone say that adding the SERT to your bike will void your factory warranty, anybody know the true scoop on this, I have not heard anybody mention this before.

Eagle, My take on it is that it depends on the dealer. I have read some threads in here that are really over the edge with the Dealers wearing warranty badges and others seem to be realistic with it. My dealer is allowing me to do engine work as long as I use HD parts (and even allowing me to sneak a Zippers part or 2 in) . They just warned me that if I break down out of the area the games may begin... I would talk to the Service Manager at your selling dealer, the RT voiding the warranty is a little over the edge. My dealer stocks 10 at all times and sells most of them in the deal with the Bike. Good Luck...

EAGLE1 · « **Reply #31 on:** March 21, 2006, 11:09:48 PM »

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Eagle, My take on it is that it depends on the dealer. I have read some threads in here that are really over the edge with the Dealers wearing warranty badges and others seem to be realistic with it. My dealer is allowing me to do engine work as long as I use HD parts (and even allowing me to sneak a Zippers part or 2 in) . They just warned me that if I break down out of the area the games may begin... I would talk to the Service Manager at your selling dealer, the RT voiding the warranty is a little over the edge. My dealer stocks 10 at all times and sells most of them in the deal with the Bike. Good Luck...

Tunedse2, Thanks man, im kinda gettin the picture here, I have not talked to them about this yet, but I think if i get that kind of attitude from them I will cancel my warranty, and take the money and take my business elseware, it will be their loss on the parts and labor.
seems pretty stupid attitude to take, but when i was at Cutters HD up in janesville, WI I overherd the parts guy tell someone that as well, and i could not believe what I was hearing, i have not heard anyone on the site that has had this problem [smiley=nixweiss.gif]

AUSSIE_FLSTFSE · « **Reply #32 on:** March 27, 2006, 04:46:27 AM »

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Apology accepted, You were not to know how lucky you are .

Cheers
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Mike

Sorry Jim, I didn't realise it was you! these bloody screen names get a bit confusing. But never the less you still blew it.

see pic of my bike when I got it. With the stock air cleaner & stock pipes I could not even hear her run . I rekon she was lucky to make 80hp!

Cheers
Mike

altugo · « **Reply #33 on:** March 28, 2006, 08:20:04 AM »

Exactly!!!Now i just passed break in process and with stock cleaner-exhaust 4th and 5th gear performance is very weak.

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