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2008 FXSTSSE2 new compensator required
« on: December 27, 2018, 03:07:53 AM »

Well folks the original fitment compensator on my 2008 CVO Springer is starting to fail with 38,000 Kilometres.

I have done LOTS of internet researching and have come up with the following part numbers

42200064A for the Screamin' Eagle compensator kit . Local Australian HD dealer reckons this part # is all I'll need ?

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40100061 for the ( I think ?) same compensator PLUS a stator as the bike is a 2008

Am I on the right track ? Is there a "better" more recent release as I do believe the part has been modified/updated several times now.

Hoping this is in the right spot , it is a CVO Springer after all !
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Re: 2008 FXSTSSE2 new compensator required
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2018, 08:42:19 AM »


Assuming your bike still has the original compensator and rotor, the correct number is the 40100061 kit which contains the new rotor as well as the compensator parts.  You will also need to purchase the epoxy adhesive used to install the oil drip tray to the primary cover separately.

The number your dealer suggested is for bikes that already came with the SE style compensator and thus have the correct rotor and spring pack.

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Re: 2008 FXSTSSE2 new compensator required
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2018, 04:14:16 PM »

Found this video helpful



This is what Jerry says you need.
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Re: 2008 FXSTSSE2 new compensator required
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2018, 04:58:39 PM »

Thanks longlast , I had already come across that video in my searchings. Quite explanatory , even tho' the model years are occasionally a bit blurred or muddled.

Due to the "live feed' of the production no doubt.

The video was very helpful in any case and thanks for the parts document , also helpful.
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Re: 2008 FXSTSSE2 new compensator required
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2018, 06:05:06 PM »

Thanks longlast , I had already come across that video in my searchings. Quite explanatory , even tho' the model years are occasionally a bit blurred or muddled.

Due to the "live feed' of the production no doubt.

The video was very helpful in any case and thanks for the parts document , also helpful.

Glad it helped some.

Just did my compensator on my 07.   I was in the same boat as you,....not being sure what is or isn't the right parts to go with.

This is info pasted on to me from guys on this website forum you'll find it'll do the trick for you..

When you get into it don't forget to run a flat end 9/16 NC12(a bottoming tap) tap down the shaft threads and blow out the old locking compound from the threads. You'll also need a # T70 torx for the new bolt and torque to175psi.
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Re: 2008 FXSTSSE2 new compensator required
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2019, 12:58:15 AM »

Well fitted up the Compensator upgrade kit 40100061. Had to remove the inner primary (Schweinhund of a job which is why many folks grind the primary case below the stator !)

As the bike is a 2008 the original stator needed to be replaced with the one in the kit

All seemed to go smooth , used the more modern 2014 alloy primary cover with the built in "Oil splash tray"

Started it up , small run , not too smooth and CLUNK when shutting off. WTF ? $635 Aussie dollars worth of parts and it's worse ?

Also noisy as before while riding , whistley/whirring and the odd occasional clunk. that was yesterday.

Internet search last night until midnight , whipped it open again today , put an extra dish spring in ( as suggested in other forums etc etc )

Another 2 hour job after cleanup etc etc...STILL NOISY AND CLUNKLY on shutdown and whirring on the move.

Yes sounds just like a bad primary as in all the youtube videos.

Next stripdown this coming Sunday maybe The indy shop ( my mat's workshop !) is going to try another younger part number kit that only has the hardware , no rotor required.

We'll see how that goes. Struggling to imagine what may be the problem to be honest ?
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Re: 2008 FXSTSSE2 new compensator required
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2019, 02:56:57 PM »

Replace the needle thrust bearing with the thrust washer # 6557

The needle thrust bearing has been reported being noisy
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Re: 2008 FXSTSSE2 new compensator required
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2019, 05:02:42 PM »

Like Pete mentioned, ditch the needle bearing thrust washer and go back to the older plain thrust washer.  Another thing to check is the compensator bolt to crankshaft torque.  Many have had the bolt torque out prematurely due to excessive friction caused by old dried thread locker in the threads.  If you didn't completely clean out the old thread locker, that may also be part of the clunk problem.
 
After assuring the threads are clean, install the bolt as follows:

Tighten compensating sprocket screw to 135.6 N·m (100 ft-lbs).

NOTE
Make sure shims do not fall between shaft extension and alternator rotor when loosening screw.

   
Loosen screw one half turn (180 degrees).
   
Final tighten to 237.3 N·m (175 ft-lbs).
   

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« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2019, 07:31:16 PM »

Thanks Jerry.

Now the "shims" , read that in the instructions. Does that mean the saucer shaped spring pack ?

I could not see in the instructions "shims" as such nor on the exploded diagram ?

Where do these shims sit exactly ?

Thanks in advance mate
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Re: 2008 FXSTSSE2 new compensator required
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2019, 09:52:35 PM »


The shims referenced in the instructions were used between the rotor face and the shaft extension on some earlier applications.  Other parts were changed in 2014 to eliminate the need for those shims, and you shouldn't need to worry about them on a new kit.  See attached pdf for the service bulletin covering the change.

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Re: 2008 FXSTSSE2 new compensator required
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2019, 01:17:57 AM »

Thanks again kind sir !

Now I see why I could not "see" them...

Well that eliminates that as they say as a source of my more than mild distress..

Rode the bike today in 32C , snitchy and clunky , did not like going into 5th and 6th for easy cruise as it would before from 55MPH ( 90 K's/H)

Tomorrow another stripdown , filthy messy job haha , and it has to be 37C !!
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Re: 2008 FXSTSSE2 new compensator required
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2019, 03:18:44 PM »

well, let us know when you find the problem..  for all the world it sounds like something is loose or the bolt is not tightening down properly. measure the depth of the hole and the stack ht of what it bolts and see if there is as issue where the bolt is torqueing down to the number - but not the tightness. there "could" be lock tight jammed in the bottom of the hole and the bolt is tightening to that instead of the head.


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Re: 2008 FXSTSSE2 new compensator required
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2019, 01:41:40 AM »

Well fellows just home from the Indy workshop. The "new" compensator kit that was the 40100061# with the rotor , the rotor was left in and all the spring pack/compensator sprocket assembly removed and examined.

Compared it on the bench to the compensator/spring pack that came from the 42200064A #, the "new" one in the box , and the sliding cam was 90 thou "taller" in this pack (Nearly 2.3mm !) , plus had a machined in "groove" whether to aid oiling or just to show an updated part I am not sure. This box was made/packed 6 months after the 40100061 box ??

Reamed out the threads with a bottoming tap 9/16 NC12 and blasted out with Carby/throttle body cleaner ( all we had to hand !) and compressed air.

VERY careful reassembly using only 5 Spring plates ( was 6 in yesterday !) Torque-o-rama  to 175 Ft/Lbs .

Roadtest clunk GONE , still a bit of mild "Whistling"/chattering ( maybe I am now overthinking that !) but the bike will now go into 6th at 85Km/H no worries. No clunk on throttle roll-off.

37C ride home . sweltering , will try again once the seabreeze comes in and will have a 110 Km/H freeway run in 5th and 6th.

Hopefully the whistling will "bed in" and I will do another primary oil drop in a couple of hundred K's to check for swarf on the drain plug magnet and "metal gloss" in the oil...
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Re: 2008 FXSTSSE2 new compensator required
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2019, 10:33:48 AM »


Sounds like an old style slider cam found it's way into the kit you purchased.  Wonderful inventory control again, either at Harley or the vendor.  The old style hasn't been used from 2014 on, as noted in the service bulletin.  Hopefully you are now good to go.

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Re: 2008 FXSTSSE2 new compensator required
« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2019, 02:47:17 PM »

Sounds like you got it sorted out as far as the shifting and clunky noise.

You didn't mention the needle thrust bearing.  If you left it in that may be the whistling you're hearing.

That's how it's been described as being noisy  :nixweiss:
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