HD 2003 got it. I was not trying to make it to tricky but sometimes the obvious is harder to see. Zappos had the snip toe Engineer boots for 152 shipped with free return and they look pretty good to me. I have a square foot so wide sizes are required. They only had one left in a 10 1/2 EE so I jumped on it. Another site has the same ones for a little less no free shipping or return shipping. I have a coupon code SPG1843 for $10 off at Bargain outfitters if anyone wants to use it before 7/31. The guy with the 13A feet must spread his legs or stand a little duck footed to keep from blowing over in the wind eh? LOL [smiley=huepfenjump3.gif] [smiley=huepfenjump3.gif] JP