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cvo1717

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Re: 110 to 117 upgrade
« Reply #30 on: August 23, 2018, 05:44:02 AM »

Moreover, compare the TQ curve over the entire RPM range. That's what air speed does for you. !muy importante!

(Was that dyno verified? Or butt dyno? Butt dynos lie even more than real ones) haha
ps: you can't make more HP without increasing the TQ (or RPM). It's one or the other.

MY BIKE WAS DYNOED ON 2 SEPARATE DYNOS 2 DIFFERENT SHOPS AND WAS WITH IN 2-3 HP AND TQ OF EACH OTHER
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126 hp   131 TQ SAE

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Re: 110 to 117 upgrade
« Reply #31 on: August 23, 2018, 09:12:36 AM »

Stock as they come

The mva

Modified for the build ?

110 all day

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Re: 110 to 117 upgrade
« Reply #32 on: August 23, 2018, 09:57:52 AM »

MY BIKE WAS DYNOED ON 2 SEPARATE DYNOS 2 DIFFERENT SHOPS AND WAS WITH IN 2-3 HP AND TQ OF EACH OTHER

2-3 HP of each other doesn't tell me squat. I like to see the aggregate TQ over the entire RPM range.
You'll get a better idea of what's going on.
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Re: 110 to 117 upgrade
« Reply #33 on: August 23, 2018, 03:04:50 PM »

2-3 HP of each other doesn't tell me squat. I like to see the aggregate TQ over the entire RPM range.
You'll get a better idea of what's going on.
WHATEVER MY BIKE HAULS ASS
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ROSAS HEADS WOODS TW 8-6 CAM
RB RACING 2 INTO 1 PROSTOCK CHALLENGE PIPE
130 HP  134 TQ STD
126 hp   131 TQ SAE

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Re: 110 to 117 upgrade
« Reply #34 on: August 23, 2018, 06:41:52 PM »

Post some dyno sheets if you can. I'd be interested in seeing the differences. thanks
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Re: 110 to 117 upgrade
« Reply #35 on: August 26, 2018, 07:06:28 PM »

Never mind dyno sheets, lets see the VE and timing maps!
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Re: 110 to 117 upgrade
« Reply #36 on: August 27, 2018, 07:46:30 AM »

I guess I did my Stage IV for a different reason than many. I was not trying to get the most HP or TQ possible; I was not trying to get thy fastest bike off the line. What I did want and what I told the Dyno tech, was the smoothest torque curve and the most rideable bike, similar to a luxury performance sports car rather than a muscle car, if that makes sense. What I got was a much more rideable, smoother bike than the 110, quicker and much smoother off the line, more torque and luxurious acceleration, and better gas mileage and cooler temps according to my Fuelpak 3 that I use just a an extra set of gauges. In short a better bike for me.

I know I probably could squeeze more out oh the build but I am happy. To each his own.
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Re: 110 to 117 upgrade
« Reply #37 on: August 27, 2018, 09:46:27 AM »

That was my approach also. I think chasing HP and TQ peaks is a waste for most riders.
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Re: 110 to 117 upgrade
« Reply #38 on: August 27, 2018, 01:35:21 PM »

That was my approach also. I think chasing HP and TQ peaks is a waste for most riders.

Peak numbers are for bench racers and bar talk.

The area under curve is what's important. What good is a big number in a very small RPM range?
Not much.

A nice, wide and flat TQ curve is what you want. That's what you feel while riding. I always laugh when
I see those TQ curves that looks like a big hump on a camel with nothing at the bottom (or top).

When the TQ just goes away and the HP falls way short of what the peak TQ is (We've all seen em) just
makes me cringe. 

FLAT TQ from about 2200 to 5000 is what I like, and it makes for a fun bike to ride. Just pick a gear and
open it up.

Getting all hung up on the peak numbers is foolish and a waste of time. lol
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Re: 110 to 117 upgrade
« Reply #39 on: August 27, 2018, 05:37:30 PM »

Never mind dyno sheets, lets see the VE and timing maps!


Doesn't look like we'll be getting anything.  :nixweiss: "It hauls ass" i guess that's
all we need to know.
« Last Edit: August 27, 2018, 09:16:25 PM by MCE Performance »
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Re: 110 to 117 upgrade
« Reply #40 on: August 27, 2018, 07:09:15 PM »

Ya know all, I had all the motor and head work done, had it dynoed, still was slow heated up sluggish, purchased a HPI throttle body, now the bike runs like a stripped ass ape, my friends say what's your numbers, my answer is when I get on it it pulls my hands off the handle bars, that's fast enough for me.
Also the temps are really nice, no over heating, I'm happy as a lark when riding, also between 2k and 5K is as smooth as a baby's butt!
I also have a Thundermax, so I played the the settings to get the bike where I wanted it with AFR.
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Re: 110 to 117 upgrade
« Reply #41 on: August 27, 2018, 10:47:43 PM »

Ya know all, I had all the motor and head work done, had it dynoed, still was slow heated up sluggish, purchased a HPI throttle body, now the bike runs like a stripped ass ape, my friends say what's your numbers, my answer is when I get on it it pulls my hands off the handle bars, that's fast enough for me.
Also the temps are really nice, no over heating, I'm happy as a lark when riding, also between 2k and 5K is as smooth as a baby's butt!
I also have a Thundermax, so I played the the settings to get the bike where I wanted it with AFR.

Whoever did your tune shouldn't have let it go out the door like that. just sayin.
Glad you got it figured out though. that's just f'ed up.
« Last Edit: August 27, 2018, 10:52:40 PM by MCE Performance »
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Re: 110 to 117 upgrade
« Reply #42 on: August 28, 2018, 05:50:08 AM »



Doesn't look like we'll be getting anything.  :nixweiss: "It hauls ass" i guess that's
all we need to know.
WHY SHOULD I POST THE SHEETS SO YOU GUYS CAN RIP IT APART  AND SAY THINGS LIKE , THATS A HAPPY DYNO, WHAT SOFTWARE IS THAT ,IS IT UP TO DATE,ETC...
LETS  JUST LEAVE IT AT IT HAULS ASS
BTW THE SHEET IS ON HERE IF YOU DO A SEARCH
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2013 CVO BREAKOUT 117 KIT
ROSAS HEADS WOODS TW 8-6 CAM
RB RACING 2 INTO 1 PROSTOCK CHALLENGE PIPE
130 HP  134 TQ STD
126 hp   131 TQ SAE

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Re: 110 to 117 upgrade
« Reply #43 on: August 28, 2018, 12:46:52 PM »

I was interested in the shape of the TQ curve more than anything else, peak numbers don't mean much to me.
No big deal, I was just curious. (I fully understand where you're coming from though)

Have a nice day.

-Matt

PS: 126/131 is not out of line by any means, but yeah, I know how that can go around here ;)
« Last Edit: August 28, 2018, 01:26:24 PM by MCE Performance »
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Re: 110 to 117 upgrade
« Reply #44 on: August 28, 2018, 01:19:07 PM »

IMHO Matt (MCE) is a very smart guy I would listen to his advice
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