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[JCZ]

Stock don't even count. Stock IS Stage 1 as far as I'm concerned, and I stand by my statement. And anything more than that too. Any work done apples to apples, the larger motor will win is all I'm sayin.

Hoist!

It doesn't count to you.....however, it does count to the person that asked the question and started this thread.  To him, everything else is irrelevant.

[JCZ]

I just got 2010 cvo ultra, have already checked into building up motor, with cams, heads ported, air cleaner, and exhaust you will get 106 hp and 113 tq. I've seen the dyno sheets and have drove an 09 that had this done.

Vic

With head work you can get the numbers on a 110 that we were getting on the 103.  My 103 didn't have any head.....just cams, exhaust, air cleaner and tuner.....104 HP and 116 Tq.  I don't think you can get those numbers from 110 by just doing air cleaner, exhaust, cams and tuner.  I believe it takes a little more (like head work).

[victor17]

Yes on the 110 to get those #'s they dealer was porting the heads and changing the pistons for more comp. I think it was 10to1

[skreminegul07]

You can find both stock and Stage 1 numbers for an '09 Serg here. After a brief search in the SEEG area, I found this chart which claims to shows stock, Stage 1, and two additional configurations for the CVO 103. Stock numbers seem to be above what most others reported.

From this chart, it shows 6000RPM which is above factory limits I believe.  A SERT must have been used.

[Chuck Pryor]

Good question.  I don't know of anybody that ever dynoed a stock motor on a 103 or a 110.  As we all know, dynoing is expensive and nobody ever wanted to spend the money for no gain.

Everybody gets a base run (starting point) but that generally after the mod has been performed and before they start tuning it for peak performance.

You can see the stock HP that the MoCo claimed back then vs. what they're claiming now however, that doesn't show torque. 

Seat of the pants torque...... I believe the 110 has more torque than my stock 103 had.  But I think the numbers were greater with a 103 with simple mods such as, air cleaner, exhaust, cams and tuner.  <a href="http://[font=Verdana]My SEEG pumped 104 HP and 113 TQ.&nbsp; I don&#039;t see a 110 doing that with just an air cleaner, exhaust, cams and tuner.[/font]" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">http://[font=Verdana]My SEEG pumped 104 HP and 113 TQ.&nbsp; I don&#039;t see a 110 doing that with just an air cleaner, exhaust, cams and tuner.[/font]</a>   I'll find out in just a couple of weeks.

Those are just about the exact numbers Steve got on his dyno with mine a few weeks ago...  Andrews 54's, 2.25 cores, no cat.  The baseline run used SE Mufflers, stock cams, and it turned out the cat had been drilled... if memory serves be correctly that came up at 90hp and 101 torque. Charts posted in exhaust thread...

[Hoist!]

With head work you can get the numbers on a 110 that we were getting on the 103.  My 103 didn't have any head.....just cams, exhaust, air cleaner and tuner.....104 HP and 116 Tq.  I don't think you can get those numbers from 110 by just doing air cleaner, exhaust, cams and tuner.  I believe it takes a little more (like head work).

Well he didn't ask about cams either! Unless trying to find fault with my replies, is the only purpose of your replies to me here!!!

And a 103 can never do what a 110 can do, APPLES TO APPLES!!!!! Not a difficult concept to get hold of here JC!!!

Hoist!

[Talon]

 

[JCZ]

Well he didn't ask about cams either! Unless trying to find fault with my replies, is the only purpose of your replies to me here!!!

And a 103 can never do what a 110 can do, APPLES TO APPLES!!!!! Not a difficult concept to get hold of here JC!!!

Hoist!

You're right....cams weren't a part of his question and so that part of my reply is irrelevant to him.  "Trying to find fault"....come on Howie, you're not that insecure.  I was simply pointing out (like you did with me) that your reply had nothing to do with his question.  Nothing more said, meant or implied.  I'm sorry you took it that way.

If you want to think a stage 1 110" will out perform a stage 1 103", you're entitle to.

[tennisman]

Regarding someone who said they didn't know anyone who dynoed a before as well and an after mods were made on a 110.  I did.  My numbers were 10% higher both in torque and hp after adding Rineharts, Stage I air, and a SERT.  My final numbers were 91 hp and 110 ft-lb torque.  Max numbers don't tell the whole story, shape of the torque curve was my primary interest.  I rarely run the motor >3000 rpm.
T

[GtreetSlide]

My 2009 stage II 103 (same cams as the Stage I 110, basic difference 7 cubes) will outpull a Stage I 110 CVO. It does have a TTS and Fulsac muffler cores, so still not exactly apples to apples. I would like to see my 103 up next to a 110 with TTS and Fulsac cores for a real comparison. Apples to apples, I don't think the 110 has as much advantage over the 103 as the 103 had over the 88, or 95, but that's just my opinion. Also need to see a couple of years of the 110 without any motor problems before I would trust one. HP doesn't seem to have much bearing on either motor if running the 255 cams. That TQ curve is really what moves it.

jb

[HOGMIKE]

Regarding someone who said they didn't know anyone who dynoed a before as well and an after mods were made on a 110.  I did.  My numbers were 10% higher both in torque and hp after adding Rineharts, Stage I air, and a SERT.  My final numbers were 91 hp and 110 ft-lb torque.  Max numbers don't tell the whole story, shape of the torque curve was my primary interest.  I rarely run the motor >3000 rpm.
T

That's pretty much what we found out here, my 96" my 103" my friends 110".
About 10% plus or minus before and after HP and torque gains.

The 2 smaller engines have the same setup as far as intake and ex. the 110 has Rineharts. All with TTS, otherwise the bikes are stock.
My 103 will stay with the 110, due to total weight differences (mine is a little lighter) AND riders.

Are we comparing apples to apples......well.......yes, not counting the riding part! LOL

[HOGMIKE]

My 2009 stage II 103 (same cams as the Stage I 110, basic difference 7 cubes) will outpull a Stage I 110 CVO. It does have a TTS and Fulsac muffler cores, so still not exactly apples to apples. I would like to see my 103 up next to a 110 with TTS and Fulsac cores for a real comparison. Apples to apples, I don't think the 110 has as much advantage over the 103 as the 103 had over the 88, or 95, but that's just my opinion. Also need to see a couple of years of the 110 without any motor problems before I would trust one. HP doesn't seem to have much bearing on either motor if running the 255 cams. That TQ curve is really what moves it.

jb

That would be interesting, but, remember the 110 IS different, not just the cams.

[JCZ]

Regarding someone who said they didn't know anyone who dynoed a before as well and an after mods were made on a 110.  I did.  My numbers were 10% higher both in torque and hp after adding Rineharts, Stage I air, and a SERT.  My final numbers were 91 hp and 110 ft-lb torque.  Max numbers don't tell the whole story, shape of the torque curve was my primary interest.  I rarely run the motor >3000 rpm.
T

Interesting.  If you don't mind me asking.......why would you pay the money for a dyno pull on a totally stock bike?  Just curious.

I'm equally curious what rpm range you normally ride in?  You said you rarely run the motor in the 3000 rpm range.  Are you normally riding in the 4k to 5k rpm range?

[tennisman]

why would you pay the money for a dyno pull on a totally stock bike?
I wanted to know the degree of improvement over stock.

I'm equally curious what rpm range you normally ride in?
I normally run 2000 - 2800 rpm  range

T

[Heatwave]

I had the dealership do a "bone stock" (exactly as the bike was from the factory) SEUC 110 dyno run before my engine build. It was no additional charge as both the dealer and I wanted to know how much improvement the build would achieve. Here's the bone stock dyno.

77hp & 100 ft/lbs