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CVO Technical => Milwaukee-Eight => Topic started by: acevtwin on July 25, 2017, 03:17:09 PM
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I have a friend with a Non CVO 2017 Streetglide and she just had a Lifter fail in her 107. It has 5,234 miles on it and had just rode up to Michigan from Florida. She was spending a few days here riding around seeing friends when it happened. Lucky to not be on the Highway somewhere.
Anyone else have this happen on a 114?
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So it begins... Millions of miles of testing and they still can't make stuff that lasts. Hope this is an anomaly, but given the history no one will be surprised if it's the norm.
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They are still using the "C" lifters in the M8 engines, so you can't expect different results. Harley would obviously rather accept a higher failure rate with the cheap and low quality lifters than spend a little more for a high quality part. Nothing surprising about that, they've been doing it with a lot of other stuff as well and people keep buying the product.
Jerry
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Just how much could it cost a company that's purchasing about 750k lifters a year (if my math is correct) to upgrade? $25 a bike, if that? Tack that onto the sticker price and move on. When the last of us baby boomers move on to assisted living, HD is going to be holding its crank in its hand, wondering what happened.
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This is getting ridiculous.
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Any dealer will tell you the service dept keeps the doors open, and there's no money in super reliable bikes. :drummer:
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Any dealer will tell you the service dept keeps the doors open, and there's no money in super reliable bikes. :drummer:
Well warranty work is not book time. And if warranty work paid dealers their actual labor rate HD would be bankrupt.
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"Most" will need service outside of the warranty period.
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Just how much could it cost a company that's purchasing about 750k lifters a year (if my math is correct) to upgrade? $25 a bike, if that? Tack that onto the sticker price and move on. When the last of us baby boomers move on to assisted living, HD is going to be holding its crank in its hand, wondering what happened.
I asked Tony N. years ago about that exact thing: He told me they fight with the bean counters over 1/2 of one cent/unit, and some battles were fought better in the SE/accessory catalogs than the production line.
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I asked Tony N. years ago about that exact thing: He told me they fight with the bean counters over 1/2 of one cent/unit, and some battles were fought better in the SE/accessory catalogs than the production line.
This because the SE/Accessory Catalog is a bonus sales to the price of the bike. It does not affect production costs.
:oops: :nixweiss:
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I just hit 10,000 and so far so good. Other ten a new oil pump and a new speedometer that leaked.
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I just hit 10,000 and so far so good. Other than a new oil pump and a new speedometer that leaked.
Ok, everybody all at once in one accord with full voice yell this North toward Milwaukee "THEY ALL DO THAT".... :huepfenlol2: :bananarock: ;D
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I just hit 10,000 and so far so good. Other ten a new oil pump and a new speedometer that leaked.
The speedometer leaked :huepfenlol2: ?
What came out of it (did it leak miles so the odometer ran backwards?)?
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I heard the dealer tell a guy (brand new bike) "go park it out in the sun for awhile".
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The speedometer leaked :huepfenlol2: ?
What came out of it (did it leak miles so the odometer ran backwards?)?
I was going to ask the same question!
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I'm surprised you guys don't know about the long time issues Harley has had with moisture in gauges (and electrical connections, turn signals, Tour Paks and bags, and other nonessential stuff). Moisture was "leaking" into Bill's speedometer, enough to leave stains, and it had to be replaced. It's an all too common issue, especially on a vehicle supposedly designed to be able to handle riding in inclement weather. I'm sure the new CEO is going to insist his team finally fix this stuff.
Jerry ;)
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The speedometer leaked :huepfenlol2: ?
What came out of it (did it leak miles so the odometer ran backwards?)?
Maybe that's why there are so many low mileage bikes out there ??? :nixweiss:
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I don't know how many follow Matt Hotch on Facebook, but....
He's on his annual ride thru the mountains with his friends. His 2017 SEUC has broken down and had to be trailered to a shop twice now. They're not yet to the halfway point of their trip. Internal top end motor failures...
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I just replaced my SE lifters that came in my stage 3 kit after 3,000 miles. Lifter didn't fail however the chrome on the rollers were chipping off and scarring up the cam.
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That isn't chrome :'(
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I'm surprised you guys don't know about the long time issues Harley has had with moisture in gauges (and electrical connections, turn signals, Tour Paks and bags, and other nonessential stuff). Moisture was "leaking" into Bill's speedometer, enough to leave stains, and it had to be replaced. It's an all too common issue, especially on a vehicle supposedly designed to be able to handle riding in inclement weather. I'm sure the new CEO is going to insist his team finally fix this stuff.
Jerry ;)
Just had my 2017 CVO Limited Speedo replaced due to condensation leaving streaks on the inside of the gauge.
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Just had my 2017 CVO Limited Speedo replaced due to condensation leaving streaks on the inside of the gauge. Here's the TA that addresses this issue. Unfortunately the new replacement gauge can still develop condensation. Its a known problem without a permanent resolution yet.
Imagine the sun or hot weather warming the gauge. The air inside the gauge is pressurized because of heat expansion and slowly leaks out. Then you hit it with the cold water and it creates a vacuum and sucks in a tiny bit of water. My first 2007 HD did this, since then I don't spray the instruments with the hose. And in the rain it just doesn't happen to me.
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Imagine the sun or hot weather warming the gauge. The air inside the gauge is pressurized because of heat expansion and slowly leaks out. Then you hit it with the cold water and it creates a vacuum and sucks in a tiny bit of water. My first 2007 HD did this, since then I don't spray the instruments with the hose. And in the rain it just doesn't happen to me.
But it only happens with the speedo why not the Tach? Its the same size gauge in a similar location.
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But it only happens with the speedo why not the Tach? Its the same size gauge in a similar location.
Good point. I dunno. But the same question then on poor design. How is the spedo different?
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I don't know how many follow Matt Hotch on Facebook, but....
He's on his annual ride thru the mountains with his friends. His 2017 SEUC has broken down and had to be trailered to a shop twice now. They're not yet to the halfway point of their trip. Internal top end motor failures...
well, he has warranty! maybe, just a little embarrassment in front of his friends. oh well!! :oops:
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well, he has warranty! maybe, just a little embarrassment in front of his friends. oh well!! :oops:
You probably know this but anyway....When I took my son with me on a 9 day trip to Utah and Arizona every day was very important. Any time spent broke down would have ruined a vacation 8 years in the making. He and I went before he joined the Army and he went to Afghanistan. He an LEO now and this was our first opportunity to ride together.
Some times a breakdown is more than a inconvenience. This trip he was on my Bonneville,I on my 12 CVO SG which broke the shift lever in Monument Valley. We babied it but kept riding.
Lifter failure in 2017 is just unforgivable.