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CVO Technical => Wheels/Tires/Suspension/Brakes => Topic started by: JCZ on September 26, 2004, 11:10:56 PM
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Got the call today. A lady friend of mine was coming back from Street Vibrations, up in Reno. Came around the curve in the mountains, doin about 80 MPH and the traffic was stopped (due to a fatality a mile up the highway)! She got on the binders and front brake locked up......the bike went down and so did she.
She had full leathers on and all she ended up with was a little road rash on the chin, and a broken arm. She didn't know her arm was broke until we got her bike back to Sacramento, to the dealership that I picked mine up from, yesterday.......then I asked her to go get checked out. She was resistant, she just thought it was a little swollen, but no big thing. It was broken.
Damage to the bike was minamal.....derby cover, crash bar, clutch lever, mirror, saddlebags, etc. Looks like the crash bar and the saddle bags did a pretty good job of keepin the bike up off the asphalt.
So.......why does HD not include anti-lock brakes on all their bikes? If they did, she would not have gone down and neither would thousands of other riders, each year. When you guys are talking to factory reps at the large runs or if you call them about an issue please make this issue a part of your conversation.
The technology is there, they just need to incorporate it. That will happen when enough people yell loud enough for it. Write HD a letter. We want anti-lock brakes on all models, going forward.
Thanks guys!
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JC it is out on the police bike this year as an option, not sure if it will make it to the rest of the bikes next year or not. The biggest problem is you lose about a 1/4 to a 1/3 of the right side saddle bag, they got to make it smaller.
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i would expect over time the space required would be less and less
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WHY WOULD YOU LOSE ANY OF THE SADDLEBAG OR ITS SPACE?
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I can't think of a mountain road aound here where it's a good idea to run 80 MPH, especially during Street Vibes, and I was born in Reno. IMO, she should look to her own riding habits, and or braking skill (at that speed, in those conditions). I've ridden 4 different Beemer's at distance, all with ABS, and with motor school skills and I can say, even the ABS probably wouldn't have kept her from going down. Too much speed is a big badge of honor, and I've seen it balyhoed on this site, right up until your moment of truth comes!!! [smiley=blank.gif]
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WHY WOULD YOU LOSE ANY OF THE SADDLEBAG
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PCC I know what you're saying however, let's use my accident as an example.
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JC:
My bad, I wasn't reading the site this weekend (out havin fun) and didn't know about the gathering, but know I was there in spirit. By the way your pics look great (a LIMO????). You're looking good!!! By the way, for next year, Freedom Cycle serves free Tri-tip, sald and beans on Sat.. It's the best you'll ever have.
I know what your saying about the accident and I agree, certain situations are just not avoidable, but hey, here we all are riding Harley's instead of BMW's. Yoou know as well as I do that the MOCO could certainly afford to put a sysytem on its bikes...but it's all about profit.
The remark I made about speed was in reference to some of the posts about doing 115 -125 mph on the SEEG's and how great that was and how well they handle. IMO if people want to ride that fast, we should all book some track time. [smiley=bigok.gif]
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This is a great comment, and my number one gripe at H-D, when I do my Thunder Press coverage of their new model offerings (refer: Jan '04 International Motorcycle Show story).
If one looks at what BMW has accomplished with ABS, it is truly phenomenal, and would do more to prevent needless accidents for new riders than a month of Riders Edge courses!
It is truly Harleys biggest shortcoming, and no excuses need apply!
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This is a great comment, and my number one gripe at H-D, when I do my Thunder Press coverage of their new model offerings (refer: Jan '04 International Motorcycle Show story).
If one looks at what BMW has accomplished with ABS, it is truly phenomenal, and would do more to prevent needless accidents for new riders than a month of Riders Edge courses!
It is truly Harleys biggest shortcoming, and no excuses need apply!
eddieboy,
what are the rest of the gripes?
Mike
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Ahhh......but then if I told you, what would you read Thunder Press for, right?!? [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
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Ahhh......but then if I told you, what would you read Thunder Press for, right?!? [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
eddieboy, I read each and every issue....try to hear everybodies opinion.....what I was asking was whether or not you have additional gripes other than those expressed on this site or if you had additions to what is expressed on this site.
Mike
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Have a friend who has done some testing of the abs with 2 bikes 1 with abs and 1 without abs, the results where not what you would have thought a good rider can accutually stop the bike faster in a controlled skid than abs can(don't know if the system is bleeding off to much pressure?) by 10-20ft. Was not there for the tests but several others where. He sent the results to a few people and got some questions form HD about the results (seem they are not happy with his tests) will ask him if I can post it.
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Mike:
If you look up the discussion item on 'heated grips' from a month or two back, there lo and behold is another...GRIPE!
thanks for reading T.P. !
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Mike:
If you look up the discussion item on 'heated grips' from a month or two back, there lo and behold is another...GRIPE!
thanks for reading T.P. !
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That was a gripe of mine in '02.....some things never change with the MoCo.
Consistancy seems to be the forte'.......lately in an AMF sort of way.
Can't enclose a resistance based heating element without proper cooling....idiots.
M
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eddieb and mike --
Aren't relays used for adding such things as the grips? Doesn't this suffice to aid to cooling patterns for "oveheated" wiring?
Last week, coming up on end of season - shorter days, I wanted to use my halogen fogs every evening, when I wanted - without having them hooked into low or high beams. Good dream I thought... I took apart my headlight, found the halogen wiring on the fogs that worked its way around without using a relay. This was wired by a HD mechanic... Also, the relay was burned out, some tips of wires not even within the relay... Plus, reading through the manuals - color coded wiring "should" indicate only certain wires for certain functions. I have "two" wires for same function. Oh, this could be another gripe of mine... however --
With the need for heated grips, or other HD "power", we need to realize that if we don't contact HD with some of these concerns, we'll all sound like we're just rattling each other.
Use the number for customer service at the Milwaukee Juneau Ave. plant -- Was given to me when I balked at "chrome issues" via a survey... got their attention quickly, and found a "name" behind the phone number.
Jon Selensky
Harley-Davidson Motor Company Customer Service
414-434-4056
Jonathon.Selensky@harley-davidson.com
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eddieb and mike --
Aren't relays used for adding such things as the grips? Doesn't this suffice to aid to cooling patterns for "oveheated" wiring?
Last week, coming up on end of season - shorter days, I wanted to use my halogen fogs every evening, when I wanted - without having them hooked into low or high beams. Good dream I thought... I took apart my headlight, found the halogen wiring on the fogs that worked its way around without using a relay. This was wired by a HD mechanic... Also, the relay was burned out, some tips of wires not even within the relay... Plus, reading through the manuals - color coded wiring "should" indicate only certain wires for certain functions. I have "two" wires for same function. Oh, this could be another gripe of mine... however --
With the need for heated grips, or other HD "power", we need to realize that if we don't contact HD with some of these concerns, we'll all sound like we're just rattling each other.
Use the number for customer service at the Milwaukee Juneau Ave. plant -- Was given to me when I balked at "chrome issues" via a survey... got their attention quickly, and found a "name" behind the phone number.
Jon Selensky
Harley-Davidson Motor Company Customer Service
414-434-4056
Jonathon.Selensky@harley-davidson.com
Marg,
You are correct about the use of relays. The motorcycle industry is reticent in their use because of the additional time and expense to do this.
I am not certain of which wires that you think are redundant......please explain.
The "heated" accessories are having a problem because of primitive circuitry adaptation to the heated accesory issue. The overheating and resultant meltdown are a direct result of purpose built cost accounting.....it is not profitable for the MoCo to "overbuild" any product based upon any future anticipated usage. Additionally, the flat rate book does not allow for this procedure(wiring) to be done correctly....therefore the "shadetree-mechanic" method of tying into the closest available circuit is employed by the dealerships.
I am happy that your concerns expressed to the MoCo through their CS REP have brought you resolution to your chrome problems.
One other possible gripe with the MoCo is that they expect their suppliers to adhere to JIT (just in time). THEY ARE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THIS JIT WHEN DEALING WITH THEIR CUSTOMER BASE.......ESPECIALLY WITH THE CVO'S.
Mike
Mike
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Cool your jets, Mike.
Remember the add on multiple relay pack that was ordered to handle the accessories. Louie ended up with that. I'm not about to pack on any add'l things and wreck the electrical supply.
The band aid that we are given is the "kit" we can purchase when setting up the bike. It involves a series of relays. Thus, keeping a set point available for troubleshooting. If that's not used, and others chose to splice into a main wire without a relay, they are asking for trouble.
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Cool your jets, Mike.
Remember the add on multiple relay pack that was ordered to handle the accessories. Louie ended up with that. I'm not about to pack on any add'l things and wreck the electrical supply.
The band aid that we are given is the "kit" we can purchase when setting up the bike. It involves a series of relays. Thus, keeping a set point available for troubleshooting. If that's not used, and others chose to splice into a main wire without a relay, they are asking for trouble.
WRONG THREAD.......... read response under headlight problems
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This is a great comment, and my number one gripe at H-D, when I do my Thunder Press coverage of their new model offerings (refer: Jan '04 International Motorcycle Show story).
If one looks at what BMW has accomplished with ABS, it is truly phenomenal, and would do more to prevent needless accidents for new riders than a month of Riders Edge courses!
It is truly Harleys biggest shortcoming, and no excuses need apply!
The second paragraph speaks volumns Eddieboy.
And now I know where I recognize your user name........Thunder Press. I read it every month and have had a few letters printed in the editorials. I wrote them regarding this web site.........mentioning that it is a free site and does not accept any advertising (therefore not a threat to Thunder Press or any other publication or web site) and that it's a site for all CVO owners and has a forum for each of the CVO models. I never saw it published however, American Rider Magazine did!
Maybe you can use some of your influence and power of the mighty pen and mention it in your column. In return, I will make a commitment to read you column each month instead of sporadically. [smiley=beerchug.gif]
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Have to think HD has good enginners why would they put out such a system when there are better ones.
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Have to think HD has good engineers why would they put out such a system when there are better ones.
Mr Magoo,