Post by: SDCVO on April 23, 2018, 01:22:32 AM
When the bike first came out I went to 2 BMW dealers and both were horrible though 1 did let me take the bike around the block. I did not like it at all but honestly didn't really give it a chance. This time the dealer in the middle to town got a new sales mgr and he was very cool. He gave me the bike yesterday and let me put over 100 miles on it so I could completely try it out and heres my opinion good and bad and also did some research for whaat I didn't like to see if I could fix it with the aftermarket.
the good-
Obviously the performance of the motor is world class! Blows away my 124 and is just put fun.
Suspension is also fantastic and I have to say much better than even the front and rear Ohlins I have.
the bad- First of all the things that can be fixed:
I have short arms and the bars are a couple inches to short. Couple of aftermarket companies make a risor to fix.
I need a riders back rest and again aftermarket has them including Corbin making custom seats for it
I hate the sound of the BMW stock motor. To me it sounds like a sewing machine and sound on a motorcycle is very important to me. Remus makes an exhaust system that sounds terrific-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67QfljWnVEc
they don't ship to CA but I am sure I could get around that shipping to my sister and then she could ship to me. Dealer said they would install.
So here are the "deal breakers" for me.
Pegs are actually behind you like a sport bike and after spending a couple of hours on the bike I was having issues with my knees. The floor boards on the bike are comfortable but as of now there is no way to move controls to the floorboards
The electronics on the bike are horrible, the nav screen is tiny, outdated (older Garmin unit) and very far away. The BMW toggle wheel system is non intuitive and many "actions" are meant for spoken commands which never works well for me even in a car (my wife has a 2018 BMW X5). The nav screen is so far away and tiny that I really couldn't see the next turn coming up and certainly couldn't read anything on the screen.
The stereo is completely worthless where I couldn't hear anything over about 40MPH though I probably should have put this in the section that can be fixed by the aftermarket. I did call my stereo guy and he assured me he could make it sound as good as my Harleys.
Lastly though this for sure is a personal deal I just don't get that warm fuzzy feeling inside that I get when I see a Harley when I look at the BMW. Bike is basically covered in plastic but I understand this is an acquired taste and I do love BMW cars so maybe I just need time..
Obviously this is a new model for BMW so things will be changing and talking to the dealer, the "deal breakers" for me he was saying was the same for many others. He said everyone is loving ing the floorboards and it makes sense if they really want to grab some of Harleys huge market share they will need to come up with a solution to those controls and doesn't seem like that difficult of a solution. as far as electronics goes, some of the other BMW's already have a large screen on them so I have to believe that will b e coming soon-hopefully next model year.
All this is just my opinion as I unfortunately am forced to come up with a plan B if my motor sumps again. I have looked at the Indian and it just doesn't do anything for me. i even went and tried the new Moto Guzzi which I hated. Ducati Multistrada just not my thing so the BMW is at least a possibility for me and for sure it runs like a stripped ass ape!!
Post by: CHH_Badkarma on April 23, 2018, 03:02:22 AM
Granted I haven't been riding nearly as long as most here, I only started riding in 2000, I have noticed a trend in my short few years riding.Myself being the black sheep in the family when I bought my first Harley as my family had been long-time vintage BMW Riders. One thing I have noticed and I'm sure most of you have as well is that Harley-Davidson sells a lifestyle first and a motorcycle second. I always seemed to think that BMW sells the motorcycle first and the image/lifestyle 2nd. Of course that is just my humble opinion.
BMW makes a damn fine machine, though they do seem a bit sterile in some areas. There is no denying the performance or them being built around a rider and not a lifestyle. Again just my humble opinion.
Post by: iski on April 23, 2018, 07:29:49 AM
I like the stock BMW quiet exhaust better than Remus, that's just an individual preference on sound.
Post by: JCZ on April 23, 2018, 09:16:37 AM
I know how you ride but you didn't talk about any feeling regarding acceleration or in the twistys. Where did you ride to put that 100 miles on? Did you go down by Tecate or up to Hell's Kitchen? I figure 100 miles round trip had to be one of those two places.
You're looking at the model that doesn't have a tour pack. I think I'm going to look at that Grand America model again. It's surprising how advanced those bikes are but so much cheaper than a CVO.
Thanks a bunch for your review buddy! :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: ultrarider123 on April 23, 2018, 09:39:56 AM
I'm with you on the styling part, Alan. Of course styling/lifestyle/chrome doesn't get you home so while there is a lot to be said for it, all of the other positives (160 hp at the top of that list) sure could sway ya...
As for the REMUS exhaust, it changes the entire "atmosphere" around that bike. I, for one, like the sound it makes. I'm guessing that exhaust is much lighter than the stock unit, too.
Post by: scottt on April 23, 2018, 10:22:17 AM
While I still love Harleys I have accepted there limitations. Simply cannot compare to a BMW K1600 motorcycle performance, comfort, handling, braking and features.
While it did pull at my heart moving to the K1600B from a Harley, I have never regretted my decision.
Regarding your concerns, time and miles will help you adjust. If you do want rider floorboards, check this out.
http://www.iliumworks.com/BMW_Motorcycle_Accessories.cfm?pn=26%2D200&pID=65
Regarding the wonder wheel, took me a few months but now really like it. Very effective control and easy to use.
Good luck with your decision. If you do decide to trade I'd recommend do so before Harley introduces the 19's. I expect a touring line frame change, when that happens the value of previous models will drop significantly. One of my bitches has been that Harley upgrades one major component at a time vs designing a total package.
Good luck
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Post by: Dan_Lockwood on April 23, 2018, 10:41:48 AM
Not sure if you're 2-up rider or not, but others in the past have purchased other BMW touring bikes and their BSR was not happy with the air turbulence in the back. The ride was okay, but not the back seat.
Just thought I'd throw that out there. Maybe the B has made improvements on that so it's no longer an issue.
Like Scott said, even though you may not find something user friendly on the first ride, it may grow on you and become second nature later.
As others have said, hope if needed, you can make a good choice that makes you happy.
Post by: JCZ on April 23, 2018, 10:55:15 AM
Give the aftermarket people a few months.....forward controls will be available. I guess this and the two up passenger position is the areas where BMW is lacking in their design and need to catch up to Harley. :P
Alan is a solo rider so he doesn't need to be concerned with that.
Post by: scottt on April 23, 2018, 10:56:45 AM
Alan, nice review.The new K1600 B and GA have a more traditional seating area for the passenger. Similar to Harley touring models. The passengers sit much higher on the GTL and GT models.
Not sure if you're 2-up rider or not, but others in the past have purchased other BMW touring bikes and their BSR was not happy with the air turbulence in the back. The ride was okay, but not the back seat.
Just thought I'd throw that out there. Maybe the B has made improvements on that so it's no longer an issue.
Like Scott said, even though you may not find something user friendly on the first ride, it may grow on you and become second nature later.
As others have said, hope if needed, you can make a good choice that makes you happy.
In my humble opinion the GA is a fantastic model for those that generally ride two up, the B for those that generally ride one up.
These bikes also have adjustable suspension depending on one up, one up with luggage and two up. All with the flip of a switch. They also have a power windshield making it easy to control wind on your passenger. Finally, you have heated seats that are fully adjustable as a standard feature.
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Post by: scottt on April 23, 2018, 11:01:39 AM
Scott, the new models, the 1600B and the Grand America (same bike, the Grand America has a tour pack that is not removable and tail lights are a bit different) both come with floorboards and actually, at a very comfortable angle (more so than Harley) even for a tall rider. However, they do not come with forward controls.....yet.The B and GA factory floorboards are really highway boards. The aftermarket riderboards are more like Harleys.
Give the aftermarket people a few months.....forward controls will be available. I guess this and the two up passenger position is the areas where BMW is lacking in their design and need to catch up to Harley.
Alan is a solo rider so he doesn't need to be concerned with that.
http://www.iliumworks.com/BMW_Motorcycle_Accessories.cfm?pn=26%2D200&pID=65
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Post by: JCZ on April 23, 2018, 09:02:00 PM
They just got both models in and they haven't even been serviced (he said they have to add fluids?). He's going to call me when they are ready and I'll go back over for a test ride of both models.
Post by: SDCVO on April 23, 2018, 10:58:52 PM
OK Alan, you can tell your wife it's my fault.....just blame it on me. :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:The demo they had was not the GA but that would definitely be what I would get though unfortunately BMW has limited the GA to 100MPH due to the trunk (they call it a top case) in the wind tunnel tests. I rode up to Julian then down to the border and did hit it hard in the twisties and it performed incredible.
I know how you ride but you didn't talk about any feeling regarding acceleration or in the twistys. Where did you ride to put that 100 miles on? Did you go down by Tecate or up to Hell's Kitchen? I figure 100 miles round trip had to be one of those two places.
You're looking at the model that doesn't have a tour pack. I think I'm going to look at that Grand America model again. It's surprising how advanced those bikes are but so much cheaper than a CVO.
Thanks a bunch for your review buddy! :2vrolijk_21:
I get my Streetglide back this week and will start the da== break-in again this weekend. I really do hope they have figured it out this time and if it ends up being ok I will wait till the 19 and see what BMW does with the nav screen and if the aftermarket comes up with forward controls. If Streetglide sumps again everything changes and might end up with "hurting knees"..
And yes, I will blame you!!!
Post by: JCZ on April 23, 2018, 11:53:42 PM
Post by: Phantom309 on April 24, 2018, 12:10:10 AM
Why not try a ride on the new Gold Wing while you're trying to decide?
Post by: SDCVO on April 24, 2018, 12:52:24 AM
Though the best dirt bike I ever had was the Honda Elsinore back in the day I just have no interest in getting a Honda now. I do understand quality wise its probably the best of the bunch but just can't get my head around riding one.
Why not try a ride on the new Gold Wing while you're trying to decide?
Though going from a Harley to a BMW is definitely a leap, going to a Honda is a jump off a cliff..
Post by: muddypaws on April 24, 2018, 07:37:01 AM
Post by: JCZ on April 24, 2018, 08:12:24 AM
Though the best dirt bike I ever had was the Honda Elsinore back in the day I just have no interest in getting a Honda now. I do understand quality wise its probably the best of the bunch but just can't get my head around riding one.
Though going from a Harley to a BMW is definitely a leap, going to a Honda is a jump off a cliff..
I concur yer honor!
Post by: mark on April 24, 2018, 07:48:03 PM
I've determined there is no perfect motorcycle - there's always something you'd like to change. I got rid of my CVO SG due to engine issues and bought an IM Roadmaster. If the K1600B had been out in '16 I would have strongly consider one. But the Roadmaster is a great riding bike - best I've owned. Are there things I'd change on the RM? Sure. But all things considered, I now have "confidence of reliability," and don't worry about being stranded on a trip due to an engine failure.
Good luck.
Post by: SDCVO on April 25, 2018, 12:08:41 AM
SDCVO, I did find it unusual you seem to prefer HD type styling, riding position, Infotainment, etc., but didn't like the Indian. Especially since the Indian is more akin to the HD - riding position, styling, Ride Command, etc.No doubt reliability on the new M8 has proven to me at least to be horrible. Reason I don't care for the Indian is 2 fold, I want a fairing when I ride and I just personally don't care for the look of the Indian fairing but thats why God makes chocolate and vanilla. 2nd is my riding style is higher in the revs which is why I thought the stage 4 would be perfect, when I rode the Indian I felt like it fell off hard up in the revs. No doubt the BMW just never falls off and the rev limiter is through the roof!
I've determined there is no perfect motorcycle - there's always something you'd like to change. I got rid of my CVO SG due to engine issues and bought an IM Roadmaster. If the K1600B had been out in '16 I would have strongly consider one. But the Roadmaster is a great riding bike - best I've owned. Are there things I'd change on the RM? Sure. But all things considered, I now have "confidence of reliability," and don't worry about being stranded on a trip due to an engine failure.
Good luck.
Post by: Fullsac Performance on May 06, 2018, 08:22:34 AM
Steve@fullsac.com
These are my three favorite 1600B videos from three complete opposite guys who love the same bike. There is no denying the wow factor of this bike even sitting still.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phnyFY_aYGY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UnuV5aMNZs&t=412s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvXcVBop2Ng
Post by: JCZ on May 06, 2018, 09:08:31 AM
We know that a few CVO owners have already crossed over and I believe that with these two new models out.....more will follow suit. Purely for the reliability of the BMW if for no other reason. Just need a rider's backrest for those of us that have back issues.
The first video was a bit of a challenge to follow due to his accent and the second video was entertaining to watch but they're both saying the same thing......no other bagger comes close to these two in every regard. I look forward to following your progress on what ever model you end up with Steve and if it's not on this forum please keep us posted where you'll be posting?
Post by: Fullsac Performance on May 06, 2018, 10:13:03 AM
With my long legs, I was not able to get past my hips locking up when I test rode the 1600 GT a few years ago. The 1600 B and the Grand America are the first BMWs that I've been able to sit on without my hips locking up so that's the difference for me.
We know that a few CVO owners have already crossed over and I believe that with these two new models out.....more will follow suit. Purely for the reliability of the BMW if for no other reason. Just need a rider's backrest for those of us that have back issues.
The first video was a bit of a challenge to follow due to his accent and the second video was entertaining to watch but they're both saying the same thing......no other bagger comes close to these two in every regard. I look forward to following your progress on what ever model you end up with Steve and if it's not on this forum please keep us posted where you'll be posting?
Hi JC!
No matter what model I start with, foot position is going to have to get modified. I will have less issues cutting up a used 1600 than a new one. The GT having no speed limiter will be better for dyno testing as I will be able to make full pulls in 6th gear. I'm excited to get started. I have one in Vegas and one in Phoenix I'm negotiating on. I will keep you posted.
Steve@fullsac.com
Post by: SDCVO on May 06, 2018, 09:06:16 PM
Hi JC!Boy Steve,I hope you can figure out the riding position issue with this bike as no one has and for many people (like me) its whats stopping the purchase!
No matter what model I start with, foot position is going to have to get modified. I will have less issues cutting up a used 1600 than a new one. The GT having no speed limiter will be better for dyno testing as I will be able to make full pulls in 6th gear. I'm excited to get started. I have one in Vegas and one in Phoenix I'm negotiating on. I will keep you posted.
Steve@fullsac.com
Post by: JCZ on May 06, 2018, 10:10:17 PM
Boy Steve,I hope you can figure out the riding position issue with this bike as no one has and for many people (like me) its whats stopping the purchase!
X 2 :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: JCZ on May 06, 2018, 10:13:55 PM
http://www.corbin.com/bmw/bmwk16bdte.shtml
Post by: SDCVO on May 06, 2018, 10:45:43 PM
Mike has already made a seat for it that has backrests for the BSaw that, anyone comes up with forward controls I may be in especially after today! I did watch that video Steve posted and did see that you really don't need to use rear brake lever so kinda half way there.You would think someone would come up with forward controls especially after going on the BMW forum and seeing so many people complaining about it!
http://www.corbin.com/bmw/bmwk16bdte.shtml
My problem is now my knees just cant take the peg position for a long ride which is mostly what I do as you know.
As you always say, "getting old aint for sissies"!
Post by: blacktop on May 07, 2018, 07:43:24 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_p6s_KiBvk
Post by: JCZ on May 07, 2018, 08:29:43 AM
Here is an interesting comparison between the HD Roadglide and the BMW 1600B.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_p6s_KiBvk
Really liked this video at 5:23 into it. :2vrolijk_21:
But they both forgot to mention that the BMW doesn't have the Goldwing fairing that the Road Glide has. :P
Post by: Fullsac Performance on May 07, 2018, 12:22:57 PM
Saw that, anyone comes up with forward controls I may be in especially after today! I did watch that video Steve posted and did see that you really don't need to use rear brake lever so kinda half way there.You would think someone would come up with forward controls especially after going on the BMW forum and seeing so many people complaining about it!
My problem is now my knees just cant take the peg position for a long ride which is mostly what I do as you know.
As you always say, "getting old aint for sissies"!
I have the same issue with my left knee only, it can not stay bent in the foot peg position for more than block or two. For the BMWs with the shift assist, an electric actuator like the Pingle or something similar could be used and the trigger placed on the left board or thumb. I think an up down toggle on the left thumb would be easy to get used to. No sure if there's room for any more junk on the handlebar?
Steve@fullsac.com
Post by: DesertHOG on May 07, 2018, 01:25:31 PM
1. Driver Pegs - https://www.suburban-machinery.com/K1600GTL.html (https://www.suburban-machinery.com/K1600GTL.html)
Lowered by 1.5" - my knees really appreciate the new position. It puts you a bit closer to the ground but I am not that aggressive in the turns. My biggest issue is that not very often the front of my foot hits the payment. Not sure if these would for on the "B" model.
2. Seat/Backrest - stock seat is definitely not a long distance performer. After 250 miles my ass hurt something terrible. I opted for a Russel Day Long
3. Handlebars - the GT is a low and aggressive handlebar. I opted for the highly adjustable Helibars. https://www.helibars.com/products/HeliBars%C2%AE-Horizon%E2%84%A2-ST-multi%252daxis-adjustable-handlebars-for-BMW-K1600GTL-%7B47%7D-K1600GT/591.html (https://www.helibars.com/products/HeliBars%C2%AE-Horizon%E2%84%A2-ST-multi%252daxis-adjustable-handlebars-for-BMW-K1600GTL-%7B47%7D-K1600GT/591.html)
4. Riding position - frankly after the new seat, pegs and handlebars - I prefer the riding position on the BMW over the HD lounger position. All my weight is centered over the top of the bike and makes for enhanced rider control.
5. Height - yes, this bike works better for those who are not "inseam challenged". You can get the seats lowered but it's still tip-toe land for some riders. Here's a guy with a solution.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YId9Pr_RlIo
6. Sound - I am fine with the sewing machine sound. I got to the point that even my 2.0" Fullsac baffles were too loud for me (sorry Steve, I'll try 1.75" the next time).
7. Stereo - yea, it sucks at high speed. I went to the SENA Bluetooth helmet speakers and love those. It's not high fidelity but works for me.
Post by: Fullsac Performance on May 07, 2018, 02:03:47 PM
I have a 2014 BMW K1600GT. Here are my solutions to some of the stated issues.
1. Driver Pegs - https://www.suburban-machinery.com/K1600GTL.html (https://www.suburban-machinery.com/K1600GTL.html)
Lowered by 1.5" - my knees really appreciate the new position. It puts you a bit closer to the ground but I am not that aggressive in the turns. My biggest issue is that not very often the front of my foot hits the payment. Not sure if these would for on the "B" model.
2. Seat/Backrest - stock seat is definitely not a long distance performer. After 250 miles my ass hurt something terrible. I opted for a Russel Day Long
3. Handlebars - the GT is a low and aggressive handlebar. I opted for the highly adjustable Helibars. https://www.helibars.com/products/HeliBars%C2%AE-Horizon%E2%84%A2-ST-multi%252daxis-adjustable-handlebars-for-BMW-K1600GTL-%7B47%7D-K1600GT/591.html (https://www.helibars.com/products/HeliBars%C2%AE-Horizon%E2%84%A2-ST-multi%252daxis-adjustable-handlebars-for-BMW-K1600GTL-%7B47%7D-K1600GT/591.html)
4. Riding position - frankly after the new seat, pegs and handlebars - I prefer the riding position on the BMW over the HD lounger position. All my weight is centered over the top of the bike and makes for enhanced rider control.
5. Height - yes, this bike works better for those who are not "inseam challenged". You can get the seats lowered but it's still tip-toe land for some riders. Here's a guy with a solution.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YId9Pr_RlIo
6. Sound - I am fine with the sewing machine sound. I got to the point that even my 2.0" Fullsac baffles were too loud for me (sorry Steve, I'll try 1.75" the next time).
7. Stereo - yea, it sucks at high speed. I went to the SENA Bluetooth helmet speakers and love those. It's not high fidelity but works for me.
Thanks for your input Simon! Your motivating me!
Steve@fullsac.com
Post by: DesertHOG on May 07, 2018, 04:30:25 PM
Thanks for your input Simon! Your motivating me!
Steve@fullsac.com
Get a used K1600GT or even the GTL, if you like the top case. The power, torque, and handling just make for an awesome ride. If you look around you can find a low mileage 2013-2015 at some pretty decent prices. I spent $15k on my 2014 about 18 months and it only had 5k miles. Now it has 33k miles.
Simon
Post by: Fullsac Performance on May 07, 2018, 06:44:30 PM
Get a used K1600GT or even the GTL, if you like the top case. The power, torque, and handling just make for an awesome ride. If you look around you can find a low mileage 2013-2015 at some pretty decent prices. I spent $15k on my 2014 about 18 months and it only had 5k miles. Now it has 33k miles.
Simon
That's awesome you are able to ride so much. I have my eye on this GT with 22K on it.
https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/mcy/6575443765.html
Steve@fullsac.com
Post by: Twolanerider on May 07, 2018, 10:41:39 PM
That's awesome you are able to ride so much. I have my eye on this GT with 22K on it.
https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/mcy/6575443765.html
Steve@fullsac.com
Oh my gawd that's an ugly exhaust can :huepfenlol2: !
Like the rest of those bikes a lot. But that muffler.... :puke: .
Post by: Fullsac Performance on May 08, 2018, 08:37:54 AM
Oh my gawd that's an ugly exhaust can :huepfenlol2: !
Like the rest of those bikes a lot. But that muffler.... :puke: .
The strongest metal is no match for the weakest mind. I know a guy with a BFH who can fix those mufflers and a few other misplaced parts. Poor bike looks like it got rear ended by a truck.
Steve@fullsac.com
Post by: Twolanerider on May 08, 2018, 01:53:42 PM
The strongest metal is no match for the weakest mind. I know a guy with a BFH who can fix those mufflers and a few other misplaced parts. Poor bike looks like it got rear ended by a truck.
Steve@fullsac.com
BFH and a torch fix anything!
Post by: SDCVO on May 11, 2018, 12:01:56 AM
That's awesome you are able to ride so much. I have my eye on this GT with 22K on it.Steve, you get the bike?
https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/mcy/6575443765.html
Steve@fullsac.com
Post by: Fullsac Performance on May 11, 2018, 09:36:15 AM
Steve, you get the bike?
I was just about to pull the trigger on the GT and I ran across this 2018 1600B with less than 500 miles on it and grabbed it! It's paid for, the deal is done but I won't see it in my shop for about two weeks as it's 1300 miles away. A good friend of mine hauls bikes for Eagle rider, so it will get a free ride home but I have to be patient. :coolblue: Then straight to the dyno room! I'm sure a few are curious, I paid 21K OTD. Bang for the buck is off the chart, couldn't pass it up. No, my Harley is not for sale and I'm not buying a fluorescent Cal Trans jacket or a Power Ranger suit. But I can't wait to get my hands on it!
Steve@fullsac.com
Will from Dream Cycles does a good job of explaining the features.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=9&v=hnGq03dU45c
Post by: Twolanerider on May 11, 2018, 09:45:28 AM
^^ BAM !!! ^^
(big ass muffler)
(big ass muffler)
Post by: JCZ on May 11, 2018, 12:21:19 PM
Post by: Fullsac Performance on May 11, 2018, 12:53:15 PM
Steve, if it's anywhere near me here in Rapid City, SD.......I'm not doing anything......I could bring it to you right quick. As a matter of fact, doesn't much matter where it's at. Just wanna help a brother out! :P
It's in Marshfield, Missouri. About 900 miles from you.
Steve
Post by: Twolanerider on May 11, 2018, 01:06:40 PM
It's in Marshfield, Missouri. About 900 miles from you.
Steve
It's an hour from me. Want someone to at least lay eyes on?
Post by: Fullsac Performance on May 11, 2018, 01:15:10 PM
It's an hour from me. Want someone to at least lay eyes on?
Thanks for the offer. I had a lot of detailed pics sent to me, I'm confident it's as described.
Steve
Post by: Fired00d on May 11, 2018, 02:11:54 PM
.... I'm not buying a fluorescent Cal Trans jacket or a Power Ranger suit...:huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
Steve@fullsac.com
But will you still do and post pics/video of you doing wheelies on it? :P
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: mark on May 11, 2018, 03:19:04 PM
Post by: Fullsac Performance on May 11, 2018, 04:43:26 PM
I'm seriously eyeing one of these...post some feedback when you get it.
I plan on it! Hopefully I can post in this "other Topic" section about the Beemer with out ruffling any feathers. I think we will have more interest in the CVO forum about the "B" model BMW than in the actual 1600 BMW forum. I have spent some time over there checking things out and the crowd seemed somewhat divided on the new B model. I think more than a few of the purist disapprove of BMW catering to the "Bagger crowd". One GTL owner even commented,"if I ride the B model, do I have to dress up like a Pirate?" I was LMAO, but I think he was making a serious point that he was not a fan of the new marketing direction BMW is taking and the potential crowd it may draw. Relax Skippy, I'm sure none of the new B owners will show up at one of your social functions for tea and crumpets. lol..
Steve@fullsac.com
Post by: JCZ on May 11, 2018, 05:03:09 PM
I'm seriously eyeing one of these...post some feedback when you get it.
I think there's more than a few of us seriously "eyeing" one of these.
Post by: mark on May 11, 2018, 08:04:05 PM
I plan on it! Hopefully I can post in this "other Topic" section about the Beemer with out ruffling any feathers. I think we will have more interest in the CVO forum about the "B" model BMW than in the actual 1600 BMW forum. I have spent some time over there checking things out and the crowd seemed somewhat divided on the new B model. I think more than a few of the purist disapprove of BMW catering to the "Bagger crowd". One GTL owner even commented,"if I ride the B model, do I have to dress up like a Pirate?" I was LMAO, but I think he was making a serious point that he was not a fan of the new marketing direction BMW is taking and the potential crowd it may draw. Relax Skippy, I'm sure none of the new B owners will show up at one of your social functions for tea and crumpets. lol..
Steve@fullsac.com
This is probably how the old crusty knuckle and panhead guys felt in the late 80s/early 90s when the lawyers and dentists started buying Harleys.
Post by: JCZ on May 11, 2018, 08:32:47 PM
This is probably how the old crusty knuckle and panhead guys felt in the late 80s/early 90s when the lawyers and dentists started buying Harleys.
The reliable EVO motor came out in 1984 and that's when all the white collar guys realized they don't have to work on them to own one. :P
Now, those of us that were riding knuckles, pans and shovels are to damn old and broken up to work on em so we're damn happy that they're more reliable......although it seems like that pendulum is heading back the other way.
Post by: SDCVO on May 11, 2018, 11:12:00 PM
I went yesterday and rode it again for about an hour and though I am still a bit worried about the peg position, the performance of the bike is just really fun and insane!
I am counting on you Steve to come up with some mods for this bike so I am thrilled to hear you bought one and will be "doing your thing" here soon!
I do intend to put on the Remus exhaust system and either find a way to modify the stock seat for a drivers backrest or get a aftermarket. I will say I am totally excited about the bike now that I gave the dealer my 5K deposit and am committed!
Only thing I am going back and forth on is whether to get the GA with the trunk (they call it a top case) or regular bagger. I did tell them I wanted the GA but he told me I could change my mind up till they actually punch the order in as they pick either when they get the allocation to order. I love the convenience of having the trunk but like the look better without. Thoughts?
Th
Post by: JCZ on May 11, 2018, 11:55:01 PM
Corbin makes a seat with a backrest for the Bagger. The seat is not the same for the B and the GA, even though it's the same drive train.
Post by: SDCVO on May 12, 2018, 12:07:08 AM
Alan when is the 2019 supposed to come out?they think it will be Sept. You sent me that pic of the Corbin which looks awesome but I had a Corbin on my softail and I always struggled with comfort. I saw that Simon posted that he did a Russell Daylong seat on his K1600GT and I have always heard they are crazy comfortable but I am not sure about their looks. My softail was a 96 so I assume the Corbins have improved drastically?
Corbin makes a seat with a backrest for the Bagger. The seat is not the same for the B and the GA, even though it's the same drive train.
I did not know they had different seats, do you know the difference?
Post by: JCZ on May 12, 2018, 12:12:11 AM
they think it will be Sept. You sent me that pic of the Corbin which looks awesome but I had a Corbin on my softail and I always struggled with comfort. I saw that Simon posted that he did a Russell Daylong seat on his K1600GT and I have always heard they are crazy comfortable but I am not sure about their looks. My softail was a 96 so I assume the Corbins have improved drastically?
I did not know they had different seats, do you know the difference?
I do. They're making one that's not out yet but it's for taller guys and it will move you up and back just a bit to make the pegs a more comfortable fit. http://www.corbin.com/bmw/bmwk16bhdte.shtml
And then when you get that seat you're going to need the bars back and up just a bit to be more comfortable.....
https://www.helibars.com/products/HeliBars%C2%AE-Tour-Performance%E2%84%A2-handlebar-risers-for-BMW-K1600B-Bagger/648.html
Post by: SDCVO on May 12, 2018, 01:33:08 AM
I do. They're making one that's not out yet but it's for taller guys and it will move you up and back just a bit to make the pegs a more comfortable fit. http://www.corbin.com/bmw/bmwk16bhdte.shtmlThats great, thanks!
And then when you get that seat you're going to need the bars back and up just a bit to be more comfortable.....
https://www.helibars.com/products/HeliBars%C2%AE-Tour-Performance%E2%84%A2-handlebar-risers-for-BMW-K1600B-Bagger/648.html
Post by: Fullsac Performance on May 12, 2018, 10:16:29 AM
Well after saying i really wasn't interested in the bike when JC first put it in my ear (he is such a bad influence..) to going out and testing it when I started this thread, I just gave my deposit today to order the dealers first 19 they get. Since they are obviously made in Germany the lag time between dealer ordering and delivery is a few months so they should be ordering fairly soon. I am hoping they will put the TFT screen they currently have on their GS model on the bagger (screen is awesome).
I went yesterday and rode it again for about an hour and though I am still a bit worried about the peg position, the performance of the bike is just really fun and insane!
I am counting on you Steve to come up with some mods for this bike so I am thrilled to hear you bought one and will be "doing your thing" here soon!
I do intend to put on the Remus exhaust system and either find a way to modify the stock seat for a drivers backrest or get a aftermarket. I will say I am totally excited about the bike now that I gave the dealer my 5K deposit and am committed!
Only thing I am going back and forth on is whether to get the GA with the trunk (they call it a top case) or regular bagger. I did tell them I wanted the GA but he told me I could change my mind up till they actually punch the order in as they pick either when they get the allocation to order. I love the convenience of having the trunk but like the look better without. Thoughts?
Th
Pulling the trigger! I like it. You may want to hold off on that Remus, Lol.. I was all over the GA model until I found out it's limited to 101 MPH. That's not safe for passing, IMHO. Don't know if it's possible, but I'm going to look at using the Harley quick attach mounts on the back of the B. How cool would it be to use our Harley backrest, Tourpack ect on the B?
Steve@fullsac.com
Post by: JCZ on May 12, 2018, 11:27:26 AM
Pulling the trigger! I like it. You may want to hold off on that Remus, Lol.. I was all over the GA model until I found out it's limited to 101 MPH. That's not safe for passing, IMHO. Don't know if it's possible, but I'm going to look at using the Harley quick attach mounts on the back of the B. How cool would it be to use our Harley backrest, Tourpack ect on the B?
Steve@fullsac.com
I was thinking that you may possibly be the first one to find a go around on that 101 mph limiter. It's the same drive train so I'm thinking the speed limiter has to be done electronically. I heard rumor while I was at the dealership in Daytona Beach that the GM (or owner or somebody there) is a speed rat and is already trying to work on a go around of that speed limiter on the GA. I don't think it will be long and I totally agree with you Steve.....that limiter could get somebody into a lot of trouble in a passing situation....that was my first thought also.
Talking to the factory reps there in Daytona, they said that the speed limiter is a result of tests in the wind tunnel with the GA. I suggested that they should have left the speed limit alone and instead, made that top box (tour pack) quick release.....that they'd sell a lot more of them for both the fact it doesn't have a limiter and for the fact that the top box is quick release.
For the long haul rides, I'd like the GA but for running around the Black Hills here, I'd like the B. On the fb page, there's a guy in Australia that's already designed and had made a back rest that could easily support a fiberglass top box. He said it's made out of ss. Not sure why he went that route but could be made for a lot less..... https://www.facebook.com/groups/1402765506477886/
Post by: mark on May 12, 2018, 02:05:08 PM
Post by: Boatman on May 12, 2018, 05:45:46 PM
Post by: DesertHOG on May 12, 2018, 07:31:55 PM
I went yesterday and rode it again for about an hour and though I am still a bit worried about the peg position, the performance of the bike is just really fun and insane!
Here's your peg lowering solution. This is a solid product and they offer one for a 2018 K 1600B.
https://www.suburban-machinery.com/K1600GTL.html (https://www.suburban-machinery.com/K1600GTL.html)
DH
Post by: Fullsac Performance on May 12, 2018, 07:51:03 PM
Here's your peg lowering solution. This is a solid product and they offer one for a 2018 K 1600B.
https://www.suburban-machinery.com/K1600GTL.html (https://www.suburban-machinery.com/K1600GTL.html)
DH
That's a step in the right direction, but I need to go forward as well.
Steve@fullsac.com
Post by: DesertHOG on May 12, 2018, 08:11:16 PM
That's a step in the right direction, but I need to go forward as well.
Steve@fullsac.com
Your pegs forward? Or do you need to go forward because of the handlebars? The Helibars solve that problem. If you are trying to shift your feet forward then the only other solution I know of it is a running board replacement for the pegs or putting pegs on a crashbar.
Here is Ilium Works running board;
http://www.iliumworks.com/BMW_Motorcycle_Accessories.cfm?pn=26-200&pID=65 (http://www.iliumworks.com/BMW_Motorcycle_Accessories.cfm?pn=26-200&pID=65)
Here is a highway peg solution for Ilium Guard bar - they make one for BMW guard bar too.
http://www.iliumworks.com/BMW_Motorcycle_Accessories.cfm?pn=19-500BL&pID=95 (http://www.iliumworks.com/BMW_Motorcycle_Accessories.cfm?pn=19-500BL&pID=95)
Good luck,
Simon
Post by: JCZ on May 12, 2018, 09:09:24 PM
That's a step in the right direction, but I need to go forward as well.
Steve@fullsac.com
Yes, forward for me, too.
Post by: SDCVO on May 13, 2018, 01:10:11 AM
That's a step in the right direction, but I need to go forward as well.I have until they get their first allocation before I have to pick the GA or just a B. I figure at least a month, maybe 2. Im counting on you Steve to either figure out a way to add a tour pak (or top case..) or a work around on the limiter. When I was out riding today I paid attention to how close I ever got to 100 and admittedly I was in the low 90's a couple of times when passing. I little part of me thinks knowing there is a limiter might not be bad but of course if I can get rid of it I would in a heartbeat.
Steve@fullsac.com
I have faith in you Steve, not just for those things but all the mods I know you will be developing!!
Post by: SDCVO on May 13, 2018, 01:15:50 AM
With Steve now having one that he will be using for R & D, I am hoping we can "CVO" these babies...
Post by: Fullsac Performance on May 13, 2018, 05:19:45 AM
I have until they get their first allocation before I have to pick the GA or just a B. I figure at least a month, maybe 2. Im counting on you Steve to either figure out a way to add a tour pak (or top case..) or a work around on the limiter. When I was out riding today I paid attention to how close I ever got to 100 and admittedly I was in the low 90's a couple of times when passing. I little part of me thinks knowing there is a limiter might not be bad but of course if I can get rid of it I would in a heartbeat.
I have faith in you Steve, not just for those things but all the mods I know you will be developing!!
Alan
I'm not going to be much help with the speed limiter. Software and computer hacking is out of my very narrow window of abilities. I will make it sound good, I promise you that. Honestly, the 101 speed limiter really concerns me. It's a potential safety problem passing solo or with a group of bikes. You don't want to be the guy who stops accelerating mid pack when the group rolls it on to go around a semi. Especially if you have JC riding behind you! I believe mounting a Tour pack on a B model will be handled by the aftermarket long before the speed limiter is hacked on the GA.
Steve@fullsac.com
Post by: mark on May 13, 2018, 08:41:53 AM
Well after saying i really wasn't interested in the bike when JC first put it in my ear (he is such a bad influence..) to going out and testing it when I started this thread, I just gave my deposit today to order the dealers first 19 they get. Since they are obviously made in Germany the lag time between dealer ordering and delivery is a few months so they should be ordering fairly soon. I am hoping they will put the TFT screen they currently have on their GS model on the bagger (screen is awesome).
I went yesterday and rode it again for about an hour and though I am still a bit worried about the peg position, the performance of the bike is just really fun and insane!
I am counting on you Steve to come up with some mods for this bike so I am thrilled to hear you bought one and will be "doing your thing" here soon!
I do intend to put on the Remus exhaust system and either find a way to modify the stock seat for a drivers backrest or get a aftermarket. I will say I am totally excited about the bike now that I gave the dealer my 5K deposit and am committed!
Only thing I am going back and forth on is whether to get the GA with the trunk (they call it a top case) or regular bagger. I did tell them I wanted the GA but he told me I could change my mind up till they actually punch the order in as they pick either when they get the allocation to order. I love the convenience of having the trunk but like the look better without. Thoughts?
Th
The bike looks so much better without the trunk...as most bikes do. I only need a trunk when taking a bike trip, so I'd go with the B, which avoids the problem with the speed limiter on the GA. Surely, the aftermarket will come out with a trunk, or a mount could be fabricated for a BMW trunk.
Post by: DesertHOG on May 13, 2018, 10:01:33 AM
Post by: JCZ on May 13, 2018, 10:46:12 AM
A 101 limit on the B is stupid. My GT isn’t limited and will do 160 or so I’ve been told. I’ve had my big ass up to 138 out in the middle of the desert. IMHO you need to be able to use that great HP and TQ. Otherwise you might as well buy a Harley. :) :huepfenjump3:
Simon, the B doesn't have a speed limiter. It's the GA that has the speed limiter. The factory rep that I talked with in Daytona said that the due to the top box, the bike started becoming unstable at speeds above 101 mph in the wind tunnel. I told him that most of us don't ride in a wind tunnel. It would be interesting to see the real story on that....
By the way, looking at their forums and facebook groups, many GT owners crossing over. One post talks about all the Harley owners that are crossing over (by their own admission) but was surprised at how many GT and GTL owners have crossed over.
Lastly, Steve was exaggerating in his comments above. I'm a dainty rider..... 8)
Post by: Fullsac Performance on May 13, 2018, 11:15:17 AM
Simon, the B doesn't have a speed limiter. It's the GA that has the speed limiter. The factory rep that I talked with in Daytona said that the due to the top box, the bike started becoming unstable at speeds above 101 mph in the wind tunnel. I told him that most of us don't ride in a wind tunnel. It would be interesting to see the real story on that....
By the way, looking at their forums and facebook groups, many GT owners crossing over. One post talks about all the Harley owners that are crossing over (by their own admission) but was surprised at how many GT and GTL owners have crossed over.
Lastly, Steve was exaggerating in his comments above. I'm a dainty rider..... 8)
Actually the B model does have a speed limiter but its much higher. BMW has it listed at "over 125 MPH". I read somewhere else that it's 134 MPH. Plenty fast enough for passing. Shortly after I get mine I will let you know the real number.:2vrolijk_21:
Steve@fullsac.com
Post by: DesertHOG on May 13, 2018, 11:40:33 AM
Lastly, Steve was exaggerating in his comments above. I'm a dainty rider..... 8)
You're as dainty as a sledgehammer :)
Post by: JCZ on May 13, 2018, 03:13:36 PM
Actually the B model does have a speed limiter but its much higher. BMW has it listed at "over 125 MPH". I read somewhere else that it's 134 MPH. Plenty fast enough for passing. Shortly after I get mine I will let you know the real number.:2vrolijk_21:
Steve@fullsac.com
I stand to be corrected :2vrolijk_21:
I read on the forum where one of those guys said he went 135 mph but we all know how that goes..... :nixweiss:
Post by: Robmay on May 15, 2018, 06:16:50 AM
Post by: DesertHOG on May 15, 2018, 09:48:03 AM
What’s the difference between the 1600 GT and the 1600 B? Same with the 1600 GA vs the GTL? They look the same to me other than the bags looking better and the seat looks lower for the bsr (great improvement in my opinion) on the newer models. On my gtl the bags and trunk were removeable. I guess not on the new models?
I'm no expert but unlike the GT and GTL where you have the option of a removable top case, the B does have a platform to take add a case. So they came up with the GA version of the "Bagger" so that you could buy a top case. I don't know if the GA top case is removable but it would make sense that it would rather than not.
DH
Post by: JCZ on May 15, 2018, 10:52:03 AM
What’s the difference between the 1600 GT and the 1600 B? Same with the 1600 GA vs the GTL? They look the same to me other than the bags looking better and the seat looks lower for the bsr (great improvement in my opinion) on the newer models. On my gtl the bags and trunk were removeable. I guess not on the new models?
Mostly styling differences. The B does not have a top box however, a couple of guys have already came up with a design of their own. The GA does not have a removable top box. If you look at them from the rear, they are different so not interchangeable. Not sure what the HP or TQ are on the GT or the GTL but......here's the specs on both of these models and this is before Steve George works his magic over there at Fullsac....
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4783/39052529500_887a942e50_b.jpg)
Post by: DesertHOG on May 15, 2018, 12:33:29 PM
Mostly styling differences. The B does not have a top box however, a couple of guys have already came up with a design of their own. The GA does not have a removable top box. If you look at them from the rear, they are different so not interchangeable. Not sure what the HP or TQ are on the GT or the GTL but......here's the specs on both of these models and this is before Steve George works his magic over there at Fullsac....
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4783/39052529500_887a942e50_b.jpg)
HP and TQ are identical on GT and GTL. Same engine platform, in-line 6.
Post by: Robmay on May 15, 2018, 03:26:07 PM
Post by: JCZ on May 15, 2018, 04:35:29 PM
So I guess the only difference other than styling (which I like) is that the bags and top case are not removable. Weird.
The B doesn't have a top box. I'm not sure if the bags are removable from either one. Never rode any of my Ultra Classics without the bags so it wasn't even a question to ask, for me. But did think it's odd that the top box on the Grand America is not removable.
Post by: SDCVO on May 16, 2018, 12:23:09 AM
The B doesn't have a top box. I'm not sure if the bags are removable from either one. Never rode any of my Ultra Classics without the bags so it wasn't even a question to ask, for me. But did think it's odd that the top box on the Grand America is not removable.Bags or top box not removable on B or GA
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on May 16, 2018, 09:02:14 AM
Post by: JCZ on May 16, 2018, 09:21:29 AM
So I guess the only difference other than styling (which I like) is that the bags and top case are not removable. Weird.
Not sure if the GTL has the Pro Shift. You can shift gears at throttle without using the clutch.
Post by: Fullsac Performance on May 16, 2018, 09:50:47 AM
Bags or top box not removable on B or GA
I believe when BMW states "non removable", they are comparing it to the "quick detach" side bags and top box on the GT and GTL. You can literally flip up the handle and walk away with the side bags or "Pannier" as luggage. I'm learning new words.The Top box is a 2 minute removal as shown in this vid. Note the functional luggage rack that remains. For what ever reason, the B model side bags are not quick detach like the GT and GTL. Of course you can unbolt them same as a Harley. Maybe the Germans thought the possibility of the black paint getting scuffed on the way up to the hotel room was Fubar and the quick detach option got Kaput?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg5Lhk023_c
Steve@fullsac.com
Post by: ultrarider123 on May 16, 2018, 10:11:37 AM
I believe when BMW states "non removable", they are comparing it to the "quick detach" side bags and top box on the GT and GTL. You can literally flip up the handle and walk away with the side bags or "Pannier" as luggage. I'm learning new words.The Top box is a 2 minute removal as shown in this vid. Note the functional luggage rack that remains. For what ever reason, the B model side bags are not quick detach like the GT and GTL. Of course you can unbolt them same as a Harley. Maybe the Germans thought the possibility of the black paint getting scuffed on the way up to the hotel room was Fubar and the quick detach option got Kaput?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg5Lhk023_c
Steve@fullsac.com
You know, watching this video is making me angry. Most "modern" motorcycles are so easy to work on for things like this. How simple was it for engineers to sit around the room and design this, submit and implement? Simple, easy, quick and as you stated Steve, it leaves you with a nice luggage rack. This didn't cost anything extra to "add" to be able to remove (same thing with Indian's trunk, too). Give the people what they want and they will come a'runnin.
Harley? They still can't figure out how to design an simple oiling system..... :nixweiss:
Post by: JCZ on May 16, 2018, 10:50:16 AM
Alan, when you test rode the GA are you able to use the pro shift (without a clutch) with full throttle or just maintain where you're at when you shift?
Post by: Fullsac Performance on May 16, 2018, 10:57:50 AM
Steve the GTL has had the removable top box. But they're saying that the top box on the Grand America is not removable.
Alan, when you test rode the GA are you able to use the pro shift (without a clutch) with full throttle or just maintain where you're at when you shift?
Everything is removable. Just may need a tool box to do it.
Steve@fullsac.com
Post by: Fullsac Performance on May 16, 2018, 11:14:22 AM
Harley? They still can't figure out how to design an simple oiling system..... :nixweiss:
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Back in the day, BMW had the coolest looking bikes on the road. I don't know how they lost there way, but if they continue to regain their cosmetic swagger, sales are going to follow. Harleys latest mechanical floundering is only going to help.
Steve@fullsasc.com
Post by: iski on May 16, 2018, 11:34:18 AM
Back in the day, BMW had the coolest looking bikes on the road. I don't know how they lost there way, but if they continue to regain their cosmetic swagger, sales are going to follow. Harleys latest mechanical floundering is only going to help.
Steve@fullsasc.com
True, in the 60's the BMW baggers were head turners.
Post by: Fullsac Performance on May 16, 2018, 11:53:11 AM
True, in the 60's the BMW baggers were head turners.
Those are nice looking Bags. What the hell happened? lol....
Steve@fullsac.com
Post by: ultrarider123 on May 16, 2018, 12:30:27 PM
Post by: FlaHeatWave on May 16, 2018, 01:06:51 PM
Has a "Short Ride" segment on the "B"
Post by: iski on May 16, 2018, 02:00:20 PM
Those are nice looking Bags. What the hell happened? lol....
Steve@fullsac.com
;D ;D
Back when I was overpaid at $1 per hour for pulling motors & trannys & whatever in a garage so the real mechanics could work on them - after school job in 1970 - Harleys (too much $$$) and the old Indians were very cool, Norton, BSA, Triumph, Moto Guzzi, & BMW were "if I ever had the money dream machines", and the Japanese bikes were all I could hope to afford.
Looking at bikes in the late 90s/early 2000s (spending my kids college money a long story no point to it except got a Road King) recall BMWs being ugly as hell boxes. A little better these days. They always ran like scalded dogs no matter how they looked.
Post by: Fullsac Performance on May 16, 2018, 03:42:27 PM
If the good Lord had seen fit to give me longer legs, I would'a had one of these (this color, too) back in 1999. I test rode one for half a day all over East TN (FLSTFI Dave, remember when McNutt's was over on Lovell Rd. and the only BMW dealer in East TN?) and loved the ride/power/seating position but I was tip-toes when stopped and that killed it for me.
Didn't Prince ride one of those Purple Rain?
Steve@fullsac.com
Post by: Fired00d on May 16, 2018, 03:46:15 PM
Didn't Prince ride one of those Purple Rain?I just (found) read on the internet that it was a Honda - You thought Prince’s Purple Rain bike was a Harley? You’re wrong! (https://www.motofire.com/2016/04/you-thought-princes-purple-rain-bike-was-a-harley-youre-wrong/)… I thought it was/might be as I remembered the fairing reminded me of those Vetter <sp> of back in the day.
Steve@fullsac.com
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Post by: SDCVO on May 17, 2018, 12:42:36 AM
Steve the GTL has had the removable top box. But they're saying that the top box on the Grand America is not removable.I don't know if the bike I rode had it or not, if it did I didnt know so I just shifted normally. It probably had it and Im pissed I didn't try it!
Alan, when you test rode the GA are you able to use the pro shift (without a clutch) with full throttle or just maintain where you're at when you shift?
Post by: Robmay on May 18, 2018, 10:44:54 PM
Post by: VaEagle on May 18, 2018, 11:19:21 PM
Post by: JCZ on May 19, 2018, 09:47:01 AM
Maybe the easy to remove bags and box came off when riding,malfunctioned with time or were easy to steal? :nixweiss:
Come on now......we are talking about German engineering here. :P
Post by: JCZ on May 19, 2018, 09:51:37 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNCNFIuyDH0
Post by: JCZ on May 19, 2018, 10:21:45 AM
Post by: SDCVO on May 20, 2018, 12:59:35 AM
This is a great video that talks about the clutchless shift. I had the same problem test riding yesterday.....kept forgetting that I didn't have to use the clutch and didn't have to roll off of the throttle..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEj5qi1Wq2oso what did you think?
Post by: JCZ on May 20, 2018, 08:06:57 AM
Post by: Fullsac Performance on May 20, 2018, 09:59:38 AM
How cool was the clutchless shifting?
Corbin has an option for a backrest. Don't care for the white piping, but other than that it looks strangely familiar?
Steve@fullsac.com
PS- my 1600B will in on Thursday! :bananarock: :orange:
Post by: JCZ on May 20, 2018, 10:29:38 AM
Yep, saw that seat on Corbin's web site. Julio is who you want to see if you go in on a Saturday to have it custom made.
It seems most of the BMW riders go up to Redding, Calif. to get the Russell Day Long seat made but he's two or three months out for an appt. That seat is but ugly but looks very comfortable for all day in the saddle....(go to page 2 of this link to see the seat for the 1600 B)..... https://day-long.com/gallery/bmw/
Both RDL and Corbin make a taller/further back seat for tall riders.
This bike, even with the "top box", is surprisingly nimble even at slow speeds in a parking lot.....much more than HD. Maybe because it's 100 lbs. lighter and superior suspension?
Post by: Fatboy on May 20, 2018, 11:55:22 AM
JC
How cool was the clutchless shifting?
Corbin has an option for a backrest. Don't care for the white piping, but other than that it looks strangely familiar?
Steve@fullsac.com
PS- my 1600B will in on Thursday! :bananarock: :orange:
"Any way you want it....just the way you need it"! (just click on any area in the seat photo to built it as you like):
http://media.corbin.com/config/bmwk16bdte/#bmwk16bdte_1.pfs?width=1300&p.tn=Black_Bomber_Jacket.png,Asphalt_Vinyl.png,Silver_CF_Vinyl.png,Black.png,Light_Silver.png&p.c=,,,,&p.on=&wildCard=none&thePrice=763.00&thePart=BMW-K16-DT-E
Post by: Fatboy on May 20, 2018, 12:09:39 PM
http://corbin.picarioxpo.com/bmwk16bdte_1.pfs?width=2400&p.tn=Gray_Leather.png,Black_Bomber_Jacket.png,Navy_Blue_Leather.png,Medium_Silver.png,Light_Silver.png&p.c=,,,,&p.on=&wildCard=none&thePrice=763.00&thePart=BMW-K16-DT-E
Post by: iski on May 20, 2018, 01:42:36 PM
Playing around with the configurator:
http://corbin.picarioxpo.com/bmwk16bdte_1.pfs?width=2400&p.tn=Gray_Leather.png,Black_Bomber_Jacket.png,Navy_Blue_Leather.png,Medium_Silver.png,Light_Silver.png&p.c=,,,,&p.on=&wildCard=none&thePrice=763.00&thePart=BMW-K16-DT-E
Dozens of ways to modify that seat. About $1200.
http://media.corbin.com/config/bmwk16bdte/#bmwk16bdte_1.pfs?width=1100&p.tn=Black_Bomber_Jacket.png,Black_Bomber_Jacket.png,Black_Bomber_Jacket.png,Medium_Silver.png,Medium_Silver.png&p.c=,,,,&p.on=&wildCard=none&thePrice=763.00&thePart=BMW-K16-DT-E (http://media.corbin.com/config/bmwk16bdte/#bmwk16bdte_1.pfs?width=1100&p.tn=Black_Bomber_Jacket.png,Black_Bomber_Jacket.png,Black_Bomber_Jacket.png,Medium_Silver.png,Medium_Silver.png&p.c=,,,,&p.on=&wildCard=none&thePrice=763.00&thePart=BMW-K16-DT-E)
Post by: JCZ on May 20, 2018, 02:50:57 PM
Dozens of ways to modify that seat. About $1200.
http://media.corbin.com/config/bmwk16bdte/#bmwk16bdte_1.pfs?width=1100&p.tn=Black_Bomber_Jacket.png,Black_Bomber_Jacket.png,Black_Bomber_Jacket.png,Medium_Silver.png,Medium_Silver.png&p.c=,,,,&p.on=&wildCard=none&thePrice=763.00&thePart=BMW-K16-DT-E (http://media.corbin.com/config/bmwk16bdte/#bmwk16bdte_1.pfs?width=1100&p.tn=Black_Bomber_Jacket.png,Black_Bomber_Jacket.png,Black_Bomber_Jacket.png,Medium_Silver.png,Medium_Silver.png&p.c=,,,,&p.on=&wildCard=none&thePrice=763.00&thePart=BMW-K16-DT-E)
Now that seat goes with the bike! :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: iski on May 20, 2018, 05:42:56 PM
Now that seat goes with the bike! :2vrolijk_21:
Yeah, that bomber grey looks very good with that color. :2vrolijk_21: Interesting, a motorcycle website like Corbin can show all sorts of seat options & colors on the actual bike, and a company that shall remain nameless whose initials happen to be "HD" cannot. I wonder sometimes how limited internet access must be in places like...Milwaukee. :nixweiss:
That is a damn fine bike & appreciate your ride report JC. Our local dealer on BMW went bust, closest dealer is 200 miles away. Darn shame...
Post by: Trapperdog on May 20, 2018, 08:06:29 PM
Post by: SDCVO on May 21, 2018, 01:59:10 AM
JC, whats the benefit to riding in to Corbin and having the seat made? No doubt it looks the best!
Now that seat goes with the bike! :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: JCZ on May 21, 2018, 08:45:04 AM
JC, whats the benefit to riding in to Corbin and having the seat made? No doubt it looks the best!
#1.....they get it right! So often members of this forum have ordered a seat from their local dealership or aftermarket and the seat arrives with something wrong (color, stitch pattern, type of leather, etc.) #2.....they take the stock molded seat, before it's covered, and have you ride it down the street for you to check it out. When you come back you tell them to add a little padding here or take a little out there, etc. (form fit it to your butt). #3.....you actually see the different types of leather, the colors, the thread colors and the thread and stitch patterns all first hand and you make your decisions, first hand.
It is an all day affair and they only do it on Saturdays. You should be there an hour before they open because others will be there that early and if you're down the line then it'll be several hours before they even get to you. There is a Best Western right down the street. If you ride in, you want to talk to Julio....he's their lead guy for Saturdays.
Here's a link to a slide show that I did of them making the seat for my SEEG back in Mar. 2004....
http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=12&uid=912505&gid=4000502&
Post by: Trapperdog on May 21, 2018, 10:34:42 AM
Post by: ultrarider123 on May 21, 2018, 11:14:34 AM
I liked the feel of both the B (if I had boots) and the GTL in the sitting position. While the floorboards on the B did feel well, I could see them as being useless for anything except long, highway stretches. I did note that I could still use the rear brake using my heal with my foot on the boards along with down shifting using my left heal with the foot boards which is something but no substitution for actual controls on the boards.
The ergo's on the BMW are very good (for me). I did not have the opportunity to ride any (although it was offered) so can't speak to the power/ride quality but having rode BMW's in the past and recent reviews on this thread, I would agree it's probably very nice.
I can see the appeal of this B.
As for seats, I was impressed with both the B and GTL stock saddle. However, the Corbin option would be much improved for mainly the passenger and rider's backrest since BMW doesn't offer either currently.
Post by: JCZ on May 21, 2018, 03:11:53 PM
Yes, the one with the top box is the GA (Grand America) and the one with out the top box is the B (Bagger).
The stereo sounds OK, they just don't have enough power so if you're wearing a full face or modular helmet they're pretty much useless beyond 60 mph. On the BMW forum they're changing out the speakers and adding an amplifier.
Uhhhh, I think you must be much shorter. I can sit flat footed when it's up on the center stand. :huepfenlol2:
It's actually nice riding with those floorboards. I mean if you're in town going stop light to stop light then you left foot is going to be going back and forth. But the brakes are intigrated so at speed or going very slow you can use just the front brake lever and it applies both brakes evenly......no nose dive like on the Harley. It really is a different machine from what we're used to.
Post by: JCZ on May 21, 2018, 06:42:36 PM
Post by: SDCVO on May 21, 2018, 10:45:33 PM
A couple of you guys have asked me if I've considered the new Gold Wing. I came across this dyno comparison today.....So what is strange about that curve is my Roadglide with the 124 has 141 HP and 132 TQ on the SAE dyno they did and riding the BMW it was absolutely in another world comparatively. Before riding it I figured it would be a bit quicker but I was shocked by just how much faster it was across the entire band. I would say similar to the difference between the 124 and stock motor but honestly it was way more than that. I had read various reviews saying it was crazy fast but I kinda figured the people writing them weren't used to a fast bike, I was wrong!
Post by: ultrarider123 on May 22, 2018, 07:05:55 AM
A couple of you guys have asked me if I've considered the new Gold Wing. I came across this dyno comparison today.....
If the B puts out 160 hp at the crank and 131 hp at the wheel, that's a significant loss through the power train. I'm not that familiar with the dyno gain/loss ratio so is a 20% loss normal?
Post by: JCZ on May 22, 2018, 08:57:12 AM
So what is strange about that curve is my Roadglide with the 124 has 141 HP and 132 TQ on the SAE dyno they did and riding the BMW it was absolutely in another world comparatively. Before riding it I figured it would be a bit quicker but I was shocked by just how much faster it was across the entire band. I would say similar to the difference between the 124 and stock motor but honestly it was way more than that. I had read various reviews saying it was crazy fast but I kinda figured the people writing them weren't used to a fast bike, I was wrong!
So much smoother power on the BMW bike compared to the Harley. Much like the BMW sedan or coupe, it just doesn't feel like you're going as fast as you are..........until you look down at that speedometer. It gets there.......fast. Especially when you're not even using a clutch or rolling back off the throttle! A fun bike to ride. :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: Boatman on May 22, 2018, 09:06:11 AM
It gets there.......fast. Especially when you're not even using a clutch or rolling back off the throttle! A fun bike to ride. :2vrolijk_21:
About like a 70's model Trail 70 Honda. ::)
Post by: Fullsac Performance on May 22, 2018, 10:00:07 AM
If the B puts out 160 hp at the crank and 131 hp at the wheel, that's a significant loss through the power train. I'm not that familiar with the dyno gain/loss ratio so is a 20% loss normal?
Drive train loss can vary greatly from vehicle to vehicle. In cars, an auto trans vs a manual is a huge difference. Bikes are relatively efficient having only one lightweight wheel to spin. The 160 HP number comes from BMW. Like Harley's published numbers, we have no way to verify the equipment used or the test procedure that was employed. We can assume it was 160 at the crank, or was it the countershaft sprocket? The only way us to really know the drivetrain loss would be to use the same piece of equipment to get a real before and after. In other words we will never know. My 1600B is minutes away from starting it's 1400 mile journey home. As soon as I get my hands on it we will have a BMW vs Harley dyno chart to discuss. I can already tell you this, in a 6th gear roll on from 60, my 120" M8 would pull the BMW backwards up a hill. A real side by side at the drag strip would be another story.
Steve@fullsac.com
Click on play in the center, then youtube in the lower right corner to watch the short video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ooo0mOqkvig
Post by: Twolanerider on May 22, 2018, 11:23:00 AM
First day out of school hasn't started with tons of ambition.....
Post by: guppytrash on May 23, 2018, 10:16:28 AM
This is by far one of the funnest motorcycles I have owned for a long time. It is extremely reliable. The suspension is out of this world. The Garmin gps is simple and straight forward.
The motor is a gem that I had no idea I was going to fall in love with! This thing has two personalities. Torque on this boxer is what I love the most but when I raced a buddy of mine on his K1600GTL I discovered a whole other side of this beast that pulls like a freight train all the way to the rev limiter. Throw in wide open "no clutch" shifts with gear shift assist pro and you just can't help but smile.
This bike gets no love...I took it on a 10 day trip to the Black Hills, Yellowstone, and Red Lodge and back to my place in the burbs of Chicago. I did not wash one bug off until I got home.
Very unlike my HD days.
Funny thing is the dirtier it got the more people it attracted. This thing is ugly and yet it draws a crowd unlike any HD I have owned?
So what I might add to those considering a switch.
BMW seats suck. But thats it. Pretty much love the rest of it.
Not saying if HD built a reliable performer that was not subpar in suspension and performance and reliability that I would not add another HD to the stable. I like HD's.
I was giving the M8 2 years to work out the problems and after reading all the sumping issues I will be waiting on whatever comes next.
While I wait to see if HD steps up I will continue to smile on this ugly fun bike.
I have ridden the k1600 and it is a beast. It is a performer in every way.
If you find it to be without soul try one of the boxer motor Beemers.
Torque and horsepower, a drone at certain rpm's that reminds of a twin engine prop plane with the props slightly out sync.
You might just find out HD is not the only motor with heritage and soul.
And I promise you at 1200cc you will not be disappointed.
4 Harley's later I have discovered (or remembered) my favorite roads are the unpaved ones. Going on trips I have done before but this time turning down every dirt road and discovering I missed the best parts by staying on the pavement.
I am really sorry to those that have M8's that are having on going problems and I hope that HD gets it figured out for you.
Post by: Rooster on May 24, 2018, 02:07:55 PM
Post by: JCZ on May 24, 2018, 06:17:03 PM
I went the to the ugly BMW in 2014 and have loved every minute of it. R1200GSA
This is by far one of the funnest motorcycles I have owned for a long time. It is extremely reliable. The suspension is out of this world. The Garmin gps is simple and straight forward.
The motor is a gem that I had no idea I was going to fall in love with! This thing has two personalities. Torque on this boxer is what I love the most but when I raced a buddy of mine on his K1600GTL I discovered a whole other side of this beast that pulls like a freight train all the way to the rev limiter. Throw in wide open "no clutch" shifts with gear shift assist pro and you just can't help but smile.
This bike gets no love...I took it on a 10 day trip to the Black Hills, Yellowstone, and Red Lodge and back to my place in the burbs of Chicago. I did not wash one bug off until I got home.
Very unlike my HD days.
Funny thing is the dirtier it got the more people it attracted. This thing is ugly and yet it draws a crowd unlike any HD I have owned?
So what I might add to those considering a switch.
BMW seats suck. But thats it. Pretty much love the rest of it.
Not saying if HD built a reliable performer that was not subpar in suspension and performance and reliability that I would not add another HD to the stable. I like HD's.
I was giving the M8 2 years to work out the problems and after reading all the sumping issues I will be waiting on whatever comes next.
While I wait to see if HD steps up I will continue to smile on this ugly fun bike.
I have ridden the k1600 and it is a beast. It is a performer in every way.
If you find it to be without soul try one of the boxer motor Beemers.
Torque and horsepower, a drone at certain rpm's that reminds of a twin engine prop plane with the props slightly out sync.
You might just find out HD is not the only motor with heritage and soul.
And I promise you at 1200cc you will not be disappointed.
4 Harley's later I have discovered (or remembered) my favorite roads are the unpaved ones. Going on trips I have done before but this time turning down every dirt road and discovering I missed the best parts by staying on the pavement.
I am really sorry to those that have M8's that are having on going problems and I hope that HD gets it figured out for you.
Bold type comments are BMW interesting reading after my test rides in the past week on the BMW Grand America and the BMW K1600 B and I just finished posting these..... https://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=115698.msg1465763#msg1465763
Post by: MightyTharg on May 29, 2018, 05:11:28 PM
If the good Lord had seen fit to give me longer legs, I would'a had one of these (this color, too) back in 1999. I test rode one for half a day all over East TN (FLSTFI Dave, remember when McNutt's was over on Lovell Rd. and the only BMW dealer in East TN?) and loved the ride/power/seating position but I was tip-toes when stopped and that killed it for me.
I had one of the final K1200LTs in black - sold it to get my first Streetglide. The K12LT was heavy but still quite nimble. They are a bit awkward for maintenance though, that's an area where the K16 is easier and you have fewer access issues. That K1200 motor would have been vibey at speed (all of the flying bricks were) but they'd used rubber mounts to hang it under that massive chassis so it ended up being super smooth to ride.
Post by: Fullsac Performance on May 29, 2018, 05:30:54 PM
I went the to the ugly BMW in 2014 and have loved every minute of it. R1200GSA
This is by far one of the funnest motorcycles I have owned for a long time. It is extremely reliable. The suspension is out of this world. The Garmin gps is simple and straight forward.
The motor is a gem that I had no idea I was going to fall in love with! This thing has two personalities. Torque on this boxer is what I love the most but when I raced a buddy of mine on his K1600GTL I discovered a whole other side of this beast that pulls like a freight train all the way to the rev limiter. Throw in wide open "no clutch" shifts with gear shift assist pro and you just can't help but smile.
This bike gets no love...I took it on a 10 day trip to the Black Hills, Yellowstone, and Red Lodge and back to my place in the burbs of Chicago. I did not wash one bug off until I got home.
Very unlike my HD days.
Funny thing is the dirtier it got the more people it attracted. This thing is ugly and yet it draws a crowd unlike any HD I have owned?
So what I might add to those considering a switch.
BMW seats suck. But thats it. Pretty much love the rest of it.
Not saying if HD built a reliable performer that was not subpar in suspension and performance and reliability that I would not add another HD to the stable. I like HD's.
I was giving the M8 2 years to work out the problems and after reading all the sumping issues I will be waiting on whatever comes next.
While I wait to see if HD steps up I will continue to smile on this ugly fun bike.
I have ridden the k1600 and it is a beast. It is a performer in every way.
If you find it to be without soul try one of the boxer motor Beemers.
Torque and horsepower, a drone at certain rpm's that reminds of a twin engine prop plane with the props slightly out sync.
You might just find out HD is not the only motor with heritage and soul.
And I promise you at 1200cc you will not be disappointed.
4 Harley's later I have discovered (or remembered) my favorite roads are the unpaved ones. Going on trips I have done before but this time turning down every dirt road and discovering I missed the best parts by staying on the pavement.
I am really sorry to those that have M8's that are having on going problems and I hope that HD gets it figured out for you.
Too much fun for sure! That is right up my alley!
Steve@fullsac.com
Post by: DesertHOG on May 29, 2018, 05:41:42 PM
Too much fun for sure! That is right up my alley!
Steve@fullsac.com
You, sir, are a connoisseur of fine German Motorrad.
Post by: mark on May 31, 2018, 07:28:28 PM
http://www.sargentcycle.com/Seats-Accessories/Sargent-Seats-BMW-Bagger-InDev/
Post by: DesertHOG on May 31, 2018, 07:51:36 PM
I'm seriously looking at the K1600B, but want a rider's backrest and a removable trunk. BMW offers the K1600B with either a trunk or not. I found a seat/backrest and a luggage rack/mount that appears it could be used to mount a trunk. Available soon. Link below for those interested:
http://www.sargentcycle.com/Seats-Accessories/Sargent-Seats-BMW-Bagger-InDev/
What you need it a K1600GT/GTL with a Top Case and a custom seat.
Removable Top Case
Removable Panniers (Saddlebags)
Custom seat by Russell Day Long using their backrest
Post by: DesertHOG on May 31, 2018, 07:52:33 PM
What you need it a K1600GT/GTL with a Top Case and a custom seat.
This is how it started out life with Simon.
Post by: mark on May 31, 2018, 08:04:31 PM
Post by: JCZ on May 31, 2018, 09:34:00 PM
What you need it a K1600GT/GTL with a Top Case and a custom seat.
Removable Top Case
Removable Panniers (Saddlebags)
Custom seat by Russell Day Long using their backrest
Simon that bike looks like it has a cloth seat? Is that the solumbra material that RDL is not offering? And isn't your current seat leather or is it pleather? Which seat materials have you had experience with and which do you prefer for long haul, all day long in the saddle kind of rides?
Post by: DesertHOG on June 01, 2018, 12:50:29 AM
Can you add the forward floorboards to the K1600 GT?
You can add an engine guard and pegs to the guard.
Ilium Works also makes a floorboard looking replacement for the driver pegs.
Link to Ilium Works: http://www.iliumworks.com/K_1600_GT.cfm (http://www.iliumworks.com/K_1600_GT.cfm)
I would be interesting to see if you could adapt a K1600GT to accept the floorboards from the K1600B.
Picture of the K1600B Floorboards appear to be mounted directly to the motor.
Post by: DesertHOG on June 01, 2018, 01:02:14 AM
Simon that bike looks like it has a cloth seat? Is that the solumbra material that RDL is not offering? And isn't your current seat leather or is it pleather? Which seat materials have you had experience with and which do you prefer for long haul, all day long in the saddle kind of rides?
Indeed the BMW got the sunbrella inserts. I've had it for about 2yrs. I never noticed any heat issues. I think the sunbrella runs cooler than the vinyl. The sunbrella is used for outdoor patio furniture, umbrellas, and awnings. It's built to withstand the sun and the color holds up against fading. In theory if you leave it in the rain over extended periods you could get water into the foam but again it's never been an issue for me. And I am not a guy who runs for a bike cover every time there is a sprinkle.
On the Harley, I went with the vinyl insert because I wanted a carbon fiber pattern for the insert. That's only available in the vinyl. I may be a bit hotter than sunbrella but I only have 1250 miles on the new seat so I don't have much history about endurance and performance over different temps. I will tell you that I had RDL put in their heated seat solution and it runs on the "toasty" side. If the donor seat has a heater solution they can retain that solution.
Post by: JCZ on June 01, 2018, 09:01:29 AM
Does RDL offer the leather inserts on top?
So question (and I'm assuming but you haven't said)....I believe you've also had a Corbin? And you choose RDL over Corbin for all day comfort?
Post by: Fullsac Performance on June 01, 2018, 09:14:52 AM
Yes, I'm familiar with the vinyl cover for the seat. The Corbin seat that I sit on last week here in Sturgis last weekend was that carbon fiber looking vinyl
Does RDL offer the leather inserts on top?
So question (and I'm assuming but you haven't said)....I believe you've also had a Corbin? And you choose RDL over Corbin for all day comfort?
That Corbin looks good and solves the back rest issue. I can already feel the money leaving my hand.
Steve@fullsac.com
PS- my 1600B pulled 128HP on the dyno last night!
Post by: JCZ on June 01, 2018, 10:22:17 AM
That Corbin looks good and solves the back rest issue. I can already feel the money leaving my hand.
Steve@fullsac.com
PS- my 1600B pulled 128HP on the dyno last night!
That's off a ways from the claimed 160 HP. 128HP to the rear wheel in stock form is still good, though! :2vrolijk_21:
Did you see on the BMW forum that somebody has already got around the 101 mph speed limiter by tuning on the dyno?
Post by: DesertHOG on June 01, 2018, 11:42:11 AM
Yes, I'm familiar with the vinyl cover for the seat. The Corbin seat that I sit on last week here in Sturgis last weekend was that carbon fiber looking vinyl
Does RDL offer the leather inserts on top?
So question (and I'm assuming but you haven't said)....I believe you've also had a Corbin? And you choose RDL over Corbin for all day comfort?
Here's the site discussion on inserts. No, I sent them a stock seat and I had a Harley Hammock seat that I used until I got the custom seat. I tried all sorts of seats in the past. I have found that only the RDL works for me when it comes to extreme comfort. They truly have this down to a science. Custom spring suspension based on weight, custom foam density based on weight, and they adjust your riding height and backset. If you're looking for the ultimate in rider comfort RDL is "The Answer".
Material Options
We offer five choices of material combinations for “Day-Long”¨ Saddle covers:
All Vinyl: The most durable, weather resistant and generally carefree choice, and offers the best color match for most stock seat cover colors.
Velour Inserts: Vinyl sides with 100% nylon velour inserts in the saddle area, where the riders come in direct contact with the cover. This combination is very breathable.
Leather Inserts: Joins the durability and color selections of vinyl for the sides of the Saddle with the luxurious feel of genuine leather in the seating area. Leather is easier to keep clean and more water resistant than velour. Being a naturally porous material it “breathes” better than vinyl. Protected from the elements and periodically treated to restore its natural oils leather will outlast even the heaviest vinyl.
All Leather: For the connoisseur of fine, richly appointed motorcycle accessories this is the only way to go. The additional effort required to protect, clean and condition an all leather Saddle is a small price to pay for the soft, supple, luxurious feel and appearance of genuine leather.
Sunbrella Acrylics: Sunbrella is a breathable, durable canvas product that has been used in outdoor marine and awning applications for years. It is naturally water resistant and will not fade. Sunbrella will hold you in the pocket and help eliminate slide forward problems. A wide range of colors are available for use.
Post by: mark on June 01, 2018, 06:28:55 PM
Post by: Fullsac Performance on June 08, 2018, 02:00:26 PM
Steve@fullsac.com
Post by: iski on June 08, 2018, 02:32:27 PM
Here's a small bonus if you buy the new BMW and have a Garmin 660 laying around. The 1600B comes with a built in dock for a GPS but it's not included. They charge something like 900.00 bucks for the BMW/Garmin unit. I opened up the slot and removed the block off plate and thought damm that looks familiar. Had my old 660 laying around that I kept when I sold my 2012 CVO. Slid right in and powered up! Only negative is the Nav menu will not run it. Have to use the touch screen. I love seeing the HD Logo in the middle of the BMW dash.
Steve@fullsac.com
Now that's funny.
Post by: JCZ on June 08, 2018, 02:42:42 PM
You need to post that pic on the BMW forum. :P
Post by: BigLew on June 08, 2018, 04:27:02 PM
BigLew
Post by: Fullsac Performance on June 08, 2018, 05:23:11 PM
I thought the BMW Garmin looked like the HD 660 and 665 and even said that to the salesman....."looks just like the Harley Garmin". Good catch Steve! :2vrolijk_21:
You need to post that pic on the BMW forum. :P
Something tells me the BMW Guys won't be as entertained as we are with the Harley badge coming on when you power it up. lol..
Steve@fullsac.com
Post by: JCZ on June 08, 2018, 06:02:29 PM
Something tells me the BMW Guys won't be as entertained as we are with the Harley badge coming on when you power it up. lol..
Steve@fullsac.com
Well.....a handfull of them, anyway. You've probably noticed, a few of them came from Harleys and several from CVOs.
Post by: Fullsac Performance on June 08, 2018, 06:49:07 PM
Well.....a handfull of them, anyway. You've probably noticed, a few of them came from Harleys and several from CVOs.
A handfull for sure have some very narrow thinking. Quite a few multi bike quys in there too.
Steve@fullsac.com
Post by: JCZ on June 08, 2018, 08:59:26 PM
A handfull for sure have some very narrow thinking. Quite a few multi bike quys in there too.
Steve@fullsac.com
Probably the same people that talk about Harley rider's narrow thinking. :huepfenlol2:
Post by: Rooster on June 09, 2018, 09:45:54 AM
Post by: scottt on June 09, 2018, 04:02:48 PM
Your sure right about the pro clutchless shifting, it's a dream come true! The bike is such a blast to ride, nice knowing you have the highest performance, best handling and braking touring bike on the road, never feels near it's limits.
I went with the B because frankly I love the looks and generally ride solo. With my tailbag I have plenty luggage space.
My only complaint is a lack of accessories. I even called Motorrad and let them know that I wanted to spend more money with them.
Sent from my SM-J327T using Tapatalk
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on June 10, 2018, 08:49:38 AM
If the good Lord had seen fit to give me longer legs, I would'a had one of these (this color, too) back in 1999. I test rode one for half a day all over East TN (FLSTFI Dave, remember when McNutt's was over on Lovell Rd. and the only BMW dealer in East TN?) and loved the ride/power/seating position but I was tip-toes when stopped and that killed it for me.
I sure do remember them on Lovell road.
Post by: JCZ on June 10, 2018, 10:15:35 AM
Post by: CVODON on June 10, 2018, 05:08:32 PM
Whoa, scary proposition. We all have different wants and needs but you would really have to want quicker shifting and more power to want one of these. IMHO.
Post by: mark on June 11, 2018, 11:15:27 AM
Regarding the warranty...I’d feel better getting that from BMW, rather than from a customer, who got his info from someone at a dealer.
Post by: Fatboy on June 11, 2018, 11:35:33 AM
Looked at a B yesterday. Seat is very uncomfortable and no back-rest available. No passenger backrest. EVERYONE has the same color. Mufflers are butt ugly. No GPS. crappy stereo, guy riding one I looked at said no hear above 60 and it sucked below in quality, No accessory tourpak (and don't say look at the GA, it will only run 101 and if you do some searching on internet they say above 80 loaded it is sketchy. Power is good, shifter deal is slick. $500 for required valve adjustment and spark plugs (old style mechanical lifters), rider stated he was advised by dealer PRIOR to purchase, If we don't do maintenance, we don't warranty. Very limited dealer locations.
Whoa, scary proposition. We all have different wants and needs but you would really have to want quicker shifting and more power to want one of these. IMHO.
Maybe the new Honda Goldwing would better meet your needs. Fact remains we all love our Harley's but both bikes (Honda & BMW) are clearly far superior and more reliable than anything the MOCO has ever cranked out. Maybe in 20 years we'll have parity if everyone else stands still......
Post by: DesertHOG on June 11, 2018, 11:35:46 AM
Here's a small bonus if you buy the new BMW and have a Garmin 660 laying around. The 1600B comes with a built in dock for a GPS but it's not included. They charge something like 900.00 bucks for the BMW/Garmin unit. I opened up the slot and removed the block off plate and thought damm that looks familiar. Had my old 660 laying around that I kept when I sold my 2012 CVO. Slid right in and powered up! Only negative is the Nav menu will not run it. Have to use the touch screen. I love seeing the HD Logo in the middle of the BMW dash.
Steve@fullsac.com
I used a 660 when I first bought my BMW. Then I switch to the BMW version because of the incorporated dial wheel control. In the end that was a waste of money. The dial wheel steps are too numerous for me to find it useful. Of course that is coming from a guy that hasn't learned Basecamp yet either. One plus for the BMW branded Garmin is that it's a unification point for all the BT devices so that it properly operated SiriusXM, Navigation, Phone, and my Sena 10s. I am running the BMW Garmin Navigator IV but they have a Navigator V out now with even more capability. BMW overprices their Garmin Nav so try to catch it on sale. No one likes to spend $999 on a Garmin devices, no matter how complicated.. oh I mean "capable".
DH
Post by: DesertHOG on June 11, 2018, 11:45:19 AM
Looked at a B yesterday. Seat is very uncomfortable and no back-rest available. No passenger backrest. EVERYONE has the same color. Mufflers are butt ugly. No GPS. crappy stereo, guy riding one I looked at said no hear above 60 and it sucked below in quality, No accessory tourpak (and don't say look at the GA, it will only run 101 and if you do some searching on internet they say above 80 loaded it is sketchy. Power is good, shifter deal is slick. $500 for required valve adjustment and spark plugs (old style mechanical lifters), rider stated he was advised by dealer PRIOR to purchase, If we don't do maintenance, we don't warranty. Very limited dealer locations.
Whoa, scary proposition. We all have different wants and needs but you would really have to want quicker shifting and more power to want one of these. IMHO.
Hmm.. you got a lot of discussion points here.
Seat sucks - Yes .. solution, if you are serious about riding more than 250 in a day, get a Russell Day Long seat (imho).
Backrest - you can get that as an option on the RDL.
Passenger Backrest - need to look at aftermarket.
GPS Navigation - an option. You want them to build it into the base of the bike then it would add $1k
Stereo - Yeah it's not a concert hall but then again neither is the stock harley solution. I would recommend going wireless BT to the helmet.
Detachable cases ... well this is where I prefer the GT/GTL. I don't like the B/GA just because of permanent attachment.
Service, you can service it yourself. They do have a dummy "service" flag that sets every 6k and you need to pay to get that reset. Sucks but the reset costs me $25 at my local dealer.
You will find that BMW OEM parts cost a LOT of $$$ and if something expensive/complicated goes wrong you want the shop to fix it. You will also want a warranty and perhaps an extended warranty. You won't ruin the warranty by changing your own fluids.
On the valves. Most dealers check the valve adjustment and you only get charged if they are out of specification and need to be adjusted. They will be a lesser inspection fee.
Post by: MightyTharg on June 11, 2018, 01:02:07 PM
Service, you can service it yourself. They do have a dummy "service" flag that sets every 6k and you need to pay to get that reset. Sucks but the reset costs me $25 at my local dealer.
Guess you could reset it yourself with the GS-911, I'm told it'll interact with the abs so you can properly bleed the brakes too https://www.gs911usa.com/
My order for a GT sport is currently being processed.
Cheers
Post by: DesertHOG on June 11, 2018, 02:35:08 PM
Guess you could reset it yourself with the GS-911, I'm told it'll interact with the abs so you can properly bleed the brakes too https://www.gs911usa.com/
My order for a GT sport is currently being processed.
Cheers
Thanks.. you showed me something new today.
Post by: CVODON on June 11, 2018, 07:52:22 PM
Post by: scottt on June 11, 2018, 08:48:41 PM
Looked at a B yesterday. Seat is very uncomfortable and no back-rest available. No passenger backrest. EVERYONE has the same color. Mufflers are butt ugly. No GPS. crappy stereo, guy riding one I looked at said no hear above 60 and it sucked below in quality, No accessory tourpak (and don't say look at the GA, it will only run 101 and if you do some searching on internet they say above 80 loaded it is sketchy. Power is good, shifter deal is slick. $500 for required valve adjustment and spark plugs (old style mechanical lifters), rider stated he was advised by dealer PRIOR to purchase, If we don't do maintenance, we don't warranty. Very limited dealer locations.Before switching from 28 years on Harleys to the new BMW K1600B I did my due diligence. First, the valve adjustment is every 18K, when you consider Harleys 10K services the overall cost is very close.
Whoa, scary proposition. We all have different wants and needs but you would really have to want quicker shifting and more power to want one of these. IMHO.
I've owned 12 new Harleys and every one required some warranty work. My BMW K1600B has not, it simply runs like a fine peace of machinery.
I still like Harleys, there just not the same thing. Like comparing a Camaro to a Ferrari. Each has it's strengths but very different.
The greatest down side to the BMW is price of parts and lack of accessories. On the other hand they don't sell you a starter kit, this is a GREAT motorcycle right off the showroom floor.
Riding it is so much fun. Nothing else like it. So comfortable I could ride all day, you really can't tell how good this bike is with a test ride, it takes months of ownership to take it all in, to learn shifting without a clutch, braking with the hand brake only and making the proper suspension adjustments.
In my opinion, the BMW straight 6cyl engine is the best powerplant available in a touring motorcycle. Nothing else comes close, regardless of your modifications.
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Post by: SDCVO on June 11, 2018, 11:04:39 PM
Before switching from 28 years on Harleys to the new BMW K1600B I did my due diligence. First, the valve adjustment is every 18K, when you consider Harleys 10K services the overall cost is very close.All good to hear Scott!
I've owned 12 new Harleys and every one required some warranty work. My BMW K1600B has not, it simply runs like a fine peace of machinery.
I still like Harleys, there just not the same thing. Like comparing a Camaro to a Ferrari. Each has it's strengths but very different.
The greatest down side to the BMW is price of parts and lack of accessories. On the other hand they don't sell you a starter kit, this is a GREAT motorcycle right off the showroom floor.
Riding it is so much fun. Nothing else like it. So comfortable I could ride all day, you really can't tell how good this bike is with a test ride, it takes months of ownership to take it all in, to learn shifting without a clutch, braking with the hand brake only and making the proper suspension adjustments.
In my opinion, the BMW straight 6cyl engine is the best powerplant available in a touring motorcycle. Nothing else comes close, regardless of your modifications.
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Post by: Rooster on June 12, 2018, 09:23:57 AM
Post by: JCZ on June 12, 2018, 09:37:27 AM
Did you see Steve's (Fullsac) video of the dash while it was on the dyno? Maybe he'll post it here.
Post by: ultrarider123 on June 12, 2018, 09:46:46 AM
I saw that San Jose BMW has two lowering brackets. 1.25 drop and 2.50 drop. Kind of pricey at $299. As well as a lower factory seat.
Hey Terry, I posted this in a previous thread and I'm not sure how tall you are but I'm 5'6" and on the B with the lower seat (and I was wearing tennis shoes not my normal riding boots) I was using the ball of my foot and toes and not completely flat footed straddling it in the showroom. Funny but the GA/GTL (or whatever the non-B was) with the lower seat sitting right next to the "B", same scenario, I was just about flat footed. With my normal boots, I believe my feet would be flat but it would still be a stretch for me to feel comfortable.
Those lowering brackets would be worth the money to me if I were serious about a move to either BMW model....
Post by: Rooster on June 12, 2018, 10:05:58 AM
Yes, there are a couple of lowering options for the B and the GA and most dealerships out here are ordering them with the "Low" seat. But Terry......why would you be looking at all of this? :nixweiss: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: Maybe it has something to do with the B as low as $19,995 on Cycle Trader? Jusayinzall;D
Did you see Steve's (Fullsac) video of the dash while it was on the dyno? Maybe he'll post it here.
Juz looking. The low seat option is 29.5" My inseam is 28. Also another reason I didn't buy a new HD with the hammock seat I was bareley on my toes. No I have not seen the video.
Post by: Rooster on June 12, 2018, 10:11:10 AM
Hey Terry, I posted this in a previous thread and I'm not sure how tall you are but I'm 5'6" and on the B with the lower seat (and I was wearing tennis shoes not my normal riding boots) I was using the ball of my foot and toes and not completely flat footed straddling it in the showroom. Funny but the GA/GTL (or whatever the non-B was) with the lower seat sitting right next to the "B", same scenario, I was just about flat footed. With my normal boots, I believe my feet would be flat but it would still be a stretch for me to feel comfortable.I'm 5'6" as well. Thanks for the info.
Those lowering brackets would be worth the money to me if I were serious about a move to either BMW model....