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It's time to order new tires for my 2015 FLTRUSE and wondering what experience others have had upgrading to American Elite's or Michelin Commander II's? At 13k miles, my stock Dunlop's have perhaps 1-2k left with the rears cupped so badly they "howl" when leaning into a turn. I've had the same cupping problem on my previous touring bikes (2010 FLHTK, 2011 FLTRUSE) even when taking great care to keep the tire pressure at 40psi. Most of our miles are 2 up and with luggage. Appreciate your thoughts. Here's a pic showing the cupping on the rear tire:
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I'll be facing the same decision someday on my 14..  On my 2010, I like you changed out the stock tires due to the rear cupping badly and howling and put on the American Elites.  Wore them out and put on Michelin commanders and then had accident so they were only on around 5,000 miles.  I have Michelins on three cars and a pickup so you can see what I think about the brand.  That being said, I will probably put American Elites on my 14 when due as they are made in New York and not in the south Pacific as the Commanders are.  I thought that all 3 tires wore, handled, and rode well.  I don't think you can go wrong with either the Commanders or Elites.  If the truth were known, the stock Dunlops are made to Harley's specs, thus the cupping problem.   
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I was put riding today and stopped by Riders Harley Davidson in Trussville Alabama.  Thought I would check tire prices since I'm about due.  Went to the service department told the guy looking for 180-65-16 rear tire. Harley Brand $301.00 plus tax plus $90.00 install. After picking myself up of the floor I said what about an American elite. Great tire he says you need to go to parts department to price it. So I go to the other end of the store tell the parts guy what I am looking for. He said I will be right back need to go upstairs and see if I have one. Gets on a elevator and is gone about 5 minutes returns tire in tow. I ask for best price. He looks it up $265.90 plus $90 install and proceeds to tell me what a deal he is giving me as the tire lists for $354.00 but he has a whole stack so priced them to sell. He also told me the AE has a high load rating than the HD tire.  I am still having sticker shock but I ask can you put it on now. Oh no we can't put in on till Saturday and its first come first serve do get here early.

Right like I'm even coming back. At least I got a new parts book and a reminder of why I really don't like most dealerships. eBay price is $206.00 delivered and I think I can do better if I keep looking.
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a reminder of why I really don't like most dealerships.
Apparently I'm fortunate here in Grand Junction as my dealer quoted me $520 including tax and installation for F+R Michelin's. I'll ask about the AE but expect similar. Just wondering which tire manufacturer worked the best to avoid the rear tire cupping on a touring bike?
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Well checked with the dealer in Oxford that built a EVO motor for me, Mt Cheha Harley Davidson.  Turns out they are selling tires at cost this spring.  Getting the rear installed today at 1:00 PM $265.00 mounted balanced and tax.

Hell of a deal as the tire was going to run me $206.00 best price I could find.  :2vrolijk_21:
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Well checked with the dealer in Oxford that built a EVO motor for me, Mt Cheha Harley Davidson.  Turns out they are selling tires at cost this spring.  Getting the rear installed today at 1:00 PM $265.00 mounted balanced and tax.

Hell of a deal as the tire was going to run me $206.00 best price I could find.  :2vrolijk_21:

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You did great !

Now the rest of the story. Compensator was clunking so they are replacing it under warranty. While its down adding a chrome inner primary.  Zero labor $304.00.

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I recently took the plunge and went with the Commander II's.  The reviews on this site were favorable, but the reviews on Google, Amazon and Yelp were equally great!  I just put them on my CVO Street Glide last week.  So, we'll see about the longevity I'm hearing about.  :-)

My first impressions are very good.  First, I really like the aggressive tread design.  That's what caused me to go with these tires over the American Elites.  The tires do seem to track the road quite well.  I also noticed they are quiet.  I took the bike out on some twisties this past weekend.  The bike performed very well.  I pushed the tires a little but not as much as I usually do.  350 miles later I'm still very happy.

I live in Southern CA so everything is expensive.  Installed my new set, front and rear, came to $600 with disposal fees and taxes.  If they last 15,000 miles I'll be pretty happy with that purchase.  Anything over is a bonus!

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I was put riding today and stopped by Riders Harley Davidson in Trussville Alabama.  Thought I would check tire prices since I'm about due.  Went to the service department told the guy looking for 180-65-16 rear tire. Harley Brand $301.00 plus tax plus $90.00 install. After picking myself up of the floor I said what about an American elite. Great tire he says you need to go to parts department to price it. So I go to the other end of the store tell the parts guy what I am looking for. He said I will be right back need to go upstairs and see if I have one. Gets on a elevator and is gone about 5 minutes returns tire in tow. I ask for best price. He looks it up $265.90 plus $90 install and proceeds to tell me what a deal he is giving me as the tire lists for $354.00 but he has a whole stack so priced them to sell. He also told me the AE has a high load rating than the HD tire.  I am still having sticker shock but I ask can you put it on now. Oh no we can't put in on till Saturday and its first come first serve do get here early.

Right like I'm even coming back. At least I got a new parts book and a reminder of why I really don't like most dealerships. eBay price is $206.00 delivered and I think I can do better if I keep looking.

Rider’s is one of my local dealers, you’re right the only thing reasonably priced there is in the vending machine.  Their sister store in Pelham (Heart of Dixie) is the same way.

I know this will irritate some but I usually go there to see parts in person or try on riding gear, then go home and order from Surdyke.
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Well checked with the dealer in Oxford that built a EVO motor for me, Mt Cheha Harley Davidson.  Turns out they are selling tires at cost this spring.  Getting the rear installed today at 1:00 PM $265.00 mounted balanced and tax.

Hell of a deal as the tire was going to run me $206.00 best price I could find.  :2vrolijk_21:

Thats a heck of a price. I just put a new AE on the back and thinking it was that same 206 with free shipping, I pulled the tire, and a local indy mounted and balanced for 40. Your right at that price and just had to ride it in. Great deal for you
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It's time to order new tires for my 2015 FLTRUSE and wondering what experience others have had upgrading to American Elite's or Michelin Commander II's? At 13k miles, my stock Dunlop's have perhaps 1-2k left with the rears cupped so badly they "howl" when leaning into a turn. I've had the same cupping problem on my previous touring bikes (2010 FLHTK, 2011 FLTRUSE) even when taking great care to keep the tire pressure at 40psi. Most of our miles are 2 up and with luggage. Appreciate your thoughts. Here's a pic showing the cupping on the rear tire:

Can't comment on the Commanders, but on my 2nd AE on the rear, and still running my 1st AE on the front. Front has wore very well. Rear had some strange wear patterns to it, but had lasted way beyond what I ever got out of the original Dunlop tire. So far been very happy with the AE and will continue to run them
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i put the C2s on, got about 9k on the rear now lots of tread left and just starting to show signs of cupping. the OE dunlop was a mess at 9k so i think im going to get some better life out of the C2 for sure... will report more later   
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I’ve previously been a big fan of Michelin Commander II, having used them as replacement tires on three different touring bikes. Traction is good in all conditions, great cornering, better control on grooved pavement, and no cupping problems. I prefer them over the OEM, Avons, and Metzlers. But my latest experience has driven me to explore options.

Michelin claims 2x wear on the rear tire (does not make a claim regarding the front tire). I know Texas roads (mostly chip and seal and very high temps) are hard on tires. After 8K miles, I’m down to between 2/32 and 3/32 on the front (new is 5/32) and 5/32 on the rear (new is 11/32). I’m pretty anal about tire pressure, but acknowledge that we are sometimes loaded heavy when riding two-up, though 70% of my riding is solo. I have a 4,200 mile trip coming up and have a fresh set of Dunlop American Elites sitting in the garage. At a minimum, the front will be installed prior to departure.
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I’ve previously been a big fan of Michelin Commander II, having used them as replacement tires on three different touring bikes. Traction is good in all conditions, great cornering, better control on grooved pavement, and no cupping problems. I prefer them over the OEM, Avons, and Metzlers. But my latest experience has driven me to explore options.

Michelin claims 2x wear on the rear tire (does not make a claim regarding the front tire). I know Texas roads (mostly chip and seal and very high temps) are hard on tires. After 8K miles, I’m down to between 2/32 and 3/32 on the front (new is 5/32) and 5/32 on the rear (new is 11/32). I’m pretty anal about tire pressure, but acknowledge that we are sometimes loaded heavy when riding two-up, though 70% of my riding is solo. I have a 4,200 mile trip coming up and have a fresh set of Dunlop American Elites sitting in the garage. At a minimum, the front will be installed prior to departure.

Your riding conditions are very similar to mine except 2up 90%  of the time. Let me know your thoughts on the AE. So far I have been very pleased with them
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My rears look just like the OP.  They howl like crazy when I lean the bike.   Still a fair amount of tread left.  Is the cupping dangerous?

I was considering the AE's and the C II's.  Will be following this thread closely as I will be ditching the cupped tires sometime in the next few months.

I do ride 2-up most of the time.  Combined weight is only about 325 for us both plus maybe another 10 lbs of tour pack junk.  Bike is '15 FLTRUSE.
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Found this interesting article on another motorcycle forum:

CUPPING:
Cupping, which is more accurately described as scalloping, but we will use the more common term "cupping" here, is a natural wear pattern on motorcycle tires and it will always follow the tread pattern. It is not a sign that you have bad suspension parts. It merely shows that your tire is indeed gripping the road when you make turns (thank you for that Mr. Tire!). This cupping develops within the side wear bands of a leaned motorcycle. The extreme forces that come in to play when the bike is leaned in a turn are what produce the effect and when the wear becomes sufficient, one will experience vibration and noise when one banks into a turn. Upon examination of the pictures at left of our sample rear Avon, our dusted front VTX Dunlop D256, and the picture of our chalked Dunlop D206 one can see how the cupping follows the tread pattern. The leading edge of the tread does not flex much as it grips the road and the rubber is scuffed off the tire in that area causing a depression. As the tire rotates, the pressure moves to the trailing edge of the tread pattern where the tread flexes more causing less scuffing so less material is ground off the tire. The more complex the tread pattern, the more complex the cupping pattern will be. The softer the compound of the tire, the sooner this cupping will develop. Radial tires are more prone to cupping than are bias ply because the compound of radials is softer. As one can see, the simple tread pattern of the Avon pictured produces a simpler scallop pattern while the more complex VTX D256 Dunlop is somewhat involved, though still easily seen in our photo. Cupping on the Valkyrie Dunlop D206 is very hard to photograph because of the complex tread pattern. Low tire pressure will exacerbate this wear pattern and you will lose many serviceable miles by running low. Improper balance has nothing to do with cupping on a motorcycle tire. Improper balance will merely cause your bike to vibrate within certain specific speed ranges.

The writer states this as fact and perhaps it is as it makes sense to me.  I have always experienced some cupping on motorcycle tires so I guess the way to avoid that as per the article is to ride in straight lines and avoid curves, lol.  Nah, I'll just get new tires.

I've not had the Dunlop AE but of course the OEs and Mich Commander IIs several times.  Always eventually got some cupping.  I've just resigned myself that it is the nature of the beast and to accept it.  And yes, I do watch my tire pressures very closely. 
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I have never gotten 5000 miles out of the stock rear tire before. Lat time I decided to try the C2's. Got almost 9000 miles out of it before having to replace with great traction (once warmed up). Only thing I will say is cold they do seem a bit squirley compared to the Dunlops but only until fully warmed up. Front tire though wore about the same as stock but I definitely will stick with the C2's going forward.
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Well today I bought new tires.

My last three sets were Michelin Commander IIs, but today I went Dunlop American Elite. No complaints about the Michelin’s, I just wanted to give the AEs a try. I got about 9k out of my last rear tire, so we’ll see how the Dunlops compare.

Like all new tires they felt light and snappy. Just in time for Yosemite.
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Have a 15 ultra limited, I get 19,000 miles on the stock dunlops, looking no at commanders or elites, might go stock again, but the price 550 for both installed.
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My 2015 FLTRUSE tires have cupped enough to noise at 12K but still plenty of tread. Any danger on riding it till the tread in the center is worn more? They look good other than the cupping.
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i put the C2s on, got about 9k on the rear now lots of tread left and just starting to show signs of cupping. the OE dunlop was a mess at 9k so i think im going to get some better life out of the C2 for sure... will report more later   
ok only thing to report is my rear C2 picked up a 1/4 inch bolt.... so im starting over this season with a new rear C2  :nixweiss:
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My 2015 FLTRUSE tires have cupped enough to noise at 12K but still plenty of tread. Any danger on riding it till the tread in the center is worn more? They look good other than the cupping.
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have seen guys ride them till the cords are showing... not me, with 12k on yours, if it was mine I would step up and get new
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I have a set of Michelin commander 2's.  Love em. Great ride and really last. 14000 miles  and lots of tread left. I would recommend them for sure. Stuart  :2vrolijk_21:
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Looks like I might be in the minority here but have been really happy with the Elites. I have my 3rd rear on and have been better than 12000 each on the rears. The first rear had some funny wear patterns at around the 12000 mark so I changed it. The 2nd was around 12000 and still had lots of meat left but I pulled it in prep for a trip. On my 2nd front and it came off at 23000 in prep for the same trip, but it was getting tired anyhow. I have not seen the cupping issues with them as I did with the HD tire. Bike is also 2up 99% of the time
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Have been running the Commander 2's for about 10k.  Original Dunlops cupped and got so noisy between 12-15k that I replaced them before they were worn out.  I've had a bit of trouble with the front C2 vibrating just a slight amount at about 60 mph.  Not totally convinced its not due to poor balance job at the dealer.  I had them recheck it and of course they said it was fine.  Not a bad vibration, just enough to be noticeable in the mirrors.  May eventually have an indy rebalance it.  My dealer does not carry them in stock so have been ordering in from Drag.  I noticed while in MTM that Pig Trail HD stocks the C2's.
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I can tell you that the AE's are just a touch taller even though manufacture says they are the same. They are not. Mine wear a little better than the Dunflops. I really believe it's a lot about the bike!

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The commander Iis don't cup.    Mine still look great.      Stuart.
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I went with the Commander II just before a 3K trip. Two days of rain and they worked great for me in the rain or dry. If they don't cup I will be a happy customer.
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The Commander IIs I had two sets ago cupped in the rear. It howled in the curves and responded poorly. I checked air pressure regularly and replaced it at about 9K. Don't get me wrong, I like the Commander IIs and may run them again. But for now the American Elite seems to be doing fine.
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My OEM Dunlop's cupped and where very noisy in the turns, the noise started at about 5000 miles, I got 12,000 miles out of them, I replaced them with the Commander II's and have 11,000 miles on them now, the rear is starting to cup, but no noise yet in the turns, I'm estimating that I will get about 3000 more miles out of them and already have a new set sitting in the garage.
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2018 MITM Eureka Springs
2018 WV GTG
2018 Maggie Valley GTG
2019 MITM Eureka Springs
2019 Maggie Valley GTG
2020 Maggie Valley GTG
2021 WV GTG
2021 Maggie Valley GTG
2022 Ohio GTG
2023 1/2 Maggie Valley GTG
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