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CVO Technical => Twin Cam => Topic started by: sugarbear20 on July 10, 2010, 05:47:17 PM
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Just got home frome trip that I had to trailer my bike ( against my choice but had too) backe out of trailer and cranked up. It had loud knock in engine. Sounded something like a rod but not quite. Shut off and checked oil (ok) Anyone have any thought on the little info I gave you.
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Just got home frome trip that I had to trailer my bike ( against my choice but had too) backe out of trailer and cranked up. It had loud knock in engine. Sounded something like a rod but not quite. Shut off and checked oil (ok) Anyone have any thought on the little info I gave you.
My thoughts are, I hope you have a good dealer.
Your about to enter the "110 Danger Zone" .
Do not adjust any knobs or dials.
Take it straight to your dealer.
It's a shame but this could be an interesting adventure or a bad one.
The adventure will start at your dealer.
Regardless of the issue, it's covered by warranty.
I hope your dealer is a good one.
Good luck!
SBB
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Actually he is a pretty good dealer. I guess I am fortunate. I am going to push in trailer and carry to him next week. I don't want to do any more harm than it has now. I hope it is not serious but if it is no time like the present to find out. 2,500 miles
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Actually he is a pretty good dealer. I guess I am fortunate. I am going to push in trailer and carry to him next week. I don't want to do any more harm than it has now. I hope it is not serious but if it is no time like the present to find out. 2,500 miles
SB a good dealer is a good thing!
A good dealer goes the extra yard.
Good luck and keep us informed.
SBB
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Had that happen to me when an adjustable push rod backed off on my rear exhaust valve 95in RK. No damage and everything ran fine after resetting the rod but is sure sounded awful.
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mine has all kinds of weird noises, i just ignore them, and run it harder, as far as dealers go , there all good until you have a problem
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Mine has developed a rapping sound @ low speed. sounds like the front cylinder possibly topend :nixweiss:.quiets down at highway speeds.I hate to take her to the dealer and be without. But I may have to.
Good luck hope its nothing serious.
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cranked the bike today to make sure it still had a problem before I carried it to dealer. It is embrassing when you take it in and nothing is wrong. Well guess what it ran like a sewing machine. I know it will probably act up again so I guess it's just a waiting game.
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You didn't indicate how many miles you trailered your bike. On two separate I trailered bikes 1500 miles or more. First was my old Wideglide and the wife's Sporty. At first crank I thought they were both coming apart! Figured the vibrations from the trailer allowed most of the lubricants to drain down to the bottom.
After a couple minutes everything quieted down and never had a problem.
Second was both our 08 Springers. Went to N.H. and unloaded mine. Same thing as before. Hers stayed in trailer for two weeks until we met up in Virginia same scenario. I just expected it the second time and let them idle a couple minutes while the lifters and topend re-lubricated themselves.
I know how you feel as it truly sounds like the whole motor is coming apart, especially in an enclosed trailer.
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You didn't indicate how many miles you trailered your bike. On two separate I trailered bikes 1500 miles or more. First was my old Wideglide and the wife's Sporty. At first crank I thought they were both coming apart! Figured the vibrations from the trailer allowed most of the lubricants to drain down to the bottom.
After a couple minutes everything quieted down and never had a problem.
Second was both our 08 Springers. Went to N.H. and unloaded mine. Same thing as before. Hers stayed in trailer for two weeks until we met up in Virginia same scenario. I just expected it the second time and let them idle a couple minutes while the lifters and topend re-lubricated themselves.
I know how you feel as it truly sounds like the whole motor is coming apart, especially in an enclosed trailer.
I trailered it about 500 mile I hope it is the same problem you experienced with all the talk about the 110 I guess I am jut paranoid. It has 2500 miles and has'nt given me any trouble yet. Thanks for the encouragement
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Did you leave it in gear you can pump down the lifters if you did.
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Did you leave it in gear you can pump down the lifters if you did.
Okay, this one you're going to have to 'splain... :nixweiss:
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if you leave bike in gear and the bike moves forward or backwards at all then your rocking the engine. Over a period of time the lifters will bleed down .
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if you leave bike in gear and the bike moves forward or backwards at all then your rocking the engine. Over a period of time the lifters will bleed down .
I did not know that and yes it was in gear but it was chinched down pretty tight.
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i have trailed my bike to daytona many times from new york.i used to leave them in gear.even though they are tied down they still bounce,which rocks the motor and puts pressure on the tranny which is not really good for the bike.you think by leaving it in gear it is better and will not move.now i leave it in neutral and i use a tie wrap on the front brake,but not to tight.
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i have trailed my bike to daytona many times from new york.i used to leave them in gear.even though they are tied down they still bounce,which rocks the motor and puts pressure on the tranny which is not really good for the bike.you think by leaving it in gear it is better and will not move.now i leave it in neutral and i use a tie wrap on the front brake,but not to tight.
I don't have a lot of experience trailering it is against my principles but this time it was necessary. When I rode a road king I told everybody it was a road king not a trailer queen. Not making fun of anyone that trailers. I just don't like having to do it.
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You didn't indicate how many miles you trailered your bike. On two separate I trailered bikes 1500 miles or more. First was my old Wideglide and the wife's Sporty. At first crank I thought they were both coming apart! Figured the vibrations from the trailer allowed most of the lubricants to drain down to the bottom.
After a couple minutes everything quieted down and never had a problem.
Second was both our 08 Springers. Went to N.H. and unloaded mine. Same thing as before. Hers stayed in trailer for two weeks until we met up in Virginia same scenario. I just expected it the second time and let them idle a couple minutes while the lifters and topend re-lubricated themselves.
I know how you feel as it truly sounds like the whole motor is coming apart, especially in an enclosed trailer.
i tend to agree with the short dog fluids tend to settle on long trailer haul with all the bumping around
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I just rode my 10 SEUC 2500 miles with the loud clacking noise at idle and it ran pretty good in the cooler temps. I am scheduled in tomorrow evening because my dealer want's to teardown the motor and check clearances and tolerances on the motor. At 1000 miles they told me I have a good case of Piston Slap that everyone has told me is normal but I sure didn't have that on my 08 SEUC. The dealer feels there is a real need to tear into the motor and determine what is causing all these weird noises and fix it right. I have 5800 miles on the bike now. The only draw back is getting a stock Ultra as a loaner with Honda quiet pipes. I'm thankful that my dealer is working with me and treating me like a customer.
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I just rode my 10 SEUC 2500 miles with the loud clacking noise at idle and it ran pretty good in the cooler temps. I am scheduled in tomorrow evening because my dealer want's to teardown the motor and check clearances and tolerances on the motor. At 1000 miles they told me I have a good case of Piston Slap that everyone has told me is normal but I sure didn't have that on my 08 SEUC. The dealer feels there is a real need to tear into the motor and determine what is causing all these weird noises and fix it right. I have 5800 miles on the bike now. The only draw back is getting a stock Ultra as a loaner with Honda quiet pipes. I'm thankful that my dealer is working with me and treating me like a customer.
go for it sounds like a heck of a deal :cucumber:
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I just rode my 10 SEUC 2500 miles with the loud clacking noise at idle and it ran pretty good in the cooler temps. I am scheduled in tomorrow evening because my dealer want's to teardown the motor and check clearances and tolerances on the motor. At 1000 miles they told me I have a good case of Piston Slap that everyone has told me is normal but I sure didn't have that on my 08 SEUC. The dealer feels there is a real need to tear into the motor and determine what is causing all these weird noises and fix it right. I have 5800 miles on the bike now. The only draw back is getting a stock Ultra as a loaner with Honda quiet pipes. I'm thankful that my dealer is working with me and treating me like a customer.
Sounds like you have a good dealer!
:2vrolijk_21:
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I think what the service writer tried to tell me Friday night was that after they tore it down the Master Tech found the crank to tight under tolerance. I will find out more details today because they need to work with Mother Harley Tech Support.
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I think what the service writer tried to tell me Friday night was that after they tore it down the Master Tech found the crank to tight under tolerance. I will find out more details today because they need to work with Mother Harley Tech Support.
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Trapperdog,
That is what is confusing. I believe he meant to say that the Fly Wheel is excessively tight.
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Only thing the phrase "too tight" makes come to mind is side play measurement, either connecting rod or total assembly.
Jerry
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Call it a knock, a tinkle or a rattle - I've got one - left sided, sounds like toward top end. Seems power is also down on previous, prior to service (400 miles ago). Nearly 4 months old and also around 6000 miles (10,500km). Only thing changed at last service was the SE Supertrapp style exhausts which they say the ECM will auto tune to - though I was looking to get the Supertuner fitted. Rattle can't be a result of lean fuel.........can it?
Dealer says noise is definitely there and not a figment of my imagination but they don't know what it is and will have to take the unit to bits to find out. Problem is there are only 2 techs in the shop at the moment so I gotta wait in line.
So is it liners, piston slap, valves, rockers or something totally different??
Anyone have any happy endings with this kinda problem??
2010 CVO Street Glide (Candy Concorde)
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Crank and Flywheel. Bike is in the Black Hole at Dealer. Some month they will get new motor and hopefully it will produce better than last motor.
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Call it a knock, a tinkle or a rattle - I've got one - left sided, sounds like toward top end. Seems power is also down on previous, prior to service (400 miles ago). Nearly 4 months old and also around 6000 miles (10,500km). Only thing changed at last service was the SE Supertrapp style exhausts which they say the ECM will auto tune to - though I was looking to get the Supertuner fitted. Rattle can't be a result of lean fuel.........can it?
Dealer says noise is definitely there and not a figment of my imagination but they don't know what it is and will have to take the unit to bits to find out. Problem is there are only 2 techs in the shop at the moment so I gotta wait in line.
So is it liners, piston slap, valves, rockers or something totally different??
Anyone have any happy endings with this kinda problem??
At what rpm's does it make this noise. Many of the 110's make a noise between 2600 and 3200 rpms which is piston slap, so I'm told by Harley Davidson. Oh and they say it is normal and will not harm the longevity of the engine. Not sure about the last sentence.
2010 CVO Street Glide (Candy Concorde)
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Through the revs - gave it a good handfull to see if it made much difference but still lacking power and still had the noise - not major clattering more like a ticking - issue really is that this is new, not there before the last service.
Lets see what the Dr reckons.
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Latest update is the dealership will pull the engine - first check the rockers - I note some bushes or castings failing on other bikes - next it'll be the rest of the valvetrain and then on through the barrels / liners / pistons if necessary till the problem is diagnosed.
Good news is I've got the Street Glide demo bike for the moment while the issue is sorted - thanks Singapore Harley!
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First, I have a 2009 FLTRSE3--only major mechanical addition was slip on Rush pipes.
About 3 weeks ago, I developed a slight engine noise on the front right (rider's perspective) that progressed drastically over a 10-20 miles drive to the point where my girlfriend was able to hear it. I had a sales rep listen to it, and he immediately told me to shut down the engine. The noise was RPM dependent, more of a tinking sound, emanating from the right side of the engine. After disassembling the timing cover, it was determined the rear lifter had seized, causing metal shavings to infiltrate the entire engine ruining the cam, oil pump, crank shaft, oil filter, etc. Harley replaced the engine, fairly promptly. All services were done at certified Harley Davidson dealerships. I had about 17,800 miles on the bike. I was pleased they fixed the bike so quickly. However, there is no additional warranty on the engine past my 6 months remaining on the 2 year original warranty.
Moral of the story....don't ignore the new, strange noises.
Anyone else had similar experience?
Incidentally, the engine has a new part number on it, so there is an unidentifiable change in the engine. The only thing I can tell is that the gray color is a different shade from my transmission gray color. Would have been nice to match, but I am not that upset about it.
The bike now has a TTS and full Rinehart true duals.
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Not at all to take away from the issues at hand but I had a rattle on a S&S engine that drove me crazy and it turned out to be the baffles rattling in there socket. Now I know that this is not your problem but I just wanted to throw it out in this thread. btw I forgot to mention that it sounded like it was coming from the top end of the engine.
I hope you all get your issues solved ...... eh
Bub
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Finally getting BLUU back tonight from the dealer with a new motor and re-built tranny. My main noise that I heard was after the engine was hot and you came to a stop in neutral the engine would make this loud clacking noise. It would not do this when it was cool but only after motor was good and hot.
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Dealer has pulled down the top end and cams - fault apears to be the circlip coming off the end of the front camshaft allowing the cam to float - that has caused wear in the camshaft outer housing, followers, rockers and valves as the gapping was "variable".
Good news is Singapore Harley have ordered up all the parts and lent me the demo 2010 Street Glide meantime.
Will follow up with any other info which might be usefull to y'all. Maybe I should start a thread under "Circlip" just to get attention?
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Further details to ripen the story. So, we were on our way to Colorado with my new engine installed and the bike on the back of the trailer with 3 other bikes. We stopped to get diesel, and my friend noticed something on the trailer under my bike. It was a clear fluid leaking from the insertion point of the clutch line. I assumed it was hydraulic fluid, and I was correct. They did not properly install the clutch line when replacing my engine. I stopped at 2 HD dealerships on the way, and none of them could even look at to confirm my hypothesis for a minimum of 3 hours. I called the dealership that replaced the engine, and they told me the line was loose. DUH!!! They suggested I tighten it up. When I did, it stripped the threads from the transmission case. I got a parts diagram at the next HD dealership, and I saw an O ring that likely was damaged. Either that, or they crossthreaded my line. This was Friday morning. I arranged for a dealership in Colorado to overnight ship in the cover ($300) and clutch line ($100), so they could be installed on Saturday morning. When I got to the dealership on Saturday, they said the part was not in, but it was on order overnight. When I asked for a tracking number, they could not produce one. I let my friends go ahead, since the part was "on order overnight". I waited until 5PM mountain time. After the parts never arrived, they said someone must have not specified overnight delivery!?!? Are you f*&$king kidding me!?!? That is the point at which I lost control. They said the parts would be in Monday, and they would have me fixed up. Keep in mind, I had no bike, no car, and no friends...remember, I told them to go on. The dealership did not offer me a loaner. They were "nice enough" to give me a ride back to the guys house we met in Colorado. I walked about 10 miles in riding boots to get a phone charger to arrange additional plans. At this point, my blood pressure was about 210/110 and my face was red. I decided to pack it in and go home. I caught the next flight out of Denver back to Atlanta. What is the point of this story? I guess to make me feel better and vent. Several lessons I learned however,
1. Do not rush a mechanic.
2. Do not put a bike on a trailer one has not test ridden and take it 6 states away.
3. Do not let 3 friends pressure you into doing numbers 1 and 2
4. And NEVER, NEVER, NEVER trust anyone who does not have your parts in hand.
The total repair bill was $594 I missed a great trip!
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Further details to ripen the story. So, we were on our way to Colorado with my new engine installed and the bike on the back of the trailer with 3 other bikes. We stopped to get diesel, and my friend noticed something on the trailer under my bike. It was a clear fluid leaking from the insertion point of the clutch line. I assumed it was hydraulic fluid, and I was correct. They did not properly install the clutch line when replacing my engine. I stopped at 2 HD dealerships on the way, and none of them could even look at to confirm my hypothesis for a minimum of 3 hours. I called the dealership that replaced the engine, and they told me the line was loose. DUH!!! They suggested I tighten it up. When I did, it stripped the threads from the transmission case. I got a parts diagram at the next HD dealership, and I saw an O ring that likely was damaged. Either that, or they crossthreaded my line. This was Friday morning. I arranged for a dealership in Colorado to overnight ship in the cover ($300) and clutch line ($100), so they could be installed on Saturday morning. When I got to the dealership on Saturday, they said the part was not in, but it was on order overnight. When I asked for a tracking number, they could not produce one. I let my friends go ahead, since the part was "on order overnight". I waited until 5PM mountain time. After the parts never arrived, they said someone must have not specified overnight delivery!?!? Are you f*&$king kidding me!?!? That is the point at which I lost control. They said the parts would be in Monday, and they would have me fixed up. Keep in mind, I had no bike, no car, and no friends...remember, I told them to go on. The dealership did not offer me a loaner. They were "nice enough" to give me a ride back to the guys house we met in Colorado. I walked about 10 miles in riding boots to get a phone charger to arrange additional plans. At this point, my blood pressure was about 210/110 and my face was red. I decided to pack it in and go home. I caught the next flight out of Denver back to Atlanta. What is the point of this story? I guess to make me feel better and vent. Several lessons I learned however,
1. Do not rush a mechanic.
2. Do not put a bike on a trailer one has not test ridden and take it 6 states away.
3. Do not let 3 friends pressure you into doing numbers 1 and 2
4. And NEVER, NEVER, NEVER trust anyone who does not have your parts in hand.
The total repair bill was $594 I missed a great trip!
that sucks............
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WOW.
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BadGun, Boy do I feel your pain and yes you are right Never Rush a Mech. My new bike was at the Dealer for a month and I tried to get it back sooner but the Service Manager told me over and over don't try and rush this repair because the Master Tech was meticulous about his work and he does not rush. It was a Big lesson in Patients!! I got the bike back last night and rode it 25 miles and what a huge difference it is with a New Motor and Tranny. I hope this lasts and I can stay out of the Harley Black Hole for awhile!!
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Glad there was no bloodshed! :2vrolijk_21:
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Man that sucks hind teet.... >:(
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I also have a top end tapping/pinging noise that occurs 2500 to 3000 rpm's but only when there is a load on the bike. It started right after I had the dealer install new pipes, race tuner and dyno the bike (around 1000 miles on bike). I have taken the bike to the dealer repeatedly and they keep giving me bull sh*t answers like it’s because it’s a big engine (also used that for the oil leak out of the big air breather attach points which they have fixed 4 times and they are still leaking.) also that’s normal, we don't hear it etc.... The problem is it is getting louder and now is starting to vibrate through the bike. I live in central Florida can anyone suggest a good dealer who will actually try to find out what the problem is. By the way I have had two other shops listen to the bike and they both said there is something wrong with the engine. Unfortunately they are not authorized to do warranty work.
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If you find one down here let me know... :-\
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The baffles were the first thing I checked but thanks for the info.
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I also have a top end tapping/pinging noise that occurs 2500 to 3000 rpm's but only when there is a load on the bike. It started right after I had the dealer install new pipes, race tuner and dyno the bike (around 1000 miles on bike). I have taken the bike to the dealer repeatedly and they keep giving me bull sh*t answers like it’s because it’s a big engine (also used that for the oil leak out of the big air breather attach points which they have fixed 4 times and they are still leaking.) also that’s normal, we don't hear it etc.... The problem is it is getting louder and now is starting to vibrate through the bike. I live in central Florida can anyone suggest a good dealer who will actually try to find out what the problem is. By the way I have had two other shops listen to the bike and they both said there is something wrong with the engine. Unfortunately they are not authorized to do warranty work.
Don't know if it will work for you or not, but I've had good success at New Port Richey Harley. I think one other had an off experience there with a battery warranty but it's worth a try.