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Zumo "extras"
« on: April 04, 2007, 07:21:39 PM »

  Don't know how many of you have bought and installed the Zumo, but I've had mine since about Jan, and love using it.  Recently, I bought a 2GB SD card and now I can load about 500 songs on my MP3 player in the Zumo.  I don't even think about CDs anymore! :bananarock:  I also just figured out the Bluetooth, and now I can make/receive phone calls through my helmet.  This is what I call technology :2vrolijk_21:  I don't plan to make calls, but at least I'll know when I miss a call.  Hope all of you that have the Zumo have utilized all the features.
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Re: Zumo "extras"
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2007, 05:47:36 PM »

Hi, Have a H-D Screamin' Eagle CVO Electra Glide Ultra Classic in Autumn Haze & Vivid Black. Just installed a Zumo 550
and now I am trying to use my bluetooth phone can hear but can not talk thru my Harley headset how are you doing this.  :nixweiss:

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Re: Zumo "extras"
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2007, 06:00:25 PM »

I'm thinking the only way you can talk thru the Zumo on phone calls is with pairing a "Bluetooth" headset/microphone to the Zumo. To my knowledge the hard wired headset that you plug into the side of the tank console is only connecting to your cb/intercom and there is nothing that connects it to your Zumo. The reason the H-D "Bluetooth" works w/that setup is it is connected to the radio and the "Bluetooth" part is only connecting the phone and the audio is going thru the wired headset. :nixweiss:

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Re: Zumo "extras"
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2007, 09:30:07 PM »

I'm thinking the only way you can talk thru the Zumo on phone calls is with pairing a "Bluetooth" headset/microphone to the Zumo. To my knowledge the hard wired headset that you plug into the side of the tank console is only connecting to your cb/intercom and there is nothing that connects it to your Zumo. The reason the H-D "Bluetooth" works w/that setup is it is connected to the radio and the "Bluetooth" part is only connecting the phone and the audio is going thru the wired headset. :nixweiss:

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Dood, have done that with my lid while playing with someone else's Zumo.  Works pretty slick actually.  So a Bluetooth enabled helmet will do that deed (at least the NCom's from Nolan will).
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Re: Zumo "extras"
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2007, 09:32:04 PM »

Dood, have done that with my lid while playing with someone else's Zumo.  Works pretty slick actually.  So a Bluetooth enabled helmet will do that deed (at least the NCom's from Nolan will).

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« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2007, 09:42:42 PM »

Dood, have done that with my lid while playing with someone else's Zumo.  Works pretty slick actually.  So a Bluetooth enabled helmet will do that deed (at least the NCom's from Nolan will).
I had thought that was the case and actually looked at the Nolan helmets, but then decided I'm not potent enough to want to talk to someone when I'm riding. I do have my phone paired to my Zumo so I can see when I have an incoming call and depending on who it is I can decide whether I want to pull over and call them back or keep on riding.

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Re: Zumo "extras"
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2007, 09:44:21 PM »

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« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2007, 09:47:05 PM »

I had thought that was the case and actually looked at the Nolan helmets, but then decided I'm not potent enough to want to talk to someone when I'm riding. I do have my phone paired to my Zumo so I can see when I have an incoming call and depending on who it is I can decide whether I want to pull over and call them back or keep on riding.

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D00d, at least with the Nolan gear it's actually surprisingly easy.  Generally just a one finger tap to initiate a call or answer one.  Then it's just a case of talking.  Using it through the Zumo was different, but every bit as easy once it was figured out.  In some ways easier to find phonebook functions if the voice commands were problematic at any given time.  But using any functions on the Zumo screen would then take your eyes off where you're going.  All tolled it was easy to get used to and easy to use.  I don't mess with it except on longer trips generally.  But it's handy as hell when you do want to use it.
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« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2007, 05:00:57 AM »

Hi, Have a H-D Screamin' Eagle CVO Electra Glide Ultra Classic in Autumn Haze & Vivid Black. Just installed a Zumo 550
and now I am trying to use my bluetooth phone can hear but can not talk thru my Harley headset how are you doing this.  :nixweiss:

Thanks LWHOOD

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Re: Zumo "extras"
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2007, 03:36:19 PM »

Hi, Have a H-D Screamin' Eagle CVO Electra Glide Ultra Classic in Autumn Haze & Vivid Black. Just installed a Zumo 550
and now I am trying to use my bluetooth phone can hear but can not talk thru my Harley headset how are you doing this.  :nixweiss:

Thanks LWHOOD

Actually I got ahead of myself when I posted this....I can receive and hear calls, but as many others have stated, we can't talk.  I'm still trying to figure out how to add this to my Arai helmet with integrated J&M head set.  It's really frustrating and I don't want to buy another helmet.  So....anyone with any ideas out there to make this set up work, would appreciate your help...I'm sure there are plenty of others that could benefit from this information also.
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« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2007, 04:03:44 PM »

Actually I got ahead of myself when I posted this....I can receive and hear calls, but as many others have stated, we can't talk.  I'm still trying to figure out how to add this to my Arai helmet with integrated J&M head set.  It's really frustrating and I don't want to buy another helmet.  So....anyone with any ideas out there to make this set up work, would appreciate your help...I'm sure there are plenty of others that could benefit from this information also.
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Is this helmet/headset bluetooth or only wired? Are you receiving hearing the calls thru your helmet/headset or just the speakers on the bike? The reason I ask is because I believe the only way to get the bluetooth option on the Zumo to work is to have a bluetooth Microphone/Headset on your helmet, and then pair it to the Zumo. :nixweiss: I'm thinking the MoCo bluetooth addition connects to the existing radio and is receiving/sending audio back to your phone, and is transmitting it to your helmet/headset thru the wires existing on bike. If you unplug your helmet/headset from the tank console would you still be able to use your phone bluetooth capabilities if you didn't have the Zumo on the bike?

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« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2007, 04:05:26 PM »

Actually I got ahead of myself when I posted this....I can receive and hear calls, but as many others have stated, we can't talk.  I'm still trying to figure out how to add this to my Arai helmet with integrated J&M head set.  It's really frustrating and I don't want to buy another helmet.  So....anyone with any ideas out there to make this set up work, would appreciate your help...I'm sure there are plenty of others that could benefit from this information also.

You will not be able to use the J&M headset, or any other hard-wired headset to make and receive phone calls through the Zumo. The problem is that the headset / radio combination is not Bluetooth capable. You can hear the calls come in, but that is only because the Zumo is sending the audio to the radio, just like it does with the navigation instructions and MP3 output.

In order to use your phone on the bike with your helmet and Zumo, you will need a Bluetooth enabled headset. Nolan has their own, self contained unit, to mount in the N-com, but you can't use it because you have the J&M units.

The ony way you would be able to do what you want is to install the HK Bluetooth Module on the bike, but then you will not benefit from the Bluetooth of the Zumo.

I hope this helps.
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« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2007, 04:11:43 PM »

When they add XM WX Weather to the Zumo's so I can get digital radar images, I'll be retiring my SP 2610. It has to be coming soon as it is such a logical extension for a motorcycle unit.

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« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2007, 04:18:59 PM »

When they add XM WX Weather to the Zumo's so I can get digital radar images, I'll be retiring my SP 2610. It has to be coming soon as it is such a logical extension for a motorcycle unit.

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Isn't that coverage currently limited to major metropolitan areas?

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« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2007, 04:31:17 PM »

Hi, Have a H-D Screamin' Eagle CVO Electra Glide Ultra Classic in Autumn Haze & Vivid Black. Just installed a Zumo 550
and now I am trying to use my bluetooth phone can hear but can not talk thru my Harley headset how are you doing this.  :nixweiss:

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It The problem may be with your TYPE of phone (Model) You may have to change your phone in order for it to work. That is one issue However Check with these folks and I bet they have a fix or suggestion for a fix.

http://www.cellset.com/
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« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2007, 06:43:12 AM »

Chuck,
Isn't that coverage currently limited to major metropolitan areas?

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The XM WX weather is not limited. It is a full featured set of weather information. The one with the limited info is the weather packaged with the Nav Traffic which is limited to conditions in certain major cities.

The XM WX weather is very complete:

Real-time NEXRAD radar:
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Satellite Mosaic:
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Severe Weather Storm Tracks:
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all in graphical displays. You can zoom in or out as you wish. It's like bringing along weather.com for your ride. There is also marine related info like wave heights, tides etc.

As far as the coverage, here is a pic of the radar coverage map:


When they add this to the Zumo line, a natural extension in my mind, I'll get one.
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« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2007, 07:36:49 AM »

The XM WX weather is not limited. It is a full featured set of weather information. The one with the limited info is the weather packaged with the Nav Traffic which is limited to conditions in certain major cities.

The XM WX weather is very complete:

Real-time NEXRAD radar:
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Satellite Mosaic:
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Severe Weather Storm Tracks:
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Winds Aloft:


all in graphical displays. You can zoom in or out as you wish. It's like bringing along weather.com for your ride. There is also marine related info like wave heights, tides etc.

As far as the coverage, here is a pic of the radar coverage map:


When they add this to the Zumo line, a natural extension in my mind, I'll get one.
Ok, thanks. I knew I had read/seen somewhere that there was a limitation on some system, but the one you have shown would be a nice feature. I ran into some rain on the way back from Rolling Thunder and by all looks of the sky it didn't appear that it was a big/heavy cell of rain as what I ran into. Would have been nice to pull up the maps you've shown so I would have known to pull over and prepare for impending weather.

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« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2007, 08:03:29 AM »

Ok, thanks. I knew I had read/seen somewhere that there was a limitation on some system, but the one you have shown would be a nice feature. I ran into some rain on the way back from Rolling Thunder and by all looks of the sky it didn't appear that it was a big/heavy cell of rain as what I ran into. Would have been nice to pull up the maps you've shown so I would have known to pull over and prepare for impending weather.

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Totally agree. I don't know how it works specifically, but if you could use it as an overlay, over the std. maps, it would be really trick. You could see your route, and the weather along it. Maybe seeing that, you could pop in a via point to take you right around it.

On Sunday after RT, we got to Front Royal just as the bottom fell out of the clouds. We were huddled up under the canopy of a gas station on the phone with Hoist. He and Andy did an awesom job in helping steer me around the nasty stuff. Phone calls like that wouldn't be necessary with the on-board radar displays.

The downside to this is the $30/mo for the weather package. I understand you can do it seasonally so you don't have to pay all year.
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Re: Zumo "extras"
« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2007, 04:19:14 PM »

Bob,
Is this helmet/headset bluetooth or only wired? Are you receiving hearing the calls thru your helmet/headset or just the speakers on the bike? The reason I ask is because I believe the only way to get the bluetooth option on the Zumo to work is to have a bluetooth Microphone/Headset on your helmet, and then pair it to the Zumo. :nixweiss: I'm thinking the MoCo bluetooth addition connects to the existing radio and is receiving/sending audio back to your phone, and is transmitting it to your helmet/headset thru the wires existing on bike. If you unplug your helmet/headset from the tank console would you still be able to use your phone bluetooth capabilities if you didn't have the Zumo on the bike?

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 Yes, I am only using the hard wired helmet, (Arai with built-in headset).  It sounds like the only options are to use the Nolan bluetooth helmet, or perhaps something from the folks at Kennedy.  I am planning to call Kennedy to see if they can offer anything.  Will let all know if they are able to offer anything that will work with what I have.  I checked the HD bluetooth unit but am not interested at $500. 
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« Reply #20 on: June 05, 2007, 05:26:26 PM »

It The problem may be with your TYPE of phone (Model) You may have to change your phone in order for it to work. That is one issue However Check with these folks and I bet they have a fix or suggestion for a fix.

http://www.cellset.com/

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 Total cost of $269.95 including shipping.  They said all items are plug and play.  I will have to save up and get these items and then hopefully all will work as wanted.  I guess the good news is that this is about half the price of the HD unit :2vrolijk_21:
Has anybody out there done this add?  If so, what was your outcome and how easy was the install?  Appreciate anyone's input.
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« Reply #21 on: June 05, 2007, 06:01:16 PM »

Vaz,

 Great input!  I jut got off the phone with Kennedy.  They said I could make it work with the use of four of their products:
Iso Set 2                #95376
Aux Audio Harness    #95348
GPS Harness            #95423
Cell Set                  #95418
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 Total cost of $269.95 including shipping.  They said all items are plug and play.  I will have to save up and get these items and then hopefully all will work as wanted.  I guess the good news is that this is about half the price of the HD unit :2vrolijk_21:
Has anybody out there done this add?  If so, what was your outcome and how easy was the install?  Appreciate anyone's input.

I thought they would be able to make it work :)

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« Reply #22 on: June 05, 2007, 06:26:57 PM »

Vaz,

 Great input!  I jut got off the phone with Kennedy.  They said I could make it work with the use of four of their products:
Iso Set 2                #95376
Aux Audio Harness    #95348
GPS Harness            #95423
Cell Set                  #95418
Switch Power          #95295

 Total cost of $269.95 including shipping.  They said all items are plug and play.  I will have to save up and get these items and then hopefully all will work as wanted.  I guess the good news is that this is about half the price of the HD unit :2vrolijk_21:
Has anybody out there done this add?  If so, what was your outcome and how easy was the install?  Appreciate anyone's input.

That's good to hear. When you get all the pieces, please do a write-up so we can all see how it goes together.
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« Reply #23 on: June 06, 2007, 11:31:10 AM »

That's good to hear. When you get all the pieces, please do a write-up so we can all see how it goes together.

Chief,

 I was hoping I wouldn't have to be the gunea pig :nervous:  I will take pictures when I get these units and install, but it probably won't be for about a month....too many other items on the priority list.  If anyone happens to do this first, please post.
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« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2007, 04:38:55 PM »

Totally agree. I don't know how it works specifically, but if you could use it as an overlay, over the std. maps, it would be really trick. You could see your route, and the weather along it. Maybe seeing that, you could pop in a via point to take you right around it.

On Sunday after RT, we got to Front Royal just as the bottom fell out of the clouds. We were huddled up under the canopy of a gas station on the phone with Hoist. He and Andy did an awesom job in helping steer me around the nasty stuff. Phone calls like that wouldn't be necessary with the on-board radar displays.

The downside to this is the $30/mo for the weather package. I understand you can do it seasonally so you don't have to pay all year.

I just looked at the XM site and the ground package costs $100 per month (with $100 setup charge).  Where did you see the $30 p/m plan? 

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Re: Zumo "extras"
« Reply #25 on: June 17, 2007, 05:51:01 PM »

I just looked at the XM site and the ground package costs $100 per month (with $100 setup charge).  Where did you see the $30 p/m plan? 

Mark

Skip the ground package and get the marine package for $30.
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Re: Zumo "extras"
« Reply #26 on: June 17, 2007, 05:53:42 PM »

Skip the ground package and get the marine package for $30.

What's the difference between the two.  The red bike had to deploy its water wings just a few days ago.  Marine might be better  :nixweiss: ?
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Re: Zumo "extras"
« Reply #27 on: June 17, 2007, 08:41:12 PM »

What's the difference between the two.  The red bike had to deploy its water wings just a few days ago.  Marine might be better  :nixweiss: ?

2ln I suggest you use several blowup arm wings strategically placed around the bike for maximum performance.

As far as the marine version of XM, that is what I have on my GPSMAP 478. It shows the weather superimposed on the map. What it does not include is the traffic reports. These reports IMHO are useless because they are always going to be delayed 15-20 minutes by technology limitations. Even if you get an accurate update how often are you going to be able to alter a route? The weather on the other hand is outstanding albeit expensive. $29.95/mo? It will show rain coming. You can also use it to view weather areas throughout the world. They will also let you turn it off during the winter months to keep the cost down.

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Re: Zumo "extras"
« Reply #28 on: June 19, 2007, 05:01:06 PM »

I just looked at the XM site and the ground package costs $100 per month (with $100 setup charge).  Where did you see the $30 p/m plan? 

Mark
I called XM and they told me to but the aviation package the lite model is 30 bucks per month plus set up. Not sure what the groung package is for . Hope this helps billy
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Re: Zumo "extras"
« Reply #29 on: June 20, 2007, 06:29:45 PM »

This is not limited to Zumo...since we're all probably using the same mapping software (V8 Mapsource), I'd like to throw out a general use question:  How do you plan an extended trip on your software to transfer to the unit?

Here's what I did last night...used the routing tool and marked my route with waypoints on key segments of the roads I want to travel.  I found you have to be careful doing this, as the routing tool will take you ways you don't really want to go if you don't mark points close enough to each other, particularly on certain roads.  I then used these points to "plan a route".  When the directions are given for that route, it does some funky things during the route, or at least it's saying it is.

Is there a better/easier way to do this?  I have a 2820, but that's really irrelevant if you do the routing on the PC then transfer the route.
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Re: Zumo "extras"
« Reply #30 on: June 20, 2007, 08:53:48 PM »

I actually use a method that while involved, works for me.  First, I use MS Streets and trips to lay out the route.  This allows for more detailed timing of the routing.  Basically I put in the start address and the end address and let it do it's thing.  I tell it that I want a 10 minute break every hour.  That gives me the outline for the number of days.  I then start to break it down into days and alternatively add stops I want to make such as National parks and estimated time off the bike.  This is an iterative process to get the general timing of the route each day and of course, the required HD Stops.   Once I am comfortable with the route, I start to use mapsource. 

I start by creating waypoints for all the stops I generated in Streets & Trips, put them in their own Category (Trip Planning) including any HD shops that I already had downloaded the entire waypoint file from the POI collections.  Then I begin a single route for the trip incorporating all the waypoints.  I then compare this route with the one in Streets 7 trips and alternate tweaking each route.

Once this step is 75% complete, I breakdown the single Mapsource Route into individual days by duplicating, renaming and removing unnecessary waypoints from each day.  This allows for better day by day use.  before downloading to the GPS, I delete all unused waypoints leaving only those in Trip Planning.  I also make sure that the day routes are named such that they are in order and have the actual day of travel in the title.

A couple of important notes regarding your planning. 

ZOOM IN to each waypoint you made by clicking on the map or dragging the route.  it is very possible that you put it on the wrong side of the road...eastbound I-90 when you were travelling westbound.  Also be aware of one-way roads.  If you use the FIND menu to create the waypoint from a POI such as a hotel or gas station, this is not necessary.

Sometimes, the algorithm is just messed up.  A few years ago, you could not plan to cross the Bear Mountain Bridge in NY...it did not know it existed...it would route you 30 miles up and around I-84.  Another one in your area is the Natchez Trace Parkway through Jackson, MS...it just doesn't exist!  It ends north of town at I-55 and picks up again at I-20.

I add avoid areas...like Manhattan and the George Washington Bridge.  This helps direct the route in the direction I want.

Always use common sense...sometimes there may be a reason the routing program takes you a roundabout way, such as when you have it set to avoid unpaved roads.

Lastly, I like to use waypoints as opposed to simple via points.  I use the term via points to mean those marks created by simply dragging the route to force it up another road.  By doing this, you can always ad-lib to one of your waypoints.

/Bill

This is not limited to Zumo...since we're all probably using the same mapping software (V8 Mapsource), I'd like to throw out a general use question:  How do you plan an extended trip on your software to transfer to the unit?

Here's what I did last night...used the routing tool and marked my route with waypoints on key segments of the roads I want to travel.  I found you have to be careful doing this, as the routing tool will take you ways you don't really want to go if you don't mark points close enough to each other, particularly on certain roads.  I then used these points to "plan a route".  When the directions are given for that route, it does some funky things during the route, or at least it's saying it is.

Is there a better/easier way to do this?  I have a 2820, but that's really irrelevant if you do the routing on the PC then transfer the route.
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Re: Zumo "extras"
« Reply #31 on: June 21, 2007, 06:32:14 PM »

I thought they would be able to make it work :)



Dumb question here....Why can't a regular bluetooth earpiece be used?  If you could pull your helmet on without dislodging the earpiece, would that allow you to receive and talk through a paired phone?
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Re: Zumo "extras"
« Reply #32 on: June 21, 2007, 11:15:37 PM »

Dumb question here....Why can't a regular bluetooth earpiece be used?  If you could pull your helmet on without dislodging the earpiece, would that allow you to receive and talk through a paired phone?

I've never seen one you didn't have to reach up and tap to initiate or answer a call.  Would probably look funny going down the road beating on the side of your helmet trying to answer the phone :smash: .
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Re: Zumo "extras"
« Reply #33 on: June 23, 2007, 09:27:27 AM »

Pretty sure you can answer the phone using the Zumo screen...never having to touch the Bluetooth headset.
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