Topic: Installed a Hayden Tensioner....and Amsoil Primary Fluid....... (Read 2559 times)

dayne66 · « **on:** July 11, 2020, 05:55:36 PM »

...and now have a "rattle".
At Idle in neutral.....snap the throttle and it has a big rattle. Snap throttle again from anything above idle and no rattle.

Let it settle down to idle again ....and there it is again...the big rattle.

I have it apart now......the 3/8" 'gap' is only about 5/16" without shims on a 70k km chain.

This compensator only has about 3000 km on it.

Oil was quite black when I drained it before installing the Hayden...only 3000 km.

I have had a hayden years ago on another bike without issue....could it be the fluid (amsoil)?....or the fluid accentuated the compensator's failing again?

fastfreddy · « **Reply #1 on:** July 11, 2020, 06:46:37 PM »

i have had same and other issues with the hayden .... went back to stock tensioner. also i have had 100% positive results with amsoil ... 47k on stock compensator and counting

Cvostu · « **Reply #2 on:** July 11, 2020, 08:00:59 PM »

Hey Dayne. I had a bad experience with my Hayden tensioner on my 12sg3 caused some serious issues I remember. Luckily I had the repair covered under warranty. I would suggest the stock one if you need to replace. I had no issues after. Stuart.

dayne66 · « **Reply #3 on:** July 11, 2020, 08:27:19 PM »

Thanks guys! Back to stock tensioner .....with Amsoil.

dayne66 · « **Reply #4 on:** July 11, 2020, 08:32:06 PM »

Quote from: Cvostu on July 11, 2020, 08:00:59 PM

Hey Dayne. I had a bad experience with my Hayden tensioner on my 12sg3 caused some serious issues I remember. Luckily I had the repair covered under warranty. I would suggest the stock one if you need to replace. I had no issues after. Stuart.

Did the dealer know you had the Hayden installed? My dealer would probably deny the claim! If the "rattle" remains with the stock tensioner and Amsoil......I'll change the fluid back to HD and take it in

Cvostu · « **Reply #5 on:** July 11, 2020, 11:47:50 PM »

Yes. He saw that I had it put in there. I have a great relationship with him so luckily for me he took care of it. Never again. 👍. Stuart

dayne66 · « **Reply #6 on:** July 12, 2020, 12:04:58 AM »

Quote from: Cvostu on July 11, 2020, 11:47:50 PM

Yes. He saw that I had it put in there. I have a great relationship with him so luckily for me he took care of it. Never again. 👍. Stuart

Did it cause damage? Or just noise/jerky engagement? Did you ride it at all?

Cvostu · « **Reply #7 on:** July 12, 2020, 01:08:14 AM »

I just remember that it messed up the primary side and caused a big problem. It was many years ago. I'd never use one again. Live and learn. Stuart

dayne66 · « **Reply #8 on:** July 12, 2020, 12:44:49 PM »

Quote from: Cvostu on July 12, 2020, 01:08:14 AM

I just remember that it messed up the primary side and caused a big problem. It was many years ago. I'd never use one again. Live and learn. Stuart

Hayden is out.....it's still on the lift but has the stock tensioner and Amsoil Primary in it......no horrendous rattle can be replicated when snapping the throttle under any condition. Hopefully that's the end of this saga as I'm not looking forward to a dealer encounter.

fastfreddy · « **Reply #9 on:** July 12, 2020, 01:07:44 PM »

i know the primary made some scary noises with the hayden, but every thing was good after removing it... i called them and told them about it and they refunded me my money FYI. go give it a test ride and let us know if all is good

Cvostu · « **Reply #10 on:** July 12, 2020, 01:26:05 PM »

I called Hayden several times when I was going through that. They never answered my calls or called me back. They were awful to deal with. I would warn anyone who asks. Stuart.

dayne66 · « **Reply #11 on:** July 12, 2020, 02:46:39 PM »

Quote from: fastfreddy on July 12, 2020, 01:07:44 PM

i know the primary made some scary noises with the hayden, but every thing was good after removing it... i called them and told them about it and they refunded me my money FYI. go give it a test ride and let us know if all is good

I'll hit them up for a refund!!...don't wanna use it in the Wife's bike either if it has potential to cause issues! Going for a test ride in a few minutes.....

dayne66 · « **Reply #12 on:** July 12, 2020, 03:40:32 PM »

Still has a little rattle when accelerating for about 2-3 seconds . Driving along in any gear at about 22-2600 rpm and roll on the throttle...a bit of a rattle...seems to be from front of primary. Had it before the Hayden and Amsoil....was trying to get rid of it thinking it was the tensioner letting the chain slap a bit......wasn't very tight when i first opened it up. Just took off the inspection plate and used a 'stick'...and the chain seems quite snug now.

I've got ESP!!!

Think there's another new compensator in my future.....hopefully can hold off until fall.

Cvostu · « **Reply #13 on:** July 12, 2020, 04:49:10 PM »

I'm thinking compensator. I had mine replaced under warranty on the 16rgu. Might be that. Mine was a bit noisy too. Stuart.

dayne66 · « **Reply #14 on:** July 13, 2020, 12:36:11 AM »

Quote from: Cvostu on July 12, 2020, 04:49:10 PM

I'm thinking compensator. I had mine replaced under warranty on the 16rgu. Might be that. Mine was a bit noisy too. Stuart.

Yeah...pretty sure it's the compensator ......will be the 4th new one. Original lasted over 50,000km.....then about 10,000...then about 5,000...and this one about 3000kms.

Thought they were supposed to get better as they progress through the alphabet.

fastfreddy · « **Reply #15 on:** July 13, 2020, 05:28:41 PM »

sure its not a ping ?? tune issue ??

i had to buy some 87 octane fuel on my last trip and it had a lill ping on some long grade hills ... same driving condition you just explained

bgdv1 · « **Reply #16 on:** August 15, 2020, 07:38:39 PM »

Quote from: dayne66 on July 11, 2020, 05:55:36 PM

...and now have a "rattle".
At Idle in neutral.....snap the throttle and it has a big rattle. Snap throttle again from anything above idle and no rattle.

Let it settle down to idle again ....and there it is again...the big rattle.

I have it apart now......the 3/8" 'gap' is only about 5/16" without shims on a 70k km chain.

This compensator only has about 3000 km on it.

Oil was quite black when I drained it before installing the Hayden...only 3000 km.

I have had a hayden years ago on another bike without issue....could it be the fluid (amsoil)?....or the fluid accentuated the compensator's failing again?

After the 2nd comp was replaced in my '11 SG I put a Hayden M6 in it and always run Amsoil oils Ive had no problems since. Have 1 setting on work bench for the RG just debating because I have 4 yrs of ESP left.

longlast · « **Reply #17 on:** August 21, 2020, 04:16:23 AM »

Quote from: dayne66 on July 11, 2020, 05:55:36 PM

...and now have a "rattle".
At Idle in neutral.....snap the throttle and it has a big rattle. Snap throttle again from anything above idle and no rattle.

Let it settle down to idle again ....and there it is again...the big rattle.

I have it apart now......the 3/8" 'gap' is only about 5/16" without shims on a 70k km chain.

This compensator only has about 3000 km on it.

Oil was quite black when I drained it before installing the Hayden...only 3000 km.

I have had a hayden years ago on another bike without issue....could it be the fluid (amsoil)?....or the fluid accentuated the compensator's failing again?

dayne,... looking threw your thread I have a Hayden M6 I've installed I just curious what was the issue with the tensioner?
What was causing it to make the rattle? What failed on it? Is it the springs not being up to the job ?

I ask because I've got a bit of a rattling/ heavy tapping/ clicking sort of noise that I haven't really pin pointed yet.
Top gear there's no noise it's more noticeable in lower gears, or like you described in "N" if I rev it up I can hear it, running slow in second/ thread gear it noticeable.

Thanks for any input.

dayne66 · « **Reply #18 on:** August 21, 2020, 02:07:13 PM »

It's in the shop now waiting for parts. They have a compensator but want to replace the tensioner and chain (both coming fron the US warehouse)because they are baffled as to why I'm eating compensators at an increasingly fast rate.

I put the stock tensioner back in...went on a 1800km vacation .....and it got really loud on the way home. Sounds like LOUD top end noise...but can be traced to primary when putting an ear near it. Gets louder with RPM...not speed. And more vibes felt in feet.......and the horn 'bounces' more.

The Hayden seemed to be fine.....good spring tension....was wondering why I did NOT need a shim with a 65k+ km chain though.Rear tire was in the air and the measurement was per spec and done as on their video.

TO me ....that sounds like the compensator going.

longlast · « **Reply #19 on:** August 21, 2020, 02:44:20 PM »

My compensator has got just under 5k on it as well as the tensioner they were installed at the same time.
It is close to it's oil change looks like I'll have to investigate and pop the primary open . Cheers

Author Topic: Installed a Hayden Tensioner....and Amsoil Primary Fluid....... (Read 2559 times)