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FLSTFI Dave

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Re: 2018-2019 comparison of engine and primary changes
« Reply #30 on: October 13, 2018, 08:58:18 AM »

Miss me yet?..... ;D
Nope, Have an old reliable 2003 Fatboy.

Also have a 13 CVO with the prone to lifter failure motor for when the M8 sumps.

Beside the V-rod can harley make a reliable motor?   Oops, the V-rod was a Porsche design.
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Re: 2018-2019 comparison of engine and primary changes
« Reply #31 on: October 13, 2018, 09:16:16 AM »

That's exactly why I hang on to my 2002.  With the "hybrid" camplate upgrade and Torrington inner bearing it's pretty reliable.  Still has the good crank and crank bearings.  And of course carbureted whick is simple and reliable.
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Re: 2018-2019 comparison of engine and primary changes
« Reply #32 on: October 13, 2018, 09:25:10 AM »

I am holding on to my old EVO.  ;D
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Re: 2018-2019 comparison of engine and primary changes
« Reply #33 on: October 15, 2018, 07:47:50 PM »

The pictures beg the obvious question Brad.  Since the seal carries a separate part number itself with the part in hand does it look to be as simple a replacement as the pictures suggest?

Well, check out this write up I ran across while looking at the torque cam. 

https://www.harley-davidson.com/store/milwaukee-eight-stage-ii-torque-kit

This kit was developed for the budget minded rider that wants to experience crisp throttle response and acceleration they can feel at slower speeds. The 5% increase in torque can be felt immediately off the line and continues to build by up to a 14% increase @ 4500 RPM – the ideal power band for passing slow moving vehicles. For ’17 and ’18 Touring models, installation of oil pump cover P/N 62400206 is recommended (sold separately). All models require ECM calibration with Screamin’ Eagle® Pro Street Tuner for proper installation. See Dealer for details. Pending approval for use in California on '19 models. Refer to the product information at www.H-D.com/shop for status.

    Delivers enhanced torque and horsepower in the low to mid RPM range
    Produces passing power without a downshift or high revs
    Minimally invasive only requiring opening of the cam chest
    Retains Original Equipment Factory Warranty
    Stage II Upgrade
    50-State U.S. EPA compliant
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Re: 2018-2019 comparison of engine and primary changes
« Reply #34 on: October 16, 2018, 08:13:51 AM »

Well, check out this write up I ran across while looking at the torque cam. 

https://www.harley-davidson.com/store/milwaukee-eight-stage-ii-torque-kit

This kit was developed for the budget minded rider that wants to experience crisp throttle response and acceleration they can feel at slower speeds. The 5% increase in torque can be felt immediately off the line and continues to build by up to a 14% increase @ 4500 RPM – the ideal power band for passing slow moving vehicles. For ’17 and ’18 Touring models, installation of oil pump cover P/N 62400206 is recommended (sold separately). All models require ECM calibration with Screamin’ Eagle® Pro Street Tuner for proper installation. See Dealer for details. Pending approval for use in California on '19 models. Refer to the product information at www.H-D.com/shop for status.

    Delivers enhanced torque and horsepower in the low to mid RPM range
    Produces passing power without a downshift or high revs
    Minimally invasive only requiring opening of the cam chest
    Retains Original Equipment Factory Warranty
    Stage II Upgrade
    50-State U.S. EPA compliant

Same kind of response everyone got on earlier issues like the compensator.  Harley will be more than happy to SELL you the supposed fix to a problem they created, instead of them providing it under the factory warranty and free of charge.  And they will get away with it this time, just like they have so many times in the past, because the typical customer will let them get away with it.  They've been conditioning customers to accept this kind of shoddy treatment for a very long time.

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Re: 2018-2019 comparison of engine and primary changes
« Reply #35 on: October 18, 2018, 11:36:34 AM »

 Man. I’m rethinking my decision to trade my 17 SG on the Mako now.

Cons-
    Both have the potential to sump.
   Spending another $15,000-$17,000 difference.

Pros (?) -
   Having one bike air cooled again (no lowers!)
   Having a 117 vs 114
    Factory 2 year warranty (warranty almost done on SG).
   Having two Road Glides!!
   

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Re: 2018-2019 comparison of engine and primary changes
« Reply #36 on: October 19, 2018, 08:30:04 AM »

Rob,

I would have never believed it when I traded my 17 SESG for my 18 SERG that the 3 cubic inch increase would be noticeable.  However it really is.  The reason is the 117 has a different cam, and it is an improvement.
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Re: 2018-2019 comparison of engine and primary changes
« Reply #37 on: October 19, 2018, 10:17:57 AM »

That’s good to hear. Thank you Dave.
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Re: 2018-2019 comparison of engine and primary changes
« Reply #38 on: October 19, 2018, 06:36:38 PM »

Man. I’m rethinking my decision to trade my 17 SG on the Mako now.


Rob
That's called "buyers remorse" we all get it..
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Re: 2018-2019 comparison of engine and primary changes
« Reply #39 on: October 19, 2018, 06:57:21 PM »

That's called "buyers remorse" we all get it..

The good thing is...I haven’t bought it yet!  :drink:
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Re: 2018-2019 comparison of engine and primary changes
« Reply #40 on: November 06, 2018, 01:08:17 PM »

Is a cvo compensation the same as a non cvo
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Re: 2018-2019 comparison of engine and primary changes
« Reply #41 on: November 06, 2018, 08:33:17 PM »

The good thing is...I haven’t bought it yet!  :drink:

Worked the numbers out today. Mako is shipping (supposedly) this Friday the 9th. Keeping my fingers crossed on this sumping issue. 👀

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Re: 2018-2019 comparison of engine and primary changes
« Reply #42 on: November 07, 2018, 08:32:08 AM »

Worked the numbers out today. Mako is shipping (supposedly) this Friday the 9th. Keeping my fingers crossed on this sumping issue. 👀

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Congratulations, that is a beautiful bike.  Be sure and post pictures when you get it.
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Re: 2018-2019 comparison of engine and primary changes
« Reply #43 on: November 07, 2018, 09:09:38 AM »

Im being told by SD Harley I have a sumping issue with my 2019 RG CVO with a stage 4. Now what????
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Re: 2018-2019 comparison of engine and primary changes
« Reply #44 on: November 07, 2018, 09:47:36 AM »

Im being told by SD Harley I have a sumping issue with my 2019 RG CVO with a stage 4. Now what????

How did they determine it sumped? Does it have the latest oil pump?
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