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CVO Technical => EVO => Topic started by: Hoist! on April 26, 2007, 05:03:16 PM
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Hey gang! If you followed my thread on my timing hole problem, you'll already know there's a chance I have to pull the motor, and split the cases on my '85 FXWG. This is a Factory 4-speed with an Evo motor. If I need to do this, I'll probably get a new motor. The $64K question; what is the largest Evo engine that can fit in a stock '85 4-speed swingarm frame? I don't want too tall of a leg in it, like the early S&S 103's. Nowadays, the make bigger bore Evo's. 10 years ago, all you could get was 3-3/4" Barels, so you'd use a tall leg to get displacement. They make much bigger bore Evo's now, but most modern frames have more room than a stock '85 4-speed frame. A 113 or 117 would be nice in that bike!
So again, based on the above, does anyone know the largest Evo motor to fit this bike?
Take off your TC hats and try to remember way back to the Evo days. Anyone have any answers on this?
Thanks gang! Hoist! 8)
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Hoist
Go to the JimsUSA site and check out the 120 to fit in an EVO frame!
www.jimsusa.com
This is not what you asked for but it's a great option!
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Hoist
Go to the JimsUSA site and check out the 120 to fit in an EVO frame!
www.jimsusa.com
This is not what you asked for but it's a great option!
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The bike is an '85. This style engine won't mount to my frame properly. I'm thinking S&S has something. Chances are, if we can't get the case tapped, I'll put the stroker motor from my Pro Street into it for now. Still interested in what my new engine options are. Thanks anyway Chip. Hoist! 8)
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why cant the jims motor fit in your frame?? your frame was built for an evo,right?
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Just an option here, why not a Fatso motor? Evo bottom, Twin Cam top end. OR the Twin Cam that bolts in an Evo frame!
As for the timing plug why not over bore it and build a new plug?
Weld the cases back up and tap a standard size hole in it?
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why cant the jims motor fit in your frame?? your frame was built for an evo,right?
The 4- speed Evo frame is extermely tight. I don't know if the width with larger barrels, or height with a stroker will allow changing dimensions very much. I was hoping someone would know what fits and what doesn't. I will not need it as of now, but I'd still like to know that for future reference. But we fixed the hole!!! Hoist! 8)
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Just an option here, why not a Fatso motor? Evo bottom, Twin Cam top end. OR the Twin Cam that bolts in an Evo frame!
As for the timing plug why not over bore it and build a new plug?
Weld the cases back up and tap a standard size hole in it?
Those are some engine options to explore. And we could have easily fixed it by pulling the motor and splitting the cases. But my buddy Vern got creative and retapped it with the engine and primary still fully assembled. I described what he did here. http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=12876.msg202680#msg202680 Well Chit does happen and creative people work around it. Uncreative people just pay!!! ;) Hoist! 8)
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I thought the S&S 145 was the largest Evo style Motor, but there's companies out there that will build you whatever you can afford to pay for
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Here is my FXR with a S&S 124.
In my 15 year journey to eliminate stock HD parts, i am now down to only the frame. Just put the Storz front end on.
best
Free
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Here is my FXR with a S&S 124.
In my 15 year journey to eliminate stock HD parts, i am now down to only the frame. Just put the Storz front end on.
best
Free
That thing looks awesome Free! :2vrolijk_21: It must really Rock and Roll too! ;) Hoist! 8)
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Here is my FXR with a S&S 124.
In my 15 year journey to eliminate stock HD parts, i am now down to only the frame. Just put the Storz front end on.
best
Free
That is sweet. :2vrolijk_21: I can only imagine how much fun it is to twist that throttle. :vrolijk27:
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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dOOd - it is a blast to ride. engine is broken in so going to get it Dynoed soon (just for chits and giggles).
Its a nice alternative to the super heavy and bulky CUSE.
Free
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Here is my FXR with a S&S 124.
In my 15 year journey to eliminate stock HD parts, i am now down to only the frame. Just put the Storz front end on.
best
Free
Absolutely gorgeous ride. Thanks for sharing. One question ? Aren't those side covers stock ?
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Absolutely gorgeous ride. Thanks for sharing. One question ? Aren't those side covers stock ?
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BB - well you got me there. I guess there are a few things stock remaining!
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Actually, while we are on the topic, i have a question for the experienced members of the Board
Would you suggest that i register the bike at the DMV for the new engine serial number. My engine number on my title of course now doesn't match the new engine.
when i first got the engine, i called the DMV and they suggested that i should re-register the bike and that i may need to have the CHP (california highway patrol) check the bike for "emmissions". I never followed through. What is my risk if i dont follow through? Is there a risk that the S&S engine does not pass emissions in california? Are the CHP going to bust my balls? Anyway, i have been putting this off because of the fear of the unknown but figured i would see if anyone else has dealt with this.
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Actually, while we are on the topic, i have a question for the experienced members of the Board
Would you suggest that i register the bike at the DMV for the new engine serial number. My engine number on my title of course now doesn't match the new engine.
when i first got the engine, i called the DMV and they suggested that i should re-register the bike and that i may need to have the CHP (california highway patrol) check the bike for "emmissions". I never followed through. What is my risk if i dont follow through? Is there a risk that the S&S engine does not pass emissions in california? Are the CHP going to bust my balls? Anyway, i have been putting this off because of the fear of the unknown but figured i would see if anyone else has dealt with this.
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Free,
You're in in uncharted waters here with the CHP now that the law allowing one SPCNS bike per person every 5 years is in effect. Depending on whether or not they determine your bike to be a stock H-D with a re-engine or a custom, you could see a bunch of chit happen. My advice and this is what I would do. Keep the MSO for the engine in a water tight baggie taped to the underside of of your seat. If you get stopped, give up your license and registration and nothing else. Don't offer anything unless asked. Sit there with you hands on your handlebars and play dumb.
I've lived in Dago for 9 years and flew 1% MC colors for 5 and never had a cop check my VIN or engine #. If they start to, then explain that you changed out the engine and have the MSO under your seat. You might at that point get told you need to re-register,you might even get some kind of fixit ticket, but honestly I doubt this is going to happen to you unless you do something dumbass that causes them to impound your bike ( over 100mph, DUI etc)
JMHO
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thanks BB - makes sense to me.
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hoist, you may want to check out R&R up in NH
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hoist, you may want to check out R&R up in NH
Thanks Neal. I've heard nothing but great things about R&R. But I backed down from the biggest motor thing, that I originally spoke of in this thread. I want a long-lasting, reliable street bike. Not too radical. The 113 has a 4.5" leg. Not too big of a stroker. I like the shorter leg in the Evo motor. I also like the smaller cam. The 124 uses a 640 lift cam, and if I'm not mistaken, a 5/8" leg. The 124 is no doubt a beast, but the 113 should hold up much better. R&R stuff is more custom and would be very expensive. As it is, with someone doing me a favor, the motor is 5 grand! Didn't really want to spend that much. But when I added all the new top end parts it came to $2500 before labor. So I figured I'd bite the bullet and go for the 5 grand and get everything new this way. And it comes with a 3-year P&L w.....ty too! ;)
Hoist! 8)
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i remmber R&R was doing a top end setup for the 113" S&S thats why i thought you might want to check them out
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i remmber R&R was doing a top end setup for the 113" S&S thats why i thought you might want to check them out
Everyone's telling me to do work on it before I install it. I've been riding that bike at 75 HP for years. the 113 is a bolt-in 100-110 HP engine. Can it be made into a 125+ HP monster too? Absolutely. But for now, off the shelf, it'll be night and day compared to what I have. I figure I'll grow into this engine, then worry about modifying it down the road. Like Chip says, a man can never have enough HP! But if I do it all now, what will I do next year? ::)
Hoist! 8)
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true, at one time R&R was selling a complete motor built with S&S lower and their upper, so it was more reasonably priced then buying a crate S&S then having them do their top end
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true, at one time R&R was selling a complete motor built with S&S lower and their upper, so it was more reasonably priced then buying a crate S&S then having them do their top end
Thanks, hadn't considered that. I'll call them to find out if anything can be done by them, cheaper than 5 grand. I might be the one surprised. That would be a real treat! :2vrolijk_21:
Hoist! 8)
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doubt it will be under 5, but you never know
http://www.rrcycles.com/ if you need it
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doubt it will be under 5, but you never know
http://www.rrcycles.com/ if you need it
Thanks for your help Neal. I'll give them a shout. :2vrolijk_21:
Hoist! 8)
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Hey gang! If you followed my thread ... The $64K question... Anyone have any answers on this?
Thanks gang! Hoist! 8)
Howie, having heard some of this and other stories of your bike builds, is 64K going to cover it? :coolblue:
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Howie, having heard some of this and other stories of your bike builds, is 64K going to cover it? :coolblue:
I'm trying to limit the $64K to the SERK Jamey! This one should get done for under $10K! The new bikes seem to need more help than the old ones do! Go figure! ;)
Hoist! 8)
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I'm trying to limit the $64K to the SERK Jamey! This one should get done for under $10K! The new bikes seem to need more help than the old ones do! Go figure! ;)
Hoist! 8)
Hey Howie, any updates on this project or is it still in the back of the garage? :nixweiss:har! :drink: spyder
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Hey Howie, any updates on this project or is it still in the back of the garage? :nixweiss:har! :drink: spyder
The WG is still intact, as I won't take it down until Cybil's finished. i won't have 2 bikes down at the same time if I can help it. That way I can still ride whenever I want to. ;)
Hopefully we'll be starting the CVOization of the old WG by the beginning of Feb. Thanks for asking spyd! :2vrolijk_21:
Hoist! 8)