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NASCAR but without fans in the stands. That'll be like 50 or 60 people that would normally be at a race that won't get to show up now.
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Unfair. The average was at least 123 in the stands. 14-18 of them paid to get in. This 123 number includes vendors & parking lot attendants & wives/girlfriends. Add in drivers & crews & tv peeps & that number could triple.
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NASCAR but without fans in the stands. That'll be like 50 or 60 people that would normally be at a race that won't get to show up now.
Really depends on track. Bristol was always sold out as for a few others. At least one or more pro sport is realizing they cant stay shut down.
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Baseball is trying to set up an 82 game schedule, but certain prima donnas won't agree to taking a pay cut. Certain pitcher has been very outspoken about expecting his full contract amount, even though he would only be playing a half season, which for a pitcher is about 32 starts in a five man rotation. $7,000,000 over 32 games, or nothing for zero games. I think if I was the owner of that team I'd tell him fine, zero it is.
Jerry
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NASCAR but without fans in the stands. That'll be like 50 or 60 people that would normally be at a race that won't get to show up now.
NASCAR is a lot like Harley, dying a slow death at the hands of imbeciles at the top. In NASCAR's case, they may find at many tracks having no one in the stands is a plus, with lower costs offsetting any loss at the concession stands at the sparsely attended races. I'm not a regular watcher these days, but the last time I glanced at a race for a few minutes I noticed the camera crew tried to avoid shots of the large swaths of empty seats in many sections, most likely under orders from NASCAR. Wouldn't want people to know how low they've fallen.
Jerry
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NASCAR is a lot like Harley, dying a slow death at the hands of imbeciles at the top. In NASCAR's case, they may find at many tracks having no one in the stands is a plus, with lower costs offsetting any loss at the concession stands at the sparsely attended races. I'm not a regular watcher these days, but the last time I glanced at a race for a few minutes I noticed the camera crew tried to avoid shots of the large swaths of empty seats in many sections, most likely under orders from NASCAR. Wouldn't want people to know how low they've fallen.
Jerry
Your spot on! Nascar started painting track seats multi colors, so it looks like a crowd too!
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Baseball is trying to set up an 82 game schedule, but certain prima donnas won't agree to taking a pay cut. Certain pitcher has been very outspoken about expecting his full contract amount, even though he would only be playing a half season, which for a pitcher is about 32 starts in a five man rotation. $7,000,000 over 32 games, or nothing for zero games. I think if I was the owner of that team I'd tell him fine, zero it is.
Jerry
Where a lot of pro sports is concerned when ownership/labor issues are the topic and it's the proverbial "millionaires versus billionaires" debate I tend to zone out and think a pox on both their houses. I saw this story though and, surprisingly even to me, I think the pitcher has a leg to stand on.
Baseball, as part of its collective agreement that was done by the strongest union in sports, already agreed to a pro-rated salary change relative to number of games played. Ownership made the suggestion and the union agreed. Now ownership is asking for another lowering of payroll based on other revenue changes; in a sport where salary as a percentage of overall revenue has never been accepted by the union and ownership has gone along with that.
Now this particular pitcher. A young guy (compared to us they all are). Making $7m per year this upcoming season. Made $1m last year if what I read is correct. Cy Young Award winner recently and only been pitching since 2016.
He plays in Florida so presumably no state income tax. But after Federal taxes, agent's fees, etc, optimistically estimate he's keeping 50%. So he's making $3.5m this upcoming season and had maybe $500,000 last year. He's still on an early contract. So while current salaries are nothing to sneeze his really big paydays are ahead of him. The contracts that will set him and family and kids and college etc are the ones in front of him (if he's smart).
So his Union has already agreed that he gets prorated pay this year. 82 game schedule cuts the $3.5m in half to $1.75m. If he can afford not to work this season he has to measure that against his view of the health threat that is the team environment during the current climate. I'm not sure I'd wager the future contract of a Cy Young award winner in baseball against a health and welfare threatened half season's salary right now.
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I think a combination NASCAR/MLB sport has potential. Play ball on track infield. Fly balls taking out windshields could be a problem.
The cars racing around a baseball stadium track would be dicey but it would keep me awake.
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Thats a great idea ISKI maybe mix ice hockey and basketball together that might be fun or better yet tennis and boxing.....
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I think a combination NASCAR/MLB sport has potential. Play ball on track infield. Fly balls taking out windshields could be a problem.
The cars racing around a baseball stadium track would be dicey but it would keep me awake.
Drone vehicles buzzing around the warning track shooting salt rounds would liven up the game! Designated tanker in American League only though.
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Thats a great idea ISKI maybe mix ice hockey and basketball together that might be fun or better yet tennis and boxing.....
Or Soccer & Volleyball. Synchronized swimming & competition rowing would be fun to watch.
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Drone vehicles buzzing around the warning track shooting salt rounds would liven up the game! Designated tanker in American League only though.
Morton Salt sponsor tie-in, a win-win!
When NASCAR takes it's break in the middle of the race for the drivers to have high tea & crumpets or whatever they do now, the baseball players could suit up & drive while the drivers played ball. Maybe put home plate at the finish line to make it more interesting?
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this quarantine thing is starting to affect you guys. you need to get out some. minds are starting to go to LEFT field. may be getting a little too stir crazy. :orange: :mango: :bananarock: :pineapple: :pepper: :huepfenlol2:
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I just realized what NASCAR could do to bring back my interest. I'd watch this. NASCAR figure 8 racing !!
Seriously, there'd be TWO infields! You could put baseball teams and marginally clad persons of interest in each one. Fireworks; lots of big non-safe fireworks. Hot dog vendors in bad-ass little motorized carts that actually get to (have to) cross the track. And squirrels. Squirrel Road Kill at NASCAR; lots of squirrels.
I'd watch this.
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this quarantine thing is starting to affect you guys. you need to get out some. minds are starting to go to LEFT field. may be getting a little too stir crazy. :orange: :mango: :bananarock: :pineapple: :pepper: :huepfenlol2:
Uh, yeah..... just maybe he's ^^ on to something.....
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I don't know how many realize who owns the tracks the are racing on.
The France Family owns International Speedway Corp.
ISC tracks
Track Name Location Length Seating Year Opened Year Acquired[A]
Auto Club Speedway Fontana, CA 2.0 miles (3.2 km) 68,000 1997 1999
Chicagoland Speedway Joliet, IL 1.5 miles (2.4 km) 47,000[9] 2001 2007
Darlington Raceway Darlington, SC 1.366 miles (2.198 km) 47,000[9] 1950 1982
Daytona International Speedway Daytona Beach, FL 2.5 miles (4.0 km) 101,000 1959 1959
Homestead-Miami Speedway Homestead, FL 1.5 miles (2.4 km) 46,000 1995 1999
Kansas Speedway Kansas City, KS 48,000[9] 2001 2001
Martinsville Speedway Ridgeway, VA .526 miles (0.847 km) 44,000[9] 1947 2004
Michigan International Speedway Brooklyn, MI 2.0 miles (3.2 km) 56,000[9] 1968 1999
Phoenix Raceway Avondale, AZ 1.0 mile (1.6 km) 42,000[9] 1964 1997
Richmond Raceway Richmond, VA .75 miles (1.21 km) 51,000[9] 1946 1999
Route 66 Raceway Joliet, IL .25 miles (0.40 km) dragstrip 30,000 1998 2007
Talladega Superspeedway Talladega, AL 2.66 miles (4.28 km) 78,000 1969 1969
Watkins Glen International Watkins Glen, NY 2.45 miles (3.94 km) road course 38,900 1948 1997
Then you have Speedway Motorsports Corp. Which owns these tracks. Majority owned by Bruton Smith.
Facilities owned
Track Location Facility acreage Main layout* Seating capacity Year opened Acquired date Major series
Atlanta Motor Speedway Hampton, GA 820 1.54 miles (2.48 km) quad-oval 71,000 1960 1990 NASCAR
Bristol Motor Speedway Bristol, TN 670 0.533 miles (0.858 km) oval 160,000 1961 1996 NASCAR, NHRA
Charlotte Motor Speedway Concord, NC 1,310 1.5 miles (2.4 km) quad-oval 94,000 1960 1975 NASCAR, NHRA, WoO
Kentucky Speedway Sparta, KY 820 1.5 miles (2.4 km) tri-oval 107,000 2000 May 22, 2008 NASCAR
Las Vegas Motor Speedway Las Vegas, NV 1,030 1.5 miles (2.4 km) D shaped-oval 80,000 1996 1999 NASCAR, NHRA, WoO
New Hampshire Motor Speedway Loudon, NH 1,180 1.058 miles (1.703 km) oval 88,000 1990 November 2, 2007 NASCAR
North Wilkesboro Speedway North Wilkesboro, NC 0.625 miles (1.006 km) oval 40,000 1947 N/A
Sonoma Raceway Sonoma, CA 1,600 1.99 miles (3.20 km) road course 47,000 1968 1996 NASCAR, NHRA
Texas Motor Speedway Fort Worth, TX 1,490 1.5 miles (2.4 km) quad-oval 181,655 1996 1995 (Built) NASCAR, IndyCar
*Some facilities include multiple layouts and multiple tracks including road courses, dirt ovals and dragways
Now follow the money and and you don't have to wonder why NASCAR is returning to the track that they are.
Mike
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