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[iski]

Thanks. I wouldn't say the heat was an issue. In fact I think they did an excellent job directing the engine heat away from the rider. I just wanted those reading the review to understand there is still significant (although far less) heat from the water-cooled 114 after its been heated up on a warm day and then stopped at multiple lights in a row. One other thing on heat. Once the engine was heated up alot from highway riding, temps above 90 i noticed ALOT of heat on my shins riding with my feet on the highway pegs. Of course that position puts the vented engine heat from the radiators right onto my shins. It seemed to get worse the longer I rode to the point it was very uncomfortable. I figured WTH, they couldn't have designed it like that. Then I remembered... the lower fairing vents were still closed. Once I opened them it cooled the engine but I also think it changes the airflow around the lowers and almost immediately eliminated the hot vented air from my shins. I'll be leaving the vents open all the time unless its an extraordinary cold day.

While I've learned the Nav unit more and it is better than I originally felt, its still unacceptably complex and slow to get to simple functions. I'll be adding my Garmin and using the Boom system primarily for its sound system.

The bike goes in next week for the 117 upgrade, Street Cannons, Street tuner and Coolfan installs.

My lower vents were always open, might be why I did not notice the heat back when we were having 90+ days. I will close them when it gets cold enough - living here that is not much of the time. I'm 6'3" & moved the highway pegs lower on the crash bar - noticed that helped with the hot air off the radiators on the shins.  I have some Harley highway peg adapters that are unused now - they allow for positions much closer or further away from the crash bar depending upon comfort/leg length.  They were on my 07 CVO SEULTRA but did not need them on the 2010 or on this 2017 so far.

Very pleased with the sound system portion. Will probably end up with a handlebar mounted GPS later than sooner & will likely be a Garmin.  The visibility of the Infotainment screen is very good, might look into something that would allow a programmable external GPS to be viewed there - if there is such a thing?

So far no plans for engine upgrades here but look forward with interest to your report after the 117 upgrade.

Overall a very good bike - am more pleased with it from brand new than any other HD I have owned.

[ultrafxr]

Thanks for the review....I too was a Garmin Guy for years and when I got my 15 I also hated the Infotainment System and was going to install a Zumo.

But after a while and getting more familiar with it, I have warmed up to it and feel it is really not that bad of a unit.

Good luck with your new bike!

Cat

I agree that the infotainment gps is not that bad but unfortunately it is not that good either.  The display color and resolution is way better than Garmin and it is in a good location to check.  What I don't like however is the inability to select manual recalculation if you go off route.  Even a slight variation may get you on a different road to your next waypoint.  And it doesn't follow the predetermined route I've created on Mapsource or BaseCamp nearly as well as the Garmin does.  Perhaps that is because the Garmin software and gps device use the very same map database while the moco gps may very well have a different database.  In any case the moco gps is forever trying to 'shortcut' me to the road at the next turn by taking roads that angle over vs. going to the intersection and making a turn.  May be ok but some of the roads it wants me to take don't look good at all.  So I've installed a new RT Zumo 590 to use in conjunction with the built in moco gps.  Maybe between the two of them i can get to where I am headed, lol.

[hawg02]

Good Read.

But guess I'm a old timer, I dislike the hydraulic clutch! its full or not, no feathering.

[ultrafxr]

Good Read.

But guess I'm a old timer, I dislike the hydraulic clutch! its full or not, no feathering.

I tend to agree that the hydro clutch on the '17s doesn't have much of a friction zone but I've trained myself to be a bit more careful as I let it out if I need to feather it.  Other than that I like it fine but then again I've had a hydro clutch on all my H-Ds since 2005 so it isn't all that much different then the ones on my other bikes.

[AMEDD_SFC]

Dear Heatwave:

You may have found it already or moved on to your Garmin, but there is a setting for the GPS (lane info or something) that shows a representation of the lanes at the bottom of the map for upcoming maneuvers.  Super helpful when one is on a multi lane road, as it shows which lanes are exits so you know how far to get over.

I will admit that there are far better GPS systems out there, but getting to know the HD system (and learning the thumb controls!) make it far more useful.  It was a steep learning curve.

Best,

Mark

[Heatwave]

I agree that there are features in the Harley GPS that are deeper in the menus but its just not intuitive and far too restrictive. I've connected my Zumo through the optional Boom interface http://www.harley-davidson.com/store/35mm-auxiliary-input-kit . I now have my Zumo connected nicely into the Boom system and can play my music and get all direction cues through the Boom audio or my headset.

Dear Heatwave:

You may have found it already or moved on to your Garmin, but there is a setting for the GPS (lane info or something) that shows a representation of the lanes at the bottom of the map for upcoming maneuvers.  Super helpful when one is on a multi lane road, as it shows which lanes are exits so you know how far to get over.

I will admit that there are far better GPS systems out there, but getting to know the HD system (and learning the thumb controls!) make it far more useful.  It was a steep learning curve.

Best,

Mark