120 with water cooled heads on CVO and Ultra Limited. Redesigned 110 in all other big twins. 2016 will bring big changes, second only to 2014.
Major changes to softail line to spark sales. Heritage springer will return. Will be powered by new 110 motor and new frame.
120 with water cooled heads on CVO and Ultra Limited. Redesigned 110 in all other big twins. 2016 will bring big changes, second only to 2014.
Doesn't sound like speculation....Care to elaborate?
Yes, prior to retirement I was providing internet marketing for a few car dealerships. Not new to CVO Harley. Com, just new to this app.
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I am speculating......It will be interesting to see if I am close to correct. The reason I think Harley going to make engine changes is due to the length of production for the twin cam. 1999 to 2015, that's 16 years. Harley now has competition from Indian, they have a larger standard engine than Harley, 111 vs 103, Harley must desire to close that gap. If they don't make substantial changes to the 2016 touring line, sales will start dropping. The Rushmore owners will need something substantial to consider trading.I suspect Harley's customers are getting grayer and the tourers are more appealing to that demographic. With flat softail sales, that seems to indicate a failure to draw younger customers. Of course, this is just speculation on my part.
The softail line, once Harley's top sellers are now dead. My local dealer, a large store in a large market only sold 4 Heritage softails last year, they only sold 1 Fat Boy. For the entire 2014 model year. Harley needs to do something big to fire the line up, something as dramatic as the Rushmore rollout. If Harley can add comfort to the softail line, they just might start selling better. The reason I mentioned the springer heritage, it would be a great bike to compete toe to toe with the Indian classic. Both bikes represent the same period of history. The Heritage Springers would sell well with updates, IMHO.
I could be all wet, time will tell. Harley needs to light a fire under the 2016 lineup and the new "Street" line is not the answer.
I stopped worrying about new models after I purchased and dealt with the problems on my 07 seultra. Never ever buy another new oneI hear ya :drink:
There was an internal memo that stipulates all 120 engines can have only 1 year of factory warranty, this to me means the 120 is not ready for daily ridersHere in Europe, we have a law that all vehicles must have at least 2 years warranty.
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I see a RG Ultra and or Limited added to the touring line up. I don't see any big changes like engines to the touring group. Rushmore brought huge changes and I believe they are done for a while.
I do believe big changes are coming to the soft tails and dynas. Been a long time since any shake up has been done for them.
I am speculating......It will be interesting to see if I am close to correct. The reason I think Harley going to make engine changes is due to the length of production for the twin cam. 1999 to 2015, that's 16 years. Harley now has competition from Indian, they have a larger standard engine than Harley, 111 vs 103, Harley must desire to close that gap. If they don't make substantial changes to the 2016 touring line, sales will start dropping. The Rushmore owners will need something substantial to consider trading.
The softail line, once Harley's top sellers are now dead. My local dealer, a large store in a large market only sold 4 Heritage softails last year, they only sold 1 Fat Boy. For the entire 2014 model year. Harley needs to do something big to fire the line up, something as dramatic as the Rushmore rollout. If Harley can add comfort to the softail line, they just might start selling better. The reason I mentioned the springer heritage, it would be a great bike to compete toe to toe with the Indian classic. Both bikes represent the same period of history. The Heritage Springers would sell well with updates, IMHO.
I could be all wet, time will tell. Harley needs to light a fire under the 2016 lineup and the new "Street" line is not the answer.
Given that I finally gave in, sack'ed up and bought a 2015 CVO, I can virtually guarantee that the 2016s will have a host of improvements, including a bigger motor, a head's up display, and the ability to hover.I think I want to go watch the Jetson's now. LOL
Given that I finally gave in, sack'ed up and bought a 2015 CVO, I can virtually guarantee that the 2016s will have a host of improvements, including a bigger motor, a head's up display, and the ability to hover.
I suspect Harley's customers are getting grayer and the tourers are more appealing to that demographic. With flat softail sales, that seems to indicate a failure to draw younger customers. Of course, this is just speculation on my part.I see tons of younger riders on baggers, mostly "murdered" SGs
Wonder what the retail price of a CVO Trike would be??? :nixweiss:
2016's will "introduced" via a purposefully vague internet video with vrooom vrooom exhaust sounds, a voice over by a seriouly strident semi constipated sounding announcer who will tout some poll tested wording that the HD marketing department yadda yadda'd over for at least a month, & the pics online will not be as good as looking at a bike in person.No Wizard of Oz paint schemes? I'm wounded.
The Unicorn/Rainbow/Flying Monkeys from the Wizard of Oz paint schemes have been placed on hold until 2017. Pool boy sourced, so it must be true.
;D
$43,499 in Vivid Black is my guess.
No Wizard of Oz paint schemes? I'm wounded.
For the touring line they need to get that infotainment system up to snuff. BT Headset protocol and a number of bug fixes.
The Dynas are great. They're old because that's the market for that kind of bike. Go fast, stay cheap (relatively speaking) and make it practical. The sportster line is in the same shape.
The Softails appeal to a market that Harley abandoned before they ever really went after it. The young rider who survived the sportbike years and now wants to look cool without hurting him or herself. No brand loyalty in that market because Harley never really pushed Buell to compete in that market. You can't save a product people don't want.
The V-Rod. They have to kill this off soon. It's the best designed HD and they've completely screwed the pooch with its placement and further designs to go with the motor. The streets aren't a bad idea, but I don't see them saving the revolution.
Sooner or alter people are going to realize that a CVO is no longer special. No longer hand made, it's just another model rollin down the assembly line. No longer higher end with the electronics. No longer a significant motor upgrade to "factory". And the paint schemes... well, how custom is one of 3500? Buy the bike and take it to a paint shop.
So will they address any of this in 2016? Will the Wizards Monkey's fly out of my... well. I'm not betting and I'm not buying. Year 8 on old Screaming Nemo. I took the new bike out of the budget after the Rushmore bikes proved to be less than advanced electronically and less than reliable although they do seem to be back to their pre Rushmore reliability...
So my CVO guess is a Softail. Move the wet head into that line to test the waters (pun intended). The others will be touring: A Road Glide. A Limited. A street glide. No engine difference. Updated Paint. Same stuff different year.
Yup, a CVO Trike is sure to arrive one of these years, might '16 be the year? With a twin cooled 120 and seven speed (8 if you count reverse) !!
I just checked out the CARB report for the 2016s, they are listing 9 Harleys with the 1962cc engine. Would these be the new CVOs?
I just checked out the CARB report for the 2016s, they are listing 9 Harleys with the 1962cc engine. Would these be the new CVOs?That's the report that shows that the 120st is approved for installation in '15 models.
I just checked out the CARB report for the 2016s, they are listing 9 Harleys with the 1962cc engine. Would these be the new CVOs?
That's the report that shows that the 120st is approved for installation in '15 models.
In the "Why a CVO" topic there are comments about multiple hard candy colors for 2016...anyone else heard that? :nixweiss:Standard bikes. Not CVO bikes.Those colors have been out for over a month now.
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The reason I think Harley going to make engine changes is due to the length of production for the twin cam. 1999 to 2015, that's 16 years. Harley now has competition from Indian, they have a larger standard engine than Harley, 111 vs 103, Harley must desire to close that gap. If they don't make substantial changes to the 2016 touring line, sales will start dropping.
Apologies if this has already been posted…..
http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/motorcycles/2016/Harley-Davidson.htm
Introducing the new 2016 Harley-Davidson Motorcycles.
Street
- 2016 Harley-Davidson Street XG750
- 2016 Harley-Davidson Street XG500
Electric
- 2016 Harley-Davidson Project Livewire Electric
Sportster
- 2016 Harley-Davidson XL883L SuperLow
- 2016 Harley-Davidson XL883N Iron 883
- 2016 Harley-Davidson XL1200C 1200 Custom
- 2016 Harley-Davidson XL1200X Forty-Eight
- 2016 Harley-Davidson XL1200V Seventy-Two
- 2016 Harley-Davidson XL1200T SuperLow
Dyna
- 2016 Harley-Davidson FXDL Low Rider
- 2016 Harley-Davidson FXDB Street Bob
- 2016 Harley-Davidson FXDF Fat Bob
- 2016 Harley-Davidson FXDWG Wide Glide
- 2016 Harley-Davidson FLD Switchback
Softail
- 2016 Harley-Davidson FXSB Breakout
- 2016 Harley-Davidson FLSTC Heritage Softail Classic
- 2016 Harley-Davidson FLSTF Fat Boy
- 2016 Harley-Davidson FLSTFB Fat Boy Lo
- 2016 Harley-Davidson FLSTN Softail Deluxe
- 2016 Harley-Davidson FLS Softail Slim
Touring
- 2016 Harley-Davidson Road Glide
- 2016 Harley-Davidson Road Glide Special
- 2016 Harley-Davidson FLHR Road King
- 2016 Harley-Davidson FLHTCU Electra Glide Ultra Classic
- 2016 Harley-Davidson FLHTCUL Electra Glide Ultra Classic Low
- 2016 Harley-Davidson FLHTK Electra Glide Ultra Limited
- 2016 Harley-Davidson FLHTKL Electra Glide Ultra Limited Low
- 2016 Harley-Davidson FLHX Street Glide
- 2016 Harley-Davidson FLHXS Street Glide Special
V-Rod (VRSC)
- 2016 Harley-Davidson VRSCDX Night Rod Special
- 2016 Harley-Davidson VRSCF V-Rod Muscle
Tri Glide (Motorcycle Trike)
- 2016 Harley-Davidson FLHTCUTG Tri Glide Ultra Classic
- 2016 Harley-Davidson FLRT Freewheeler
CVO (Custom Vehicle Operations)
- 2016 Harley-Davidson FLHXSE CVO Street Glide
- 2016 Harley-Davidson FLTRUSE CVO Road Glide Ultra
- 2016 Harley-Davidson FLSTNSE CVO Softail Deluxe
- 2016 Harley-Davidson FLHTKSE CVO Limited
If Harley introduce a 120 engine be prepared to add another $6-$8K on retail.
In the current economic climate that would kill their sales. I can't see it happening.
I can't see this being 100% true only because there is no way they would do another Deluxe CVO.....there are still a ton of new 2014s on dealer floors.
Nope, its not much more money at all to build a 120 vice a 110. Maybe a 500 hike
I stopped worrying about new models after I purchased and dealt with the problems on my 07 seultra. Never ever buy another new onegood choice! let someone else be the guinea pig. :dier_13: :dier_13:
:'(
My local dealer reckons that "The word on the street" is that Harley have submitted an emissions test report on the 120s engines on all the touring models,
Now if true this doesn't mean it will be coming next year!,the Rushmore took 4 years to finally get to market, with I am sure many test reports along the way, so the 120s will be coming no doubt with stock bikes having 110 engines as standard but my money is on this happening around 2017/18 model year launch........just saying,that's all!. :)
The HUD will only work with Harley branded windshields specifically designed to work with the system, will be patented to prevent competition from the aftermarket, and will only cost $699 each.
Little wind driven counter rotating propellers will self-deploy below the radiators on water cooled bikes to drive new mechanical generators at speeds above 50 mph to lower the parasitic drag on the engine from the stator and rotor.Unfortunately, just like the thousands of wind-driven turbines mounted on every hill in West Coast states, these will overspeed at 60 mph and either shut off or tear apart the generators. MoCo's response will be "They all do that." :o
The infotainment system will be upgraded to a heads up display. Unfortunately it will still be buggy and require constant updates. Harley will adopt the Microsoft model and release new updates on the third Tuesday of every month. The HUD will only work with Harley branded windshields specifically designed to work with the system, will be patented to prevent competition from the aftermarket, and will only cost $699 each.
Jerry ;)
Well with all of this speculation going on here. I just think I will wait for the Pool Boy to show up and give us the real scoop!!!!
Be Safe
THE DAWG
Unfortunately the sail will leak, bend under torque load and not support bluesail technology. But I'm sure it will be correctly branded with a bar and shield in black and orange.
So says the pool boy. So follow the sheep.
Will the sail, wind turbines, & HUD retrofit to bikes built before 2016? Where I live, if properly sharpened, those propellers could be used to slice a road kill lunch. Would rather have the chrome upgrade, will settle for stainless, heard the OEM propellers are plastic made from recycled Barbie dolls & failure rate was the usual +/- 34%, within spec.
If you attempt to use the sail as a bike cover, you will void your warranty.
In Beta the turbine equipped bikes were only allowed to carry full sized Barbie dolls as prototype BSRs due to failures of the prop shafts allowing the blades to fly back, get caught in the bike's wind vortex and perform female circumcision on the BSR.
Production bikes will include a warning label.
Race only chrome SE accessory models will not require the label.
New orange & black for 2016
but there are guys out there that will buy them.
Yep. There sure are. About 40% less of them than 10 years ago.
And continuing to drop.
And I'm one of them!]
Yep. There sure are. About 40% less of them than 10 years ago.I have an '11 SERGU. Rode the '15 SERGU. Felt just like my '11. Not spending $41K+++ to start all over with mods necessary to make it acceptable, and fixes needed to make it half-reliable (inner cam bearings, lifters, primary chain tensioner, compensator, etc.).
And continuing to drop.
I just checked out the CARB report for the 2016s, they are listing 9 Harleys with the 1962cc engine. Would these be the new CVOs?
Just talked to the Harley people in Strugis and they say the 2016 cvos will be unvailed on 8/24 at the Las Vegas Dealer meeting like other years. Boy are they missing it. Indian will have all their 2016's at Sturgis like always and I bet their tent will be filled with people.
Last year they rolled out the Road Glide custom and classic at Sturgis. They had one or two other same as it always was models there too. Meh.Road Glide Classic??
The majority on here might hate them, but last year I sure felt the love at the Indian tent. From Indian towards us and from the crowd towards them. Take the biggest event of the year in motorcycling and show everything to everyone.
Harley does the dealer only unveil and then you have to wait and hope your dealer gets the model and color you've seen online so you can tell what the level of suck is going to be in the picture comparisons. By the time they roll around in Milwaukee or York Open house riding season is coming to an end. Meh.
Sorry. Stuck in the pre Rushed More names. Standard, and Special. At least I didn't call it a Tour Glide! :DHa Ha! Tour Glide. I've seen pictures of those.
I just saw the CARB reports and there will be a 2016 Road Glide Ultra with a TwinCooled 103.Bastards!!!!!! They're only supposed to make that bike every four years so I don't feel like getting a new one again!! Not to mention keeping the value on the current ones up a little. :sauer005:
According to the posts, all 3 touring CVOs will return for 2016; CVO Road Glide Ultra, CVO Ultra Limited, and CVO Street Glide, and still with the Twin Cooled 110".
I didn't see many changes of note in the sheets posted. They're Not going to the 110"/120" in any models posted. They may add it to select models not yet posted, but it wouldn't be widespread and I'm not very optimistic.
They have posted the Sportster, Street, and now Touring. I haven't seen the Softails or Dynas yet.
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Been in 4 of the local dealers in the last month, VERY few 2015 bikes in stock......except in the showroom where there were no prices displayed. They had a fair number of new ones in stock.:nixweiss:
Never did like a dealer who does that....seems like every one that does that has some crazy dealer mark-up that's way over MSRP :nixweiss:
Here is the link to the carb report. Being an owner of a 2015 SESG, I'm somewhat relieved.
http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/hmc/2016/2016.php
I just saw the CARB reports and there will be a 2016 Road Glide Ultra with a TwinCooled 103.
According to the posts, all 3 touring CVOs will return for 2016; CVO Road Glide Ultra, CVO Ultra Limited, and CVO Street Glide, and still with the Twin Cooled 110".
I didn't see many changes of note in the sheets posted. They're Not going to the 110"/120" in any models posted. They may add it to select models not yet posted, but it wouldn't be widespread and I'm not very optimistic.
They have posted the Sportster, Street, and now Touring. I haven't seen the Softails or Dynas yet.
Bastards!!!!!! They're only supposed to make that bike every four years so I don't feel like getting a new one again!! Not to mention keeping the value on the current ones up a little. :sauer005:
$43,499 in Vivid Black is my guess.I would put it more toward the $50,000 mark based on what I have in my 2008 CVO conversion based on 2008 prices. My CVO Ultra was 34,000 back then plus I added the trike kit and gold leaf paint at 16,000. Being how trikes have become an extremely strong seller, Harley is going to charge big time for a CVO trike.
Agreed
I am speculating......It will be interesting to see if I am close to correct. The reason I think Harley going to make engine changes is due to the length of production for the twin cam. 1999 to 2015, that's 16 years. Harley now has competition from Indian, they have a larger standard engine than Harley, 111 vs 103, Harley must desire to close that gap. If they don't make substantial changes to the 2016 touring line, sales will start dropping. The Rushmore owners will need something substantial to consider trading.
The softail line, once Harley's top sellers are now dead. My local dealer, a large store in a large market only sold 4 Heritage softails last year, they only sold 1 Fat Boy. For the entire 2014 model year. Harley needs to do something big to fire the line up, something as dramatic as the Rushmore rollout. If Harley can add comfort to the softail line, they just might start selling better. The reason I mentioned the springer heritage, it would be a great bike to compete toe to toe with the Indian classic. Both bikes represent the same period of history. The Heritage Springers would sell well with updates, IMHO.
I could be all wet, time will tell. Harley needs to light a fire under the 2016 lineup and the new "Street" line is not the answer.
Maybe this belongs in the why Harley is sinking threads, but in response to the last post - remember when HD was failing the last time? They came out with a new reliable Evolution engine. It was the exact same size as the Shovel it replaced. The company was reborn. There were other revolutionary changes as well. QC went up. Way up. Design innovations. The expansion of the P&A options.
Paint it black and prove that their ... engines... are bigger then the other guys probably isn't going to work any better this year than it did with the 103. That didn't stop the market share slide either.
I haven't heard a single rumor that I think will change who buys Harley products, or how many buys them.
I don't think many will go to Indian or Victory. Some, as some have been doing every year. I think it will be people like you and me who just wont buy for another year. I'm still riding an '08. I bought a new car and a new truck the last two years instead of a new bike. This year I'll pay the camper off early instead of a new bike. Next summer.... we'll see. If the new RG Ultra appeals and I hear how they've fixed the Boom Audio stuff and the engine don't leak and the ECMs still talk to the bikes and it comes in a color I like... maybe. But I'm not feeling compelled.
I hear a lot of that. Not a big run to the Pokeherinthehiney's bike... Not a lot of Area 51 space ship running. Not a lot of Crouching Yamaha Hidden Honda defections. Just not gonna buy a new Harley. You got a base. You gotta motivate them to get out and spend.
As too a 120... I ain't run outta wrist yet on my 110. And for those that have, the 120 is no different then the 110. Just a blank canvas for them to throw lots of lumpy things to go from real fast to freakin fast.
Not expecting a lot of excitement from the 16s - new colors! meh Maybe am wrong & the new googaws & electrical magical switches will be the crest of the wave of innovation. :PHaven't we discussed your retirement drinking somewhere else? We really must monitor you if you're going to go on thinking this way! :D :D :D
Haven't we discussed your retirement drinking somewhere else? We really must monitor you if you're going to go on thinking this way! :D :D :D
The problem is I'm not sure I trust that the MoCo will have a bike I want every two. So I continue to wait.
Which as I was thinking about this last night made me realize how to sum up what I think the feeling I have from and about the MoCo: They leave me uninspired.
The Elmer Fudd niche alone should be worth 35,000 bike sales. Add in those magic switches that activate electrical amazements, maybe 45,000.
Harley vs Indian is not like Ford trucks vs Chevy trucks. HD is Goliath, Indian is David, with brown saddlebags. Indian is positioned so low in overall sales they will have to double & redouble several times to command significant market share. If they do this the majority of that share comes from Harley.
If they came out with a Marvin the Martian edition which had a button that played the "You're making me very angry" line that I could play when taking the bike in for the 3rd repair on the same item for the 7th time, well yeah. Then I'd buy it. :DActually,,,, you can upload a ringtone right to the bike and hit the play button by going through the menu. My Looney Tunes ring tone always gets a good laugh when I do that.....
If there was an Elmer Fudd themed bike there would HAVE to be a mystery button that when pushed played Elmer Fudd doing Springsteen!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cd3KB5Z39vo
I doubt Indian will truly rival HD but if they and Victory get a good foot hold on the market it will affect HD. The Goliath always hates to loose more than the David. I heard Harley lost 4% and the Victory/Indian dealer says if they gain 1% they are thrilled. Watch out Harley may get a "toyota" pulled on them.
As I recall Goliath got so smug he pushed his helmet up because David could never really threaten him. Is Harley smug??
Smug or so top heavy they react almost like a dinosaur did to the asteroid. Not that severe but with a wider I dealer network & a weaker Honda US presence, Indian has plenty of room to grow.Add in a radio that supports apps and is integrated with the phone for those apps like Pandora, I heart etc and add CB and Bluetooth headset and com protocol along with intercom capabilities. Make it reliable and you would not need to drop prices to sell it. But if you did, and then make the different packages as available accessories from the factory instead of toss the factory and add mentality you'd revolutionize how you go about buying a motorcycle.
Indian desperately needs to rethink its niche style design. If I were Indian, would continue with a "vintage" line like HDs Heritage, etc. But on the touring line I would be trying to happily marry the handling & speed of a BMW-type scoot with the riding comfort of an HD tourer. Find a happy medium, performance plus handling related that would appeal more to a younger buyer. HD should be doing that themselves. Now the fairing Indians look like......they ALMOST got the style, but slapped a big chrome honker on the fairing. As Indian restyles & expands lineup, it gets tougher for Harley. Am often wrong & probably am here but eventually with competition pressure (5-10 more years), prices will drop as a method to maintain what is viewed as neeed market share.
Add in a radio that supports apps and is integrated with the phone for those apps like Pandora, I heart etc and add CB and Bluetooth headset and com protocol along with intercom capabilities. Make it reliable and you would not need to drop prices to sell it. But if you did, and then make the different packages as available accessories from the factory instead of toss the factory and add mentality you'd revolutionize how you go about buying a motorcycle.
However...
This is 2016 changes... so... the above is a list of what you will not be seeing in 2016. We can edit and repost next year with a new date.
We could call it the Dream the Impossible Dream thread, updated yearly All good ideas. Some are out there already, at least in part. The real estate space available on the all those inner fairings, and the lack of using it to a better advantage remains a Mystery of Life. Indian can probably exist profitably within the HD pricing windows. What interests me is: if Indian sales erode HD sales, how far into that erosion will HD react & how.
Anyway, HD should hire more statuesque models to strut about in a friendly fashion at rallys & shows.
Any guess as to the "hot topic" on 2016 lineup?
Probably they would start cheapening their product and ship part production overseas as to maintain their profit margin so the shareholders would be happy and to maintain their stock price so management would be a able to cash in their options for a big payday. :o :freak:
Crazy as that sounds I can see it happening. :rolleyes4:
:oops: :nixweiss:
Indian desperately needs to rethink its niche style design. If I were Indian, would continue with a "vintage" line like HDs Heritage, etc. But on the touring line I would be trying to happily marry the handling & speed of a BMW-type scoot with the riding comfort of an HD tourer. Find a happy medium, performance plus handling related that would appeal more to a younger buyer.
Add in a radio that supports apps and is integrated with the phone for those apps like Pandora, I heart etc and add CB and Bluetooth headset and com protocol along with intercom capabilities. Make it reliable and you would not need to drop prices to sell it. But if you did, and then make the different packages as available accessories from the factory instead of toss the factory and add mentality you'd revolutionize how you go about buying a motorcycle.
However...
This is 2016 changes... so... the above is a list of what you will not be seeing in 2016. We can edit and repost next year with a new date.
For the life of me, I will never understand why automotive and motorcycle head units are so friggin' expensive, buggy, and generally underwhelming. Ditto the old-style DVD-based nav systems. My iPhone is MUCH more useful as a nav device.Garmin GPS=$400. In dash GPS=$3000 in most cars.
I just finished installing an all-new audio system in our boat, the Nau(gh)tiBadger. I bought a nice little Kenwood Marine KMR-D562BT head unit for it, new at BestBuy for like $145. It has Pandora, IHeartRadio, Bluetooth so I can play Pandora or whatever right from my iPhone, programmable all to hell, RCA 4-channel and RCA sub outputs, a nice little USB connector on the front that has a little door that closes over it, removable faceplate, fully coated circuit board, small onboard amp that I don't even use, etc. It connected up with all of five wires: unswitched power (so settings persist), switched power, ground, remote amp turn-on, and ONE wire to connect up the marine remote on the transom. That's it!
No, it doesn't have steering wheel controls, handlebar controls, etc... But good Lord, it sure seems like the auto companies and Harley charge through the NOSE for their questionable-quality and severely-underfeatured "Infotainment" systems! They seem pointlessly complex and outrageously expensive to me.
Ken
For the life of me, I will never understand why automotive and motorcycle head units are so friggin' expensive, buggy, and generally underwhelming. Ditto the old-style DVD-based nav systems. My iPhone is MUCH more useful as a nav device.My problem is those other replacement head units or a plug in amp that connects to my iPhone don't offer the helmet to helmet coms or the bike to bike CB. We do use both those features. A lot. Otherwise I might just make a custom dash for an iPad mini and have a go at it. I could even make the handlebar controls work, at least for volume by using a cheap head unit that supports steering wheel control interface (There's a protocol for it, like Bluetooth).
I just finished installing an all-new audio system in our boat, the Nau(gh)tiBadger. I bought a nice little Kenwood Marine KMR-D562BT head unit for it, new at BestBuy for like $145. It has Pandora, IHeartRadio, Bluetooth so I can play Pandora or whatever right from my iPhone, programmable all to hell, RCA 4-channel and RCA sub outputs, a nice little USB connector on the front that has a little door that closes over it, removable faceplate, fully coated circuit board, small onboard amp that I don't even use, etc. It connected up with all of five wires: unswitched power (so settings persist), switched power, ground, remote amp turn-on, and ONE wire to connect up the marine remote on the transom. That's it!
No, it doesn't have steering wheel controls, handlebar controls, etc... But good Lord, it sure seems like the auto companies and Harley charge through the NOSE for their questionable-quality and severely-underfeatured "Infotainment" systems! They seem pointlessly complex and outrageously expensive to me.
Ken
nothing but another price increase you mean :o
Maybe they will increase the quality of their bikes... :lolk:
:oops: :nixweiss:
For the life of me, I will never understand why automotive and motorcycle head units are so friggin' expensive, buggy, and generally underwhelming. .....................................................................
Ken
It's the same reason why Apple can charge $800 for a phone they have made in China for about $50 max. People will pay it. And until people stop paying ten times what the infotainment systems are worth, the car and bike folks will keep right on sticking it to them. It's called pricing to whatever level the rubes will put up with. Their cost to actually produce or procure the system and install it has nothing to do with it. The profit margin on the accessories is much higher than the profit margin on the basic car or bike.
IMHO, built in NAV systems are something to be avoided, not embraced. I can buy a good portable Garmin for less than $200, and if it fails I'm out $200. Wait until that built in NAV in your car or bike fails and see what it will cost you to replace it. And many do in fact fail over time.
Jerry
Tell you what, as far as I am concerned HD could ELIMINATE the whole bloody audio system and put the R&D into the drive train. I find the audio system on my 2015 CVO as an irritant more than anything else....that's one of the reasons I have put 6K on my BMW GSA and 1600 miles on the CVO this summer. Oh by the way my Hard Candy CVO is still for sale. Flame away...
Tell you what, as far as I am concerned HD could ELIMINATE the whole bloody audio system and put the R&D into the drive train. I find the audio system on my 2015 CVO as an irritant more than anything else....that's one of the reasons I have put 6K on my BMW GSA and 1600 miles on the CVO this summer. Oh by the way my Hard Candy CVO is still for sale. Flame away...
Tell you what, as far as I am concerned HD could ELIMINATE the whole bloody audio system and put the R&D into the drive train. I find the audio system on my 2015 CVO as an irritant more than anything else....that's one of the reasons I have put 6K on my BMW GSA and 1600 miles on the CVO this summer. Oh by the way my Hard Candy CVO is still for sale. Flame away...
But until then... couldn't HD at least have figured out a Pandora tie in. I mean even my Nissan can figure that out.
well, i don't know if this is what you meant, but with my iphone, the hd ipod controller, and a 30 pin to 9 pin adapter i can play pandora through my headunit. no, i couldn't do the thumbs up/thumbs down thing, but until one of these recent ios updates, i could skip songs with my handlebar switches......My Nissan lets you pick from different Pandora "radio stations" as well as the thumbs up/down deal. It also lets you see the artist info. I frequently play Pandora on my '08 just using the headset cord. Since HD can't figure out how to make a working XM antenna... (Windshield trim, tour pack rack, molded into outer fairing - someone get that company a clue catcher) and since I hate the Sirius/XM company with a passion, I use Pandora. Same music, no HOWARD STERN!!! and the money saved pays for a larger data package so I'm always good on my phone.
I've been across country on a bike with and without a sound system. I prefer the sound system for those 500-600 mile days. While it is more complicated than the old system, the new system sounds better so I'm glad they spent R&D funds on it. Plus, I run out of songs to sing to myself without it.... ;DI walked into a BMW store a couple years ago, while standing there looking at one a salesman asked if he could help me I asked what is the seat height? He said 31" I said that leaves me out and turned and walked away. :huepfenlol2:
As for the GSA, glad you enjoy it. BMW's are not for us short in stature. I refuse to ride a bike I can't flat foot both feet at a stop but BMW does make a good product.
I am done with CVO's, sold the SERG and bought a new SGS and will do my own thing.
My cheap Garmin clone has excel, power point, ebook reader,....
I walked into a BMW store a couple years ago, while standing there looking at one a salesman asked if he could help me I asked what is the seat height? He said 31" I said that leaves me out and turned and walked away. :huepfenlol2:Terry, we got Melanie a factory low BMW R1200RT that she can flat foot with the right boots. Not as low as an HD, but about 300lbs lighter. Has a stereo and came with a freeBMW Garmin too
cause you'll never know when you need to work on a spreadsheet while rolling down the highway :2vrolijk_21:
kidding. how about a link to where you buy them from?
Looks like we are going to have a CVO Fat Boy and a CVO softail slim!!! Springers? Hmmmmm?
Yea, the "S" has me thinking, I'm at a loss.
"S" = Special?!?
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YB
At the other end of the price scale from the CVO's: no more Street Bob.
The Street Bob was listed with the Softails, not the Dynas. It's still there.Oh, I missed that. Cool. My wife has the Street Bob and I love that bike long time. It's a very comfortable ride, out handles the softies and out muscles the sporties (sporties are quicker but you have to work them a lot more).
The Street Bob was listed with the Softails, not the Dynas. It's still there.I missed it, too. Thanks Lew. Anyone want to guess as to what Street Bob NGP is.
Oh, I missed that. Cool. My wife has the Street Bob and I love that bike long time. It's a very comfortable ride, out handles the softies and out muscles the sporties (sporties are quicker but you have to work them a lot more).I was looking at the Fat Bob in Myst. Red, then I saw that my dealer, and I suppose the MoCo, think that is a $17,000 bike.
It'll be a tough call for me when I can't hold up a dresser anymore to decide on trike or a nice ole street bob with some bags to prove I'm still old at heart! :)
This is in Italian but I think you can understand.Thanks for sharing. All I see is more of the same. Nothing to get me excited. Might as well be 2015 again.https://youtu.be/-52aSQQnxCQ
So where are the rear turn signals now? I'm guessing that they must be in the tour pak light bar? That won't do for all the places that require amber turn signals, so I guess the HDI models will still have the old turn signal bar.... Don't some states in the US require amber turn signals too?
So where are the rear turn signals now? I'm guessing that they must be in the tour pak light bar? That won't do for all the places that require amber turn signals, so I guess the HDI models will still have the old turn signal bar.... Don't some states in the US require amber turn signals too?I think some states have a law that says amber or yellow turn signals on the rear can only be turn signals, so if you have the run, stop, tail light style where the turn signals also act as brake and tail lights, they have to be red.
So where are the rear turn signals now? I'm guessing that they must be in the tour pak light bar? That won't do for all the places that require amber turn signals, so I guess the HDI models will still have the old turn signal bar.... Don't some states in the US require amber turn signals too?
They are in between the bags and the fender, just like on the earlier RG's. Not sure what other models have it but my '13 RG is like that. Only the new ones are red and look more 3 dimensional.Not on the 2016 CVO Road Glide Ultra, there is only the center tail light. The 2015 CVO Road Glide Ultra also has a bullet turn signal on each side of the center tail light.
I like the white IF:That color is called White Amethyst. Can anyone confirm/deny there is some purple (amethyst) in the white--maybe some purple metalflake? If so, the purple pinstripe makes sense.
The pinstripe around the flames wasn't purple....silver or red would have been nice!
I like the white IF:
The pinstripe around the flames wasn't purple....silver or red would have been nice!
The drivetrain was NOT blacked out. The red one should have the blacked out stuff while white should be all chrome!