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[ultrarider123]

That made me go back and look it up.  First year of the Tour Glide was model year 1979.  It's weird the stuff you momentarily find yourself suddenly curious about..

The year I graduated High School...many, many moons ago...

[SHRADER]

Yes technically they were introduced in 1979 but were 1980 models, just like buying a 2020 model right now.

[Twolanerider]

The year I graduated High School...many, many moons ago...

Me too!  Remember seeing my first Tour Glide around that time.  Compared to the beat up, often welded together, sometimes multi-manufacturer-combination (thank god for welders), that bike was an alien looking beast.  It took me quite awhile to become a fan.

[fastfreddy]

Matt nailed it !!      those are his feelings and he is entitled to them, and I happen to agree with him

[FLSTFI Dave]

I agree with some of what Matt is saying, there is lots of styling copying on some bikes.

I Know Indian did not copy the power windshield on any of their models from Harley, as Harley does not offer that.

Indian did not copy ride modes from Harley, as you do not have that on a Harley.

Indian did not copy the water cooled 108 from Harley, as Harley does not have that.

The Indian FTR 1200 sure didn't copy Harley, heck Harley does not even have a similar bike, especially not in terms of Suspension adjustment and travel, or performance.  It even has ride modes, Full LED lighting, and touch screen and much more.  What does Harley have that can even compete at 16K plus or minus 2K?

[PBSTN]

Ya. There was cars. And then ford made the model t. I guess all after we're just copies. Heh?

[mark]

Matt, here's a little tip from a customer...when I go to a dealership and talk to sales staff, I want them to sell me on THEIR product.  If the only way you can promote your bike is by running down another brand, that tells me a lot about you and the product you're selling.  Everytime I've encountered this at a dealership, I've walked out.  This video shows just how pathetic and small you are.  I'm really disappointed in you as a businessman and motorcyclist.   

[charles05663]

This really shows me how scared HD is of Indian. 

[RoadTrip]

I agree with some of what Matt is saying, there is lots of styling copying on some bikes.

I Know Indian did not copy the power windshield on any of their models from Harley, as Harley does not offer that.

Indian did not copy ride modes from Harley, as you do not have that on a Harley.

Indian did not copy the water cooled 108 from Harley, as Harley does not have that.

The Indian FTR 1200 sure didn't copy Harley, heck Harley does not even have a similar bike, especially not in terms of Suspension adjustment and travel, or performance.  It even has ride modes, Full LED lighting, and touch screen and much more.  What does Harley have that can even compete at 16K plus or minus 2K?

Let me think, of I had to choose between a Livewire or a FTR 1200, it wouldn’t take me long to start buying Indian logo t-shirts.

[scotman623]

I have a 19 CVO RG I just bought in July, Love the bike.. I am also very interested in test riding the new Challenger when it arrives... It’s called Competition and in the end that’s what is best for us!! The buyers... Prediction.. Next year H-D has the automatic windscreen on their touring bikes from the factory... We win... Its a copycat world!!! Get used to it Matty boy..

[BigLock]

I guess  MOCo come up with the dark side it self. Or did they copy it from customers that was blacking them out first. Matt may need to just ask MOCo to stop taking away things on bikes. I guess if Indian puts lowers on bikes now will it be copying sense SG CVO'S don't have them anymore. Just asking

[BigLock]

Guess old Matt trying to make a sell for the MOCo . Bike sells has to be down last week when I was at biketoberfest in Fla. I rode all over come across a dealer that had all 19 touring bike $2000 off or store goods put free oil change for life and free tires for life.

[Robmay]

Guess old Matt trying to make a sell for the MOCo . Bike sells has to be down last week when I was at biketoberfest in Fla. I rode all over come across a dealer that had all 19 touring bike $2000 off or store goods put free oil change for life and free tires for life.

Where was that dealer Biglock?

Rob

[TN]

Indians numbers sold are low compared to HD, they have shown when presented with a design flaw that real world riding makes evident the problem is addressed across the board, example the 116 connecting rods and pistons, they're looking at the big picture and trying to establish some higher market share numbers.

With HD it would cost too much and they have decided to deal with certain failures on a one by one situation and void warranties when they can even if the tuner doesn't cause sumping and of course it's all the EPA's fault.  Some garage queens will get sold a few years down the road to an unexpecting rider and he will be on his own. Even HD's product upgrade campaigns have a expiration date.

The water cooled engine is the future and I look forward to trying one out. I'm sure HD will have one in their touring line sooner than later.

Just Ride

[RivRaptor]

I agree with Matt, Indian is a tribute company with no ties to the old company that held that name and shouldn't advertise 1901 IMO.  But Mat should / is worried about Indian, because they are hungry for market share & HD is asleep at the wheel.  Competition is a good thing, let's hope HD wakes up.