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Custom Vehicle Discussions => CVO™ Street Glide® => Topic started by: DOC.COFFIN on August 17, 2010, 12:41:11 PM
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I am in need of a CB added to my 2011 FLHXSE2 CVO...Has anyone added this module to the Advance Audio System? I'm looking for input on several points...HD equipment or aftermarket? List of ACTUAL necessary parts? Is it easy enough to DO IT YOURSELF or should I have it professionally installed? Thanks!
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[NOTE: Since this thread was started, TIF2 has done a lot of work on the unique and problematic audio wiring of the SESG2 to provide solutions. See his replies #38, 39, and 40 below. The omission of the 6B connector from the SESG2 audio/interconnect harness is addressed relatively early in this thread. However, two of the wires used in the omitted 6B connector which are customarily found in connector 27B (the 23 wire connector on the back of the HK radio) and would be supplied to the 6B connector added to the SESG2 interconnect/audio harness, are omitted from the SESG2's 27B connector. The omissions are addressed in TIF2's comprehensive replies to provide functioning CB/Intercom on the SESG2.]
A good primer on installing CB on a non-CB equipped bike is HD's Boom Audio Music and Intercom kit, p/n 77108-09. The installation instructions and p/n's are on HD's website; here's the link:
http://www.harley-davidson.com/gma/gma_product.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524448774053&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302290635&ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=2534374302290635&bmUID=1282063873312&bmLocale=en_US
The kit includes passenger headset connector and PTT/vol. switch which may or may not be relevant to you depending on whether you carry a passenger or not. In any case, the primary, relevant parts are: CB module; non-Ultra Overlay harness (to connect the rider headset, CB module, etc.); rider headset connector and harness; left-hand switches/harness to include PTT/Squelch switch; passenger headset connector and harness; passenger PTT/vol. switch and harness; and, CB antenna.
A primary benefit of the BAMI kit is that it provides for the rider headset connector without replacing the tank console; mounting it on double-side tape forward of the seat on the gas tank; also, no tour pak is needed for the passenger headset connector or passenger PTT/vol. switch.
I installed the kit on my '04 (which included changes not relevant to installtion on newer models) with the Harman Kardon head unit and wrote-up the installation with pictures:
http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=42830.0
Not exactily your application, but should provide some useful information. HD's fitment information doesn't provide and special information for installation on your bike, but you should probably confirm whatever you want to do with a knowledgeable person at HD before buying parts.
Carl
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Thanks Carl! I appreciate the help!
Doc
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All good points as I need comms, but haven't figured out an antenna solution for my '10 SESG... HD hasn't come out with a mount yet unless you go with a Tour Pak mount... curious to see what others may have done or thoughts on this..
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I'm using J&M's in-fairing CB antenna as mentioned in the link I posted on my BAMI kit installation above:
http://www.jmcorp.com/ProductDetail.asp?ProductID=FPA-HCCB&PF=43
My experience has been that it's at least adequate for group riding and the only problem I've encounterd is the plastic clips included with the kit to route the antenna wire are attached to the inner fairing with double-sided tape which doesn't hold particularly well. I'll probably remove the outer fairing this week-end and use 3M Automotive Emblem adhesive on the clips and ditch the double-sided tape.
Glad to help.
Carl
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Thanks for the input. I am looking to install the CB on my FLHXSE2. There was an earlier thread talking about this and I just found the J & M fairing mounted antennea.
Is there a cheaper boom audio kit that doesnt have the passenger connections?
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I just ordered all the parts. Will let you know in about 3 weeks when they all come in to see how it works out. :2vrolijk_21:
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NativTexan ~ Did you order Harleypingman's list or did you find other solutions? What was your out-the-door price (parts and labor)? Or did you decide to DIY?
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Yes, I used his list. A freind of mine has the CB module which will save me $299.00 - 20% from Chicago Harley. My mechanic said he could install in about 2-3 hours.
The other parts are
CB Module would have been $240.00
1 x 70169-06 (70169-06) = $103.96 Harness
1 x 77107-09 (77107-09) = $319.96 BAMI Kit
The J & M internal mounted antenea is $69.00 plus shipping
It looks like the BAMI kit comes with the rider push to talk controls but I am sure I will need another Chrome Housing.. I don't know what that part # is yet.
I already have two headsets that I purchased for my 07 Ultra.
Info from his other post.
The BAMI kit does not provide passenger control of the audio mode that is found on Ultra models.
The primary components in the kit are: (1) three harnesses for the rider headset connector, passenger headset connector, and passenger PTT/vol.; (2) assembled left handlebar switches/black switch housings/harness; and, (3) fairing cap "Speaker" switch.
Additional parts needed for installation/operation are: (1) non-Ultra overlay harness, p/n 70169-06; (2) CB module 76416-06C; an antenna (I used the new J&M in-fairing CB antenna); and, headset/mic (I used J&M Elite series headset and Z lower cord).
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Yes, I used his list. A freind of mine has the CB module which will save me $299.00 - 20% from Chicago Harley.
The other parts are
1 x 77107-09 (77107-09) = $319.96 BAMI Kit
NativTexan, the BAMI kit I used was 77108-09 (now -09A); NOT 77107-09.
I don't know whether the 77107-09 kit will work with the CB module or not. Did the dealership tell you to use that BAMI kit instead of the 77108-09A? HD's fitment information is confusing regarding which BAMI kit to use, but I used the 77108-09 kit.
The lower left chrome switch housing is p/n 70163-96A.
Carl
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NativTexan, I sent you an email regarding the different p/n's: you posted that you ordered BAMI kit 77107-09, and in my thread I posted that I used BAMI kit 77108-09 (now listed as 77108-09A). The difference between the two kits appears to be (since I've never physically examined the 77107-09 kit and am relying on the installation instructions for that kit) that the kit you ordered uses a harness that incorporates the rider PTT and headset connections, and the passenger PTT and headset connections into a single, integrated harness with no provision for adding the CB module connection. The BAMI kit I used doesn't use a single, integrated harness. Instead, it uses the non-Ultra overlay harness, p/n 70169-06 (which you ordered) that plugs into the back of the HK head unit (as does the integrated harness in the kit you ordered), but has connections available into which are connected the rider PTT and headset connection, etc. supplied in the BAMI kit I used.
Said another way, while the rider PTT and headset connections, etc. in the BAMI kit I used are separate pieces that connect to the non-Ultra overlay harness, the BAMI kit you apparently ordered uses a single, integrated harness with those rider PTT and headset connections, etc. as part of that harness (i.e. those components are part of the harness, not plugged into it) with no provision for adding the CB module connection.
Again, I've never seen the harness used in the kit you ordered, but based on the installation instructions for that kit, the rider PTT and headset connection and passenger PTT and headset connection may not be separate harnesses that can be plugged into the non-Ultra overlay harness you ordered since they are already integrated into the harness that plugs into the HK head unit.
I hope your reference to the 77107-09 kit was a typo; otherwise, you may have issues trying to accomplish what you want.
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Actually it wasnt a typeo so I am working on updating that order. I received your email and I appreciate the response.
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You're welcome.
When you install the J&M CB in-fairing antenna, a suggestion: remove the double-sided tape from the small plastic clips that secure the antenna (small dia. covered wire) to the inner fairing, and use 3M VHB double-sided tape or equivalent. The double-sided tape J&M uses on the clips doesn't seem to stick very well inside my fairing; perhaps due to the 90* days here in the South. When the tape fails, the antenna wire tends to simply fall away from its intended location decreasing its effectiveness.
Carl
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Thanks for that update as well. How well does the antenea work inside the fairing say compared to an Ultra clasic with a short J&M extrernal antenea? With my 07 Ultra it worked fairly well to a distance of about 1 mile. Seemed like it would have been much better.. I have heard that if the other CB is in front it works better than the bikes behinnd you.
Obviuosly here in Texas we get more than the 90 degree temperatures. Wait, its only going to be 96 today! Here comes fall...
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NT, never had CB before this installation. My iniitial experience during cool weather riding (when the clips were newly installed) was the CB worked the same regardless of where the receiving CB was located--I never tested max range, but it was good for at least 1/2 mile which was fine for my group riding. In the hot weather, when the clips separated from the inner fairing, it seemed to broadcast better rearward than forward. I've since used the VHB double-sided tape and don't notice a difference. If you have buddies having issues, perhaps they should check the clips.
I have a buddy with an SWR meter and will use it to tune measure the SWR of the J&M. I also installed the HD CB cable and have the CB antenna from the '08 Ultra tour pak I purchased as part of my bike repaint project and plan to hook-up the antenna to compare how the in-fairing antenna compares with an essentially OEM Ultra (at least the '08 version with the loading coil in the tour pak) antenna.
Good luck with your installation.
Carl
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I know that everyone is losing a lot of power due to the length/size of the wire going to the back of the bike. I am hoping with the shorter wire directly from the CB to the antenea will have less loss but with it being smaller and inside the fairing, that will probably equalize.
I have a SWR meter and might try to see what I get during the install. I will keep you up to date once installed. I got the J&M antenea yesterday but am awaiting special parts ordered from Chicago before I begin.
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According to H-D the installation of either the CB or the XM is not a "tested application." My mechanic spent a whole day working on installing both on my 2011 CVO Street Glide. The problem is the room taken up by the amp and iPod modules. He has the CB in, but is having to rewire the connectors and hasn't got the thing working right yet. The XM antenna fits, but there's no room for the module
I will try to get some pictures of how he is making the stuff fit to help anyone who wants to install this stuff, but so far the official word is they are "working on it."
As an aside, the bike is also not prewired for passing lamps. They have to splice together a harness for that too.
Don
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As a further update after 2 days of work by an HD trained tech the CB is hooked up, but the radio does not recognize it. They believe it is a software issue.
I think its safe to say at this point even though they will probably get it eventually, this is not a "do it yourself" project.
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According to H-D the installation of either the CB or the XM is not a "tested application." My mechanic spent a whole day working on installing both on my 2011 CVO Street Glide. The problem is the room taken up by the amp and iPod modules. He has the CB in, but is having to rewire the connectors and hasn't got the thing working right yet. The XM antenna fits, but there's no room for the module
I will try to get some pictures of how he is making the stuff fit to help anyone who wants to install this stuff, but so far the official word is they are "working on it."
As an aside, the bike is also not prewired for passing lamps. They have to splice together a harness for that too.
Don
On my 2011 cvo SG, I'm putting the CB module in place of the i-pod. I have xm on my zumo 665 and an mp3 player and it works great. Taking the i-pod out also gets rid of the wire to the saddlebag and cleans it up nice for a solo seat. I'll try the J&M inside fairing mounted radio & CB antennas.
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Thanks for all the information on this. I have all the parts needed and have my Mechanic (Harley certified) starting on this tomorow. It will be interesting when he gets the fairing off if there is enough room in there etc.
I like the iPod over my Zumo 660 but it's mostly becuase I havent changed the wiring for the Zumo to be internal. I have seen on here how to do that and make that part of this project.
That will remove the wiring to the front AUX of the radio. I understand getting rid of the wiring to the saddlebag but right now I like the computer interface to iPod much more than copying songs to the Zumo. (Yes I am an iPhone user usingiTunes).
I will update everyone once this project gets underway to let you know if there are any other issues.
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He should probably have already told you that Harley says it won't work.
It's not so much simply a question of room or configuration under the outer fairing as it is the wiring harness. Harley hays they are "working on it," but for now at least they've given up on making it work on mine. At the moment, though, even though the Intercom system is hooked up and even though the radio was reflashed to (and does) recognize it, it doesn't work, and the music won't even switch over to the headset when it's plugged in and the speaker switch is pushed to the correct position.
Apparently one of the factory technical guys was making the rounds while they had mine open and spent a while looking at it. Even he couldn't answer why they wired the thing this way and had no suggestions to make it work.
The next attempt wil involve swapping out the wiring harness under the fairing for the Ultra's harness but those are on backorder through October.
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Ridgerunner, do you have the part nos. for the various components being installed on your bike? For example, there are a couple of different kits for installing CB on the bike; and, a non-Ultra overlay harness (p/n 70169-06) would be used tyupically, but may not have been on your bike.
If you have some pictures of what's been installed inside the fairing, it'd be interesting to those considering a similar project.
Hope you get the issues resolved.
Carl
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Well mine is all hooked up as well. Same results. Radio does not recognize the CB, showing not installed. This problem can only be with the harness. It doesnt look like this would be that hard. Now my iPod doesnt work or charge. I am thinking the harness would be the same one that would be on the Road Glide ultra that has the CB and the iPod. I am now going to go back over and have my original harness installed until I see someone on here figure this out. bummer dude....
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At least it's not just me.
I will get a list of the part numbers tomorrow. Dealership is closed today. I did not have a chance to take pictures before they took it all out again. I know it was a pretty tight fit just to get the CB module in there.
The XM antenna was no big deal, but there was no real space for the XM module itself (although they thought it would fit under the radio if the harness was long enough.)
The radio recognizes the intercom, which is still installed, and it even works (sort of) but the radio does not show the headset icon, no music comes through the headset, and the speaker select switch does not turn off the fairing speakers when pushed to the forward position as it does on my '06 Street Glide.
I'm having the service guys lean on the company to find a solution, and have written them myself. Maybe if enough people point out how strange it is to sell this level of bike, but design it so it is incapable of taking obvious add-ons they will respond.
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A couple of guys with CVO Ultras (both post here) installed the Ipod successfully (after correcting the mistakes in the installation instructions for pinouts 19 and 31) and an FLHTK had one installed successfully, also:
http://www.hdforums.com/forum/touring-models/548376-ipod-interface-3.html
While you're waiting to hear from MOCO, I'd ask the tech to replicate the wiring of the 35-wire connector on the FLTRUSE for the CB and XM components, and check the software versions used in the FLTRUSE and SESG2.
Hope you get a good solution soon--you've spent a lot of money for the parts and labor for the kit, and for it not to work is not acceptable.
Carl
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Thanks, Carl. I will pass the information on and let you know if it works.
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In addition to the 35 wire connector issue, the SESG2 does not have (at least I couldn't find one in the wiring diagrams) a 6A "audio harness" like all other non-CVO SG, EG and RG models, but the installation instructions for the CB module refers to making that connection (6A to 6B) from the non-Ultra overlay harness (NUOH) to the interconnect/fairing harness. Stated another way, the CB installation instructions say to make a connection from the NUOH to a connector that isn't on your bike's wiring.
If the connector isn't on your bike (and it doesn't appear to be based on the wiring diagrams), the tech will probably need to find a work around solution since those wires that would be found in the "audio harness" 6A are there, just not in a separate connector.
It's been many months since I installed the CB module on my 04 EG as part of retrofitting the Harman Kardon radio, and my memory may not be accurate, but I have a strong recollection that I miswired the audio harness 6A (one of the wiring changes on the 04 was to replace the audio harness connector (the 04 was a 3 wire connector, the '06 and newer is 6 wire; and change the wires) to replicate the '06 and newer audio harness. And, until I found that mistake, the HK unit did not recognize that the CB was connected. Like your installation, I used the NUOH with the other connections to it (CB module, rider headset, etc.)
Carl
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RR58, I will stay on my dealer to continue to call Moco as I am sure you will do the same. Let me know if you find out any further infomration. Right now I have had them remove the harness and leave the CB and iBoom kit installed. Once I get answers I will post them on here. Until then I will just do without the CB.
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Well this seems to be an ongoing issue...I'm about to leave for deployment, however I'm leaving the FLHXSE2 with the dealer while I'm gone. At some point, before I return, I will have them attempt this install. Please continue to update this thread as I will be checking back periodically for a resolution. This is a necessary install for me to ride as a Road Guard for the "Run For The Wall". Thanks to all whom have contributed and will continue to post.
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Harleypingman is correct... no connector 6A for the overlay harness, This is why the radio doesn't 'SEE' the CB module
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Thanks all for the heads up and good info...I'm currently forward deployed...The dealership has my bike for 7 months (UUGGHH) and a working on the CB addition while I'm gone...so if anyone gets this figured out please pass it on and I'll do the same if they figure it out on my end...and in answer to what you're thinking...yes, I'm having some serious seperation anxiety from my ride!
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A primary benefit of the BAMI kit is that it provides for the rider headset connector without replacing the tank console; mounting it on double-side tape forward of the seat on the gas tank; also, no tour pak is needed for the passenger headset connector or passenger PTT/vol. switch.
I have a 2011 Street Glide, and I would like to be able to listen to the HK radio through headphones. What are my options?
Regarding the above quote, wouldn't it be advantageous to replace the console with one that has the correct headset connector, rather that have it taped to the gas tank?
Thanks
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I have a 2011 Street Glide, and I would like to be able to listen to the HK radio through headphones. What are my options?
1. Buy a EG or RG Ultra--either will have the rider headset connector you need.
2. Buy and install HD's Boom Audio and Intercom kit, p/n 77108-09 for about $379 or so.
3. Buy or borrow HD's parts book for 2011 Touring models and purchase the parts you will need to access the necessary connectors on the back of the HK radio to supply audio out to the rider headset then the parts for the rider headset connector and install. You'll need the wiring diargram for the audio system to identify the pin outs on the HK you want. There's more, but the foregoing should get you started.
Regarding the above quote, wouldn't it be advantageous to replace the console with one that has the correct headset connector, rather that have it taped to the gas tank?
For several models, replacing the tank console for one that will accept a rider headset connection is undesireable so HD offers the BAMI kit with the tank mounted headset connector which is the same connector used on other models but mounted on the tank. It is secured with a metal clip in addition to the tape so it doesn't move any where.
Thanks
Good luck with your project.
Carl
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Also, Iron Cross Audio offers a headphone jack service. Iron Cross Audio does great work, but I haven't used them for this particular service.
Carl
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I am also working on the intercom and cb. Have talked with carl about this. I bought the 77107-09 off ebay (good price) it would have been easier to got the 77108-09 like carl but oh well. The intercom works great but haven't hooked up the cb yet. My bike (2010) has the 6 pin interconnect plug on it. The harness I bought has 1 wire that plugs in to it.I have ordered the pins and socket for the interconnect plug acording to wiring diagram. 4 wires come from the cb to the 35 pin connector on radio. and 4 wires to the interconnect plug from cb.still not sure about the one from the harness I bought but will experiment. it goes to the rider connector on tank. everything else so far works great, speaker switch radio lowers volume when talking like it should. When pins come in will post what I find out.
ps Carl thanks for your help I'm still not sure about the other part number you gave me for a harness but I will figure it out.
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sugarbear20, I believe the harness p/n I gave you was 69000033 which is an example of using a smaller, less expensive harness for adding the Ipod and/or NIM modules to the HK radio than using the NUOH harness used for XM, CB, rear speaker/passenger controls, etc.; and, to provide confirmation and part nos. for accessing the pin outs on the HK radio's 35 wire connector w/o using the NUOH.
Carl
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sugarbear20, I believe the harness p/n I gave you was 69000033 which is an example of using a smaller, less expensive harness for adding the Ipod and/or NIM modules to the HK radio than using the NUOH harness used for XM, CB, rear speaker/passenger controls, etc.; and, to provide confirmation and part nos. for accessing the pin outs on the HK radio's 35 wire connector w/o using the NUOH.
Carl
Carl, thanks I have gone over the wiring diagram and it looks like I can build a interconnect harness from socket 6 to the 35 pin connector and the cb socket. Do you agree with that? I have parts ordered to do that ($26.)
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Carl, thanks I have gone over the wiring diagram and it looks like I can build a interconnect harness from socket 6 to the 35 pin connector and the cb socket. Do you agree with that? I have parts ordered to do that ($26.)
Carl, I didn't say that right according to the wiring diagram 4 wires frome the cb module go to the 35 pin connector and 4 wires go to the interconnect socket? whee I have a headache :P
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In order for the CB and Intercom to function on the 2011 FLHXSE2, you will need to add 2 wires to the J27 side of the radio (right side, or left side if you are looking at the back of the unit) - then make a 6B female "ultra" or "interconnect" or "audio connector". I converted my iPod connector to a 6B connector, then used the NIM/iPod harness for the iPod/NIM connections. Keep in mind that the stock iPod connector is an 8 position DTM connector, and the 6B is a 6 position DT connector so you'll need to crimp or solder new sockets to the iPod connector wires. You'll also need a non-ultra overlay harness.
The 2 new wires for J27 enables the PTT function and are as follows - remember this is the 23 pin connector and NOT the 35 pin connector:
Blue/Yellow - Pin 2 (J27) - PTT (MIC)
Violet/Grey - Pin 15 (J27) - DSCAR Switch Matrix In
The other 4 wires/signals from the iPod connector can be re-used with new socket contacts. Of the 4 remaining wires, 2 are required and 2 are optional. These signals are the following:
Red/Orange - Battery (from H/K radio)
Black - Ground (from H/K radio)
The following wires from the original iPod connector are not required. They can be terrminated in the 6B connection and cut/capped in the J27 wiring bundle or just cut/capped at both ends.
Yellow/Orange - CAN (+)
Yellow/Violet - CAN (-)
There is an easier method to do this and a harder method. I, being the obsessed individual I am, naturally chose the harder method :).
Easier method - use the existing iPod wires for the new J27 connections (the Tan/Red and Tan/Blue)
Harder method - run properly color-coded wires for the new J27 connections.
I would say this is a somewhat difficult task to do - more tedious than anything. If wire color-codes and crimp tools make you cringe ... then maybe let the dealer do it :)
Pic - not a very good one - of a properly color coded and pinned 6B (converted stock iPod connector) is attached.
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And here is the properly coded new wires added to the 23 pin connector (J27):
Pin 2 is the blue/yellow wire (top row, second from left)
Pin 15 is the violet/grey wire (middle row, last on right)
Without these 2 new wires, I don't see how CB or Intercom will work on an FLHXSE2 as they enable the PTT function (none of this is required on a 2010 FLHXSE). With the conversion I outlined above, a non-ultra overlay harness, and an NIM/iPod harness (avail seperately for ~$33 dollars from Jenni) - any and ALL electronic H-D goodies will work with the FLHXSE2.
Hope this helps
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Harleypingman is correct... no connector 6A for the overlay harness, This is why the radio doesn't 'SEE' the CB module
Not true ... The overlay harness contains the required 6A connector, but the FLHXSE2 doesn't provide the feed for the signals outlined above on a 6B connector (critical is PTT -MIC on pin 2 and DSCAR Matrix on Pin 15 of the H/K radio). The 6B connector (or "ultra" or "audio connector") does not use nor contain the CAN (+) or CAN (-) signals. These two signals allow for new module discovery only (on J28) - and do not interface with the J27 connection. They are passed via soldered connections in the NUOH - held completely within J28 (the 35 pin connector) AND they have no relationship to the J27 side of the H/K radio. Hence the need for the "Audio Interconnect 6B/6A" wiring. This is why the SESG2 has the CAN + and - signals going from the harness for J27 to the connector for J28.
Bottom line here is that the H/K didn't "see" the CB module - not because of the lack of CAN signals (module discovery - wires ARE present in NUOH harness) - but more likely that the unit wasn't provided power/ground via 6B/6A inter-connect.
Crazy how H-D decidedto do this (wire the SESG2)...
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TIF2,
The replies you posted today deserve a separate thread IMO in the SESG/2 forum. Your knowledge of the wiring needed on the SESG2 is unsurpassed and the pictures are great. As a separate thread, they'll likely be more widely viewed than as replies to this thread.
In SugarBear20's project on his SESG, he had already installed the 77107-09 kit (Intercom only) so he hadn't used the non-Ultra overlay harness (NUOH) as that kit comes with its own harness for connecting to the 35 wire connector on the back of the HK radio (i.e. 28A). He's adding CB and supplying the CB module connector (184B) to the 28A connector w/o benefit of the plug and play connector found on the NUOH. Also, since his bike is a 2010, he has the 6B connector that's omitted from the SESG2, and the 6B connector incudes the wires from 27B (the 23 wire connector on the HK radio) that are omitted from the 27B connector on the SESG2. My assistance to SB20 has been to CB to his bike without replacing the harness included in the 77107-09 kit with the NUOH.
Your replies have identified a wiring feature that escaped me and that is the wires from 2 and 15 from the 23 wire pin outs that are present in his 6B connector. I hadn't considered those wires since he'd already installed the intercom kit which includes the PTT switch and, presumably, the connections for a functioning switch. In fact, I don't know if the harness supplied with the 77107-09 kit connects to 6B. If it does, no problem. If it doesn't, I'm not sure how the PTT function works with the intercom.
Regarding those missing wires in 27B on the SESG2, I had not noticed that until you clearly described the omissions and their importance--GREAT CATCH!!!
To circle back to my first comment, start a new thread with this and any other information you care to share about "curing" HD's mistakes with the SESG2 wiring.
Carl
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Carl, thanks I have gone over the wiring diagram and it looks like I can build a interconnect harness from socket 6 to the 35 pin connector and the cb socket. Do you agree with that? I have parts ordered to do that ($26.)
SB20, I'm not sure which wiring diagram you are using which is important regarding the 6B connector. The non-CVO 6B connector uses only 4 of the available 6 wire positions. The two omitted wires are for CAN + and - which are, ultimately, connected to the HK radio via the 35 wire connector 28B in chambers 13 and 14, respectively. If your SESG's 6B connector has the CAN wires, great; if not, you'll need to supply them to the 35 wire connector at chambers 13 and 14.
Also, the reference to the 69200033 harness (a simplified 35 wire connector for NIM and Ipod modules) recognizes you can make the CAN + and - connections directly between the 35 wire connector (28B) and the CB module; i.e. w/o the NUOH.
Carl
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In SugarBear20's project on his SESG, he had already installed the 77107-09 kit (Intercom only) so he hadn't used the non-Ultra overlay harness (NUOH) as that kit comes with its own harness for connecting to the 35 wire connector on the back of the HK radio (i.e. 28A). He's adding CB and supplying the CB module connector (184B) to the 28A connector w/o benefit of the plug and play connector found on the NUOH. Also, since his bike is a 2010, he has the 6B connector that's omitted from the SESG2, and the 6B connector incudes the wires from 27B (the 23 wire connector on the HK radio) that are omitted from the 27B connector on the SESG2. My assistance to SB20 has been to CB to his bike without replacing the harness included in the 77107-09 kit with the NUOH.
Carl
Right you are Carl - my bad for taking this to mean the 2011 SESG2 and not the 2010 SESG, or bikes with the 6B connection available.
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I had the CB installed on my 11 FLHXSE2 last week at my Dealer.....it was an adventure but well worth it... I had them install the J&M internal CB Antenna....seems to be working fine...
Now I will have the CB installed on my wifes 10 FLHXSE this week....
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So, I'm planning on adding CB to my '09 FLHX. I have already installed BAMI kit 77107-09 without foresight of adding a CB. :oops: I still think this could be fairly straightforeward after reading through this thread. Unfortunately, there are a few different applications being discussed in this thread, and I am having a bit of trouble keeping them straight.
I think all I need to do is build a little harness with 184B connector on one end and six leads, 2 to 6A, 2 to 28B and 2 to 27B. Is this correct, and what is the mapping of the 6 leads. I do have the wiring diagram for my MY, but it too is a bit difficult to follow for this, as far as what I need, and what is not needed for my application.
If anyone would be interested in putting one of these together for me, that would be icing on the cake!
Thanks in advance for any assistance.
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BigLew, the primary difference between the 77107-09 kit you installed, and the 77108-09 kit I installed is how the connections for rider and passenger headset, and passenger PTT are made to the 35 wire connector on the HK radio. With the kit you have, a single harness is used that incorporates all of those functions; but, with the kit I used, a non-Ultra overlay harness is used and the rider and passenger headset and PTT switch are separately connected to the NUOH.
Consequently, all you need to do is trace the wires used for the CB from the module to the HK radio, and supply them to the CB module by adding them to the 35 wire connector you plugged into the HK with your kit. Those wires will include those for CAN + and - (which tells the HK that the CB is connected, as well as power and ground, among others. I haven't researched the connector numbers, wire assignments, etc.
But with the wiring diagram, and funtion of the pin-outs (which are included in the HD Touring model service manual) it should be a simple wiring job. If you're going to use connectors for the CB module, you'll also need the parts manual to purchase the mating connector to the module, and supply the pins/sockets for the connectors.
Good luck with your project.
Carl
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So, after going cross-eyed from looking at the wiring diagram for several days, I let the dealer do the harness. I really think it was the better decision for me.
I can say that I needed a different connector than the PL-259 style for the antenna. Grabbed one from Radio Shack, but forgot to save the package with the part number or description.