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CVO Technical => General CVO discussion => Topic started by: cahdbiker on February 01, 2016, 07:27:44 PM
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Hello Guys, just wondering how many 110's are stock or maybe stage one modified that are still running well with 25K miles or more on them. I have complained about my lifters ticking at 3 thousand RPM and initially the fifth gear wine. At this point the fifth gear wine seems to be getting less and less Any other engine noises are the same as when it was new. I don't want to take my bike in and have the cam bearings, lifters etc replaced if not needed. I have extended my warranty to 2020 so if the engine goes out I will be covered. For the record my motor runs great except for the lifter noise at 3K. Also I would like to mention that on cold start up the engine is quiet (no lifter noise). I am only at 22k on my 09. I missed a year because of back surgery. Most of my rides are long distance. I drive it locally twice a month just for kicks. All feedback will help me decide if I need to be proactive regarding lifters and cam bearings. Thanks in advance.CAHDBIKER
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My 2015 FLTRUSE has 34k on it and doesn’t sound any different than when it was new. Engine runs well. Stock with Fullsac DX and 2.25 baffles.
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Well I find this discourageing ,, just bought mine has 118 k on the frame engine and trans replaced about 22k ago seems ok but I know little , and here I bought this bike cause I thought my 82 shovel head would be less dependable ,, it's got 8k on total rebuild , I might have to rethink selling it,,
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Break shot, don't get bummed out. My bike still sounds exactly like it did the day I picked it up. The oil use is absolutely minimal. I just want to see how many people do a cautionary replacement of lifters and cam bearings and how many people just let it ride and do their services on a regular basis and see what happens as they build up miles. I know there have been many major catastrophies posted on this site. However, what I am looking for is the people who since their bikes are working fine haven't posted anything negative. Just for the record I don't baby my bike. I have been thru the desert at 115 degrees fully loaded with passenger, and also been over Independence Pass in Colorado with snow on the ground. It runs great every time. CAHDBIKER
Well I find this discourageing ,, just bought mine has 118 k on the frame engine and trans replaced about 22k ago seems ok but I know little , and here I bought this bike cause I thought my 82 shovel head would be less dependable ,, it's got 8k on total rebuild , I might have to rethink selling it,,
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50+k replaced comp just now. That's all runs fine no ticking
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Break shot, don't get bummed out. My bike still sounds exactly like it did the day I picked it up. The oil use is absolutely minimal. I just want to see how many people do a cautionary replacement of lifters and cam bearings and how many people just let it ride and do their services on a regular basis and see what happens as they build up miles. I know there have been many major catastrophies posted on this site. However, what I am looking for is the people who since their bikes are working fine haven't posted anything negative. Just for the record I don't baby my bike. I have been thru the desert at 115 degrees fully loaded with passenger, and also been over Independence Pass in Colorado with snow on the ground. It runs great every time. CAHDBIKER
Well I was thinking since they are hi po engines people who buy them are the people who like to run them , obviously with the bike having 118k this guy liked to ride I bought it from the guys who worked on it they said that it has the 3rd trans in it the motor and trans replacements where done at Harley ,
I don't plan on any long trips hip can't handle it maybe to the beach 150 miles will be the farthest
Mostly 100 miles or less round trips a dozen of those and I'm good
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Hello Guys, just wondering how many 110's are stock or maybe stage one modified that are still running well with 25K miles or more on them. I have complained about my lifters ticking at 3 thousand RPM and initially the fifth gear wine. At this point the fifth gear wine seems to be getting less and less Any other engine noises are the same as when it was new. I don't want to take my bike in and have the cam bearings, lifters etc replaced if not needed. I have extended my warranty to 2020 so if the engine goes out I will be covered. For the record my motor runs great except for the lifter noise at 3K. Also I would like to mention that on cold start up the engine is quiet (no lifter noise). I am only at 22k on my 09. I missed a year because of back surgery. Most of my rides are long distance. I drive it locally twice a month just for kicks. All feedback will help me decide if I need to be proactive regarding lifters and cam bearings. Thanks in advance.CAHDBIKER
This is probably your ticking noise ...
https://youtu.be/0wh10CAZvEg
Updated vid with before/after ... BIG difference!
https://youtu.be/2TgYZPvAPTs
Guys that have done this mod love it. Going to do it myself before winter is over. Just another smart guy that managed to fix another one of harley's many screw-ups with a handfull of tapered bushings.
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my 09 SERG had a lifter fail at just over 44K, nothing wrong prior.
my 12 SERG had 46K on it at trade no issues other than recalled regulator
My 15 SERGU has 31K on it with no troubles yet.
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I have over 55k on my S&S V111. I replaced lifters at 50k as a precaution. Not a 110 . Just saying you can put a lot of miles on bigger motors . My motor is still going Strong.
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Just an observation from the cheap seats:
The OP having to post this question speaks volumes. I wonder if anyone at HD HQ monitors the various HD forums, including this one? Something's wrong when customers buy a company's top of the line product, then question whether to start replacing parts. I'm not Harley or CVO bashing, just pointing out something that's concerning...something that should be especially concerning to a CEO.
Last year I bought a new Ford F-150 King Ranch. I couldn't imagine buying a top of the line pickup, then immediately worrying about parts failing. I don't think Ford mgmt would stand for reliability like that.
BTW, 20k on my CVO with original lifters, etc. However, started using oil about 10k...1 qt. every 1,000 miles. Not acceptable on a $30k+ bike after so few miles. Others have posted similar issues about 110 oil consumption.
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31k on 2011.5. i bought the esp so i would ride and stop being a worry wart. not saying others are worried. i just felt with the litfers,compensators,and radio gps electronic hiccups it was worth it. at 31k my repairs thus far have more than paid for the esp. these were items i did not see comings. the engine is still strong at 31k and totally stock to actually answer the question.
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I have close to 20,000 miles on my 2011.5 SEUC with no issues (stage 1) although reading all of the comments makes me nervous about the lifters. Ron :)
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Broken lifter took out original 110 motor on my '12 at 22k. New motor now has 32k on it with no problems, thankfully. No mods at all - bone stock.
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I only have 20K on mine but have had no problems. I drive it everyday to downtown Atlanta which involves very high heat during the summer with lots of slow stop and go traffic. We take her on a couple of trips each year and a few day trips to the mountains etc. The only mod I have is a set of Kuryakyn mufflers. Runs great every day! My last one had 33K with no issues but I didn't ride it downtown so it was easier on the bike.
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I had 32K when I changed out my lifters. (Upgraded cams, oil pump, cam plate, etc. then )
My stock lifters were prefect! I did have a weird noise that I thought was the lifters. Ext. Warranty took care of everything minus my aftermarkets parts.
My inner cam bearing was the culprit.
YB
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Just an observation from the cheap seats:
The OP having to post this question speaks volumes. I wonder if anyone at HD HQ monitors the various HD forums, including this one? Something's wrong when customers buy a company's top of the line product, then question whether to start replacing parts. I'm not Harley or CVO bashing, just pointing out something that's concerning...something that should be especially concerning to a CEO.
Last year I bought a new Ford F-150 King Ranch. I couldn't imagine buying a top of the line pickup, then immediately worrying about parts failing. I don't think Ford mgmt would stand for reliability like that.
BTW, 20k on my CVO with original lifters, etc. However, started using oil about 10k...1 qt. every 1,000 miles. Not acceptable on a $30k+ bike after so few miles. Others have posted similar issues about 110 oil consumption.
I had a friend in FL, and a friend in SC that the 6.0L PowerStroke Diesels in their brand new 2004 F-250, 350 King Ranches blew up (melted, 1 caught fire) on their first day with the trucks, window stickers still in the windows, later a large class action law suit for Ford on the 6.0s to the tune of $500M... My '04 F-250 6.0L Harley Truck has never let me down for >150k mi. so far, although I did perform preventative measures along the way... ( just like changing out the lifters in a 110 :nervous:)
There's not a Manufacturer out there that can throw stones...
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The King Ranch edition does or did come with the finest of leather seats available in a truck if nothing else.
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30k and no issues to speak of....
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I had a friend in FL, and a friend in SC that the 6.0L PowerStroke Diesels in their brand new 2004 F-250, 350 King Ranches blew up (melted, 1 caught fire) on their first day with the trucks, window stickers still in the windows, later a large class action law suit for Ford on the 6.0s to the tune of $500M... My '04 F-250 6.0L Harley Truck has never let me down for >150k mi. so far, although I did perform preventative measures along the way... ( just like changing out the lifters in a 110 :nervous:)
There's not a Manufacturer out there that can throw stones...
I can just imagine that being in the HD manual. "At 10,000 miles, the MoCo recommends the owner replace the 110 lifters with those produced by a quality manufacturer."
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My 3/4 ton Plantinum has some decent seats too but it sure rides like a truck... but would rather be on my bike than the truck every day.
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30K Miles and no problems so far.
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Ride it until it dies........the extended plan won't pay for "preventive parts replacement". Why buy the extended plan and then spend money to prevent using it?
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25K on my 2012. Header, slipons and tuned. Smile all the time when I hit the throttle. Biggest problem I have is the rear tire... :orange:
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31,000 on my 13 no problems so far
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My '12 SESG was running strong at 33K when I traded it this past August. Only change was de-catted header, de-plugged stock SE mufflers and SERT. The '15 has 7K miles so far and runs great with no plans to do anything to it at this point...or at least until the warranty runs out July '17.
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44k trouble free miles on my FLHCUSE7 (2012) when I traded it in . Nothing but fond memories of her .
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Phantom 309, thanks for the video, and thanks to all for the input. I had planned on having cam bearings changed out and new lifters and pushrods, but since I renewed my warranty I will let it slide. However when the time comes I will definitely install the rocker lockers. Thanks CAHDBIKER
This is probably your ticking noise ...
https://youtu.be/0wh10CAZvEg
Updated vid with before/after ... BIG difference!
https://youtu.be/2TgYZPvAPTs
Guys that have done this mod love it. Going to do it myself before winter is over. Just another smart guy that managed to fix another one of harley's many screw-ups with a handfull of tapered bushings.
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Just an observation from the cheap seats:
The OP having to post this question speaks volumes. I wonder if anyone at HD HQ monitors the various HD forums, including this one? Something's wrong when customers buy a company's top of the line product, then question whether to start replacing parts. I'm not Harley or CVO bashing, just pointing out something that's concerning...something that should be especially concerning to a CEO.
Last year I bought a new Ford F-150 King Ranch. I couldn't imagine buying a top of the line pickup, then immediately worrying about parts failing. I don't think Ford mgmt would stand for reliability like that.
BTW, 20k on my CVO with original lifters, etc. However, started using oil about 10k...1 qt. every 1,000 miles. Not acceptable on a $30k+ bike after so few miles. Others have posted similar issues about 110 oil consumption.
I had a Ford Excursion lemon lawed the first year the 6.0 diesel came out. It was a nightmare from the get go, and supposedly Ford knew the motor had issues. After I had a complete power loss in the #1 lane on a major SoCal freeway, I got a lawyer involved. They took it back and wrote me a check. Worst vehicle I have ever owned.
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I hate to jinx myself but FLHTCUSE8 with over 30,000 miles, no issues and ridden fairly hard
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Other than the lifters and a compensator, my 09 is internally stock with 32k.
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My 12 SEUC is totally stock. 36,000 miles. No more noise than it originally made. Been running Syn 3. Probably jinxed myself now!
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Ride it until it dies........the extended plan won't pay for "preventive parts replacement". Why buy the extended plan and then spend money to prevent using it?
YES brother :2vrolijk_21:, that's what I say too. At 60 000 miles mine was rebuilt under warranty.
Now let's see if I can get another rebuild before the warranty runs out. :huepfenjump3:
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My 2015 FLTRUSE has 34k on it and doesn’t sound any different than when it was new. Engine runs well. Stock with Fullsac DX and 2.25 baffles.
I just purchased the Fullsac DX and 2.25" cores for my 15 CVO roadglide. I'm anxious to get them installed! How do you like yours? I'm hoping they're sound good, but not obnoxious.
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It seems like there 's no rhythm or rime on mileage fault issues. Some at low mileage issues, some at mid mileage issues and some at high mileage with no issues.
There may be three factors at work here at manufacturing,..
Low mileage issues= Friday afternoon throw together.
Mid mileage issues= Monday morning hangover put together.
High mileage with no issues= Tuesday to Thursday put together.
Hope mine's a Wednesday ::) No motor parts issues at 10K, only a blown starter relay that I did my self, arced the battery :P
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I just purchased the Fullsac DX and 2.25" cores for my 15 CVO roadglide. I'm anxious to get them installed! How do you like yours? I'm hoping they're sound good, but not obnoxious.
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Really like the sound. Not thumpy sounding. Can hear music fine without having the volume cranked up high. The sound suits my preference.
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My 2015 FLTRUSE has 34k on it and doesn’t sound any different than when it was new. Engine runs well. Stock with Fullsac DX and 2.25 baffles.
Well I think I jinxed myself. Went over to the dealership the other day to hang out with a friend while he was getting his bike serviced. I asked the dealership if they had time to check out a rattling/squeaking noise coming from the cam chest area on my bike. Just got a call from the dealership that some needle bearings came out of a lifter and got into the oil pump and oil filter. Guess I'll be without a bike for a few weeks but I'm getting a new motor under warranty.
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Well I think I jinxed myself. Went over to the dealership the other day to hang out with a friend while he was getting his bike serviced. I asked the dealership if they had time to check out a rattling/squeaking noise coming from the cam chest area on my bike. Just got a call from the dealership that some needle bearings came out of a lifter and got into the oil pump and oil filter. Guess I'll be without a bike for a few weeks but I'm getting a new motor under warranty.
Well that sucks!
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Well that sucks!
Yes and no. Sucks that it happened. Nice he now has a new motor, with no miles on it.
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So much for those SE lifters with larger bearings! >:(
Glad it didn't happen far from home Joe. When you get the new motor maybe slide some S&S lifters into it.
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So much for those SE lifters with larger bearings! >:(
Glad it didn't happen far from home Joe. When you get the new motor maybe slide some S&S lifters into it.
Will probably trade when the 17s come out. If not I'll get extended warranty.
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Ford knew they had a problem a few years ago with there engines and the spark plugs that blow out of the head because they only have 3 threads holding them in. So in the more expensive King Ranch editions they put in nicer leather interior so you would be comfortable while waiting for a tow truck. Yugo took a similar approach by installing rear window defogger's on all there vehicles to keep your hands warm when you pushed them.
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Ford knew they had a problem a few years ago with there engines and the spark plugs that blow out of the head because they only have 3 threads holding them in. So in the more expensive King Ranch editions they put in nicer leather interior so you would be comfortable while waiting for a tow truck. Yugo took a similar approach by installing rear window defogger's on all there vehicles to keep your hands warm when you pushed them.
Somebody told me that was the same reason Ford put heaters on their tailgates.... to keep your hands warm when you push them. :D :D :D
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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90,000 and still humming along. Lifters at 75,000. ;D
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Somebody told me that was the same reason Ford put heaters on their tailgates.... to keep your hands warm when you push them. :D :D :D
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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That's only when your draging a Chevy behind it ,,
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Break shot
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It's always a crap shoot with some MoCo parts. Some guys get long life from stock lifters, others don't. Remember the chain tensioners when the first TC's came out? One friend had his go south, metal to metal, at 7000 miles. Another friend went 59,000 miles before he replaced them. So, I gotta ask, feeling lucky? ;)
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I agree with RidgRunr, makes you wonder if it depends if we buy a Monday or Tuesday made bike. I pulled the cat, full sac headers at 1500 miles and haven't touched the bike otherwise. Uses 1/4 qt oil between 5k oil changes, just turned 25k.
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I ran my 09 motor untouched to 36k, I then replaced lifters, cam bearings, cam chain shoes and breathers. I did put a SE cam plate in at the same time only because I had it sitting on the shelf. My ccp checked out at 220 on both cylinders. My cam chain shoes had a good amount of wear on them for 36k, not smooth, looked liked they were flaking some, a bit of frosting on the lifter rollers and cam.
TN
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My 2011 has 32,000 and has never been touched. Still seems to run the same. I asked my dealer about lifters being an issue. He said he's seen a few not many 110's really having any specific problems. I guess its hit and miss.
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Well, sorry to say that the engine in my 2015 FLHTKSE 110 CVO beauty was rebuilt last month at 19,500 miles. I had dealer servicing at all required intervals and changed the oil more often than required, actually.
Crank, cylinder walls, pistons, cams (more). . . still breaking in the rebuild. Very disappointed as well that Harley did not send me a new crate motor. Rebuilt Engine feels rougher than when I bought the bike new. Did not expect to have to deal with this type of issue on a $40k bike, well maintained.
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Well, sorry to say that the engine in my 2015 FLHTKSE 110 CVO beauty was rebuilt last month at 19,500 miles. I had dealer servicing at all required intervals and changed the oil more often than required, actually.
Crank, cylinder walls, pistons, cams (more). . . still breaking in the rebuild. Very disappointed as well that Harley did not send me a new crate motor. Rebuilt Engine feels rougher than when I bought the bike new. Did not expect to have to deal with this type of issue on a $40k bike, well maintained.
James, your troubles are not that unusual albeit your's did arise a tad bit earlier than most. Here's hoping the rebuilt motor has a long and trouble free life. :2vrolijk_21:
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No disrespect to anyone here but these big inch Twin Cam engines are a joke from a reliability standpoint, and the worst part is Harley knows it. Cam lifts and ramps are too much for the roller lifters. Compensators suck. Inner cam bearings suck. Crank bearings suck. Cranks have too much runout. Twin cams were not designed for what they've evolved into. I agree with those who say the drivetrain of a new $40K+ bike should run longer than 20K miles without major problems. Sure, some do, but seems more don't. YMMV.
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No disrespect to anyone here but these big inch Twin Cam engines are a joke from a reliability standpoint, and the worst part is Harley knows it. Cam lifts and ramps are too much for the roller lifters. Compensators suck. Inner cam bearings suck. Crank bearings suck. Cranks have too much runout. Twin cams were not designed for what they've evolved into. I agree with those who say the drivetrain of a new $40K+ bike should run longer than 20K miles without major problems. Sure, some do, but seems more don't. YMMV.
I agree.
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From the 2014 SE catalog, this should give some indication:
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From the 2014 SE catalog, this should give some indication:
No where in the owners manual for bikes with the 110 does it say that lifter should be replaced every 7500 miles. I have had an 09, 12, 13,and a 15 with the 110 engine. That is not listed in the maintenance schedule.
I under stand if I were to buy a high lift cam and install it, or higher pressure valve springs. These are stock bikes we are talking about.
I am also 100% positive if that was a requirement for a stock 110 motor all these motors would not have been replaced or rebuilt under warranty if the lifter had not been replaced at 7500 miles. Mine have never been replaced prior to HD covering two motors with failures, both over 40K miles.
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I don't recall seeing in the owner's manuals of the 1999-2006 models that the can chain tensioners need to be replaced every 20k either.
SBC lifters are good for about .550" lift. Even stock cams on these big Twin Cam engines are pushing the limit. Way too many catastrophic failures to say otherwise.
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Personally I think it's a 'big picture' issue from the moco' vantage point. They couldn't very well retreat from the twinkies and most especially the problem plagued 110s so they played the odds until they developed the M8 to replace. Many do not fail during the factory warranty period as many, many owners don't put the miles on like many of us on this site do. And can you imagine the negative response from customers if the lifters were a replacement item every 7,500, 10,000 or even 20,000 miles. It would be s deal breaker imo for many purchasers.
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:2vrolijk_21:
Most will fail outside of warranty is absolutely right on. Or just put out a TSB with a new maintenance recommendation but don't recall it. Better yet offer a conversion kit the dealer can sell then install for you.
Again and again the consumer pays to correct Harley's design flaws.
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kind of surprised there has not been a class action lawsuit with these engines. lawyers just love this stuff. :nixweiss:
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kind of surprised there has not been a class action lawsuit with these engines. lawyers just love this stuff. :nixweiss:
There was several years ago after all the problems with the 2007s with the then new 110.
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kind of surprised there has not been a class action lawsuit with these engines. lawyers just love this stuff. :nixweiss:
Me, I get a new motor every couple of years. While under warranty I am not replacing lifters, and I'll continue to grenade these motors until I hit the magic 75k. Then the motor will get worked & done right by not-HD.
Edit - I also made it only 8k before issues. Had half a camshalft snap ring on the oil plug magnet.
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My take is that you WILL have the lifters go out. I had the ticking sound for two years before it happened at 30K. Several dealers all said it was normal and sounded fine---until the oil pressure went to zero and the oil pump was full of metal from the failed lifters. Luckily, I was several miles from home and could take it to the dealer the next day. I didn't have the extended warranty and it cost me $3500 ( after some help from the the dealership and mo. company). Waiting, for you, will be fine to take advantage of the extended warranty as long as you are comfortable with having them go out when you are on a long trip. It may be worth the several hundred dollars to do preventive replacement so it doesn't screw up a vacation. It is a "ticking" time bomb.
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My bike had 9K when I got it. Just to be on the safe side the lifters were replaced with S & S premiums and the inner cam bearings were changed to Timkens. Put new cam tensioners while it was apart. So far so good at 19k.
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These latest OE Twin Cam lifters suck the large one. The previous OE Delphi lifters are better, and S&S is now selling these exact ones as their "standard" lifter. You'll see the MoCo recommends the SE lifters (with the beefed up rollers) and STILL recommends 7,500 mile replacement. The previous Delphi SE lifters IMO are better. If you really want to go 20K safely pony up for the Jims set.
Honestly though with adjustable pushrods a lifter job isn't terribly difficult or time consuming. Sure better than an oil pump full of metal jiblets.
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No Problems here... just under 30,000 miles. My biggest problem lately is getting on the damn thing in order to put more miles on it.
The only parts replaced was the clutch, which was my choice... and the front wheel bearings, because I can't stop the wheelies.
T-Hawk
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My 08 CVO is not untouched. I had motor work done to upgrade cam and lifters, compression, etc. tried sun 3 when new but didn't like it. Used Amsoil and was very happy. After build and break in used Redline. Motor sounded like a thrashing machine. I went back to Amsoil in all 3 holes. 20-50 in the engine Primary oil in primary and Transmission oil in tranny. All Amsoil. Very happy with this oil.
I am wondering about Liqui-Moly for the engine.
What I notice is how much quieter my tranny and motor are when using Amsoil.
Just my opinion
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Well I am closing in on 40000 miles on my 14 with just regular maintenance, oil changes between 4000 and 5000 miles running Liqui Moly 10W-60 Motor Oil. for the last 30000 miles Top end is still very quite. Heavy duty Shock proof in the gear box and what ever I have around in the primary. Fingers crossed
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Well I am closing in on 40000 miles on my 14 with just regular maintenance, oil changes between 4000 and 5000 miles running Liqui Moly 10W-60 Motor Oil. for the last 30000 miles Top end is still very quite. Heavy duty Shock proof in the gear box and what ever I have around in the primary. Fingers crossed
Be afraid, be very afraid. Regardless of how well maintained it is the lifters are still a very, very weak point on the 110s. I know 'cause I had lifter failure four times - twice each on my '07 and my '12. Maybe your '14 has been improved with the SE lifters but I'd still be nervous. Just sayin'. Good luck.
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Well I am closing in on 40000 miles on my 14 with just regular maintenance, oil changes between 4000 and 5000 miles running Liqui Moly 10W-60 Motor Oil. for the last 30000 miles Top end is still very quite. Heavy duty Shock proof in the gear box and what ever I have around in the primary. Fingers crossed
Be afraid, be very afraid. Regardless of how well maintained it is the lifters are still a very, very weak point on the 110s. I know 'cause I had lifter failure four times - twice each on my '07 and my '12. Maybe your '14 has been improved with the SE lifters but I'd still be nervous. Just sayin'. Good luck.
I know a 14 CVO Limited had is lifter go out with 21K on the bike while we were riding out in WA, a long way from home.
One of my best friends lifters went out on his 15 CVO Road Glide ultra with 35K on the motor. My 15 CVO Road Glide had lifters go out with 43K on the motor.
Luckily these bikes were under warranty, as its about a 6K repair, as two of the three required motor replacement.
Compared to that its pretty cost effective to change to better lifters.
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40,000 on my 2011 CVO and no problems.
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Sorry folks, my 110 lasted a total of 480 miles before I had the work done to it. Now, if I could just get out to ride the thing more!
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Greetings,
I thought I was lucky but at 35,000 and just after getting home from a 2400 mile trip around Lake Superior my 2009 S/E Roadglide ate a lifter. At least it waited until I got home to self destruct. No internal mods, consistent Redline oil changes and mostly two up touring. It did have a Master-Tune and a 30 tooth sprocket.
Well what's a boy to do. Had the 117 kit installed while it was apart. Hoping the milder cam and the S&S lifters I used will keep it alive and dependable for at least 30,000 more. I love my orange beast and plan to keep it.
Having worked in several dealerships I can say that it seems to be hit or miss with the Twin Cams. I do believe that there were several design and or manufacturing flaws inherent with all Twin Cams but really present on the 110's, ie, tensioners, compensators, lifters, God awful valve train noise, crank issues, etc. I also believe that Mother HD knew about all these issues and just turned a blind eye.
Do love my 2009 S/E Roadglide though and I plan on keeping her fit and running. :soapbox:
SteveM
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Greetings,
I thought I was lucky but at 35,000 and just after getting home from a 2400 mile trip around Lake Superior my 2009 S/E Roadglide ate a lifter. At least it waited until I got home to self destruct. No internal mods, consistent Redline oil changes and mostly two up touring. It did have a Master-Tune and a 30 tooth sprocket.
Well what's a boy to do. Had the 117 kit installed while it was apart. Hoping the milder cam and the S&S lifters I used will keep it alive and dependable for at least 30,000 more. I love my orange beast and plan to keep it.
Having worked in several dealerships I can say that it seems to be hit or miss with the Twin Cams. I do believe that there were several design and or manufacturing flaws inherent with all Twin Cams but really present on the 110's, ie, tensioners, compensators, lifters, God awful valve train noise, crank issues, etc. I also believe that Mother HD knew about all these issues and just turned a blind eye.
Do love my 2009 S/E Roadglide though and I plan on keeping her fit and running. :soapbox:
SteveM
I believe you just hit on the main problem >:(
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29k on my 2013. Motor is all stock....only have slip ons on it.
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Well mine is in getting new lifters put in. Just over 36,000 miles. Awaiting word if there is any other damage that might require further work to be done.
Bill
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Bought my 12SG with 3700 miles and at 7,000 miles the lifters went bad . Went with S&S 113" from Don @ HD Street performance. Extremely happy with around 130 hp and tq
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Man this chit scares me, I have a 2016 limited, honestly I cant wait to get rid of the bike grab a limited low and toss the cvo seat on it
all these new bikes are chitboxes to me
sorry just how i feel about the garbage after the evo
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Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Just be sure to swap out your lifters every 20K. Once you have adjustable pushrods it's an easy job. Keep a spare set (and compensator) in the toolbox. :bananarock:
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Untouched at 40k.
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Untouched at 40k.
well thats a sad statement, Not at you but change lifters @ 20k
im kinda stuck with this heap, but its nice to push a button and do 90 on highway, I order shocks for this thing and I think I want to hop it up :pepper:
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Back in Feb 2017 I had my rear exhaust valve lifter fail. I have a 2015 FLHTKSE warranty replaced everything except cases, jugs and heads. So while it was down I had heads decked, ported and polished. And S&S 585 cams with adjustable push rods. The bike had just turned 15k miles when the lifter failed.
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Owned 4 different cvo's since 2005, no issues besides routine maintenance. Collectively, over 150k miles on them. My 2010 is running great!
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my 110 is now at 40000 mi and still stock with no issues! :nervous: :nervous: :nervous:
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My 110 is still in a box untouched does that count :)
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My 110 is still in a box untouched does that count :)
Only if you've hauled it around in a vehicle for over 25k Miles.
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It gets moved around the garage periodically
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Mine is still in a box and trouble free. It's still in the same spot so low miles. :huepfenlol2:
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My '11 SERGU, experienced lifter failure @ 15,589 miles one year ago, while returning from a trip to the Smokies and the Dragon.
When the dealer broken down the engine, turns out my bike was a Monday or Friday production bike, no SE components... 110 with 103 guts... know wonder the engine failed. MoCo still won't explain why.
Maybe a class action is needed, considering we spent what we did for the CVO "Cream of the crop".
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My '11 SERGU, experienced lifter failure @ 15,589 miles one year ago, while returning from a trip to the Smokies and the Dragon.
When the dealer broken down the engine, turns out my bike was a Monday or Friday production bike, no SE components... 110 with 103 guts... know wonder the engine failed. MoCo still won't explain why.
Maybe a class action is needed, considering we spent what we did for the CVO "Cream of the crop".
that would make me mad! >:( one thing for it break down,but paying for less than what you intended on getting. most of the time I am patient on problems. that would get my blood boiling. >:( be interesting to see how moco handles this. :nixweiss:
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My 2012 has 39,000 miles. Taking her in today for a 40k service. Decided while there will have them replace the Cam Plate with the New SE Cam Plate which includes Cam Plate, Inner Cam Bearing, Oil Pump, Cam Chain Shoes. I will also have them change the Lifters to S & S along with the S & S Adjustable Push Rods. This is just a maintenance preventive decision. The bike still runs well and have never had any issues.
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My update to this thread 52000 and not touched yet. :bananarock: :bananarock: :bananarock:
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Lifter went south at 24K miles on 2010 FLHXSE. $4K repairs done under warranty. Replaced the HD lifters with S&S Premium and adjustable pushrods at $44K to prevent another grenade (no more warranty). Just had the cam chest inspected at 60K miles and replacement kit installed by independent shop in Frederick, MD. Fueling cam plate, fuel pump, new sprockets, chains, tensioners and Timken inner cam bearings. Cams and lifters were fine.
When I look at the new bikes, nothing out there floats my boat so I plan on keeping Captain Morgan for a long time. So, besides regular scheduled stuff, we'll just keep doing the preventative maintenance as the miles add up.
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Replaced the HD lifters with S&S Premium and adjustable pushrods at $44K to prevent another grenade (no more warranty).
wouldn't it have been cheaper to just buy a new bike? :D
I've got 35,000 on mine now. still have 2 years left on warranty. if it lasts then near the end of warranty, i'll probably go ahead and do the s&s or even a bb from gmr.
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Update on my service work done @ 39k miles. Replaced Cam plate with Updated SE Cam Plate with HO Oil Pump, Inner Cam Bearing, Cam Tensioner (primary / secondary), S & S Standard lifters and S & S Adjustable Push Rods. The stock Lifters had a little wear, push rods no wear, Inner Bearing were getting bad, primary Tensioner had some wear, secondary no wear, Cam Plate had some scaring on it, oil pump had some wear. The Mechanic said it looked good for the mileage with only the inner bearing being ready for replacement, everything could have run for a while longer. BTY, the top end is quieter now!
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Were the SUPER PREMIUM lifters!
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My 2012 CVO 110 developed an ever so slight tapping on my way to Sturgis in 2015...riding not trailering. Since I had the extended service plan and it was my first trip to Sturgis I said the hell with it and ran it like there was nothing wrong. On my way back home, to Pittsburgh, PA the tapping grew louder and louder. I took it to the the dealer and they redid the engine at the tune of about $7,000 costing me only the $50 deductable. That was at 30k miles. Now nearing 50k and it is running well. However, since I am covered with the extended service plan into 2019 I am hoping it blows up before then so as to have it rebuilt once again.😀
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Just passed the 40K mile mark & has never been touched!
We just got home from 26 days & 6800 mile trip. Bike ran great pulling a Bushtec Trailer. On day 25 Fullsac header broke apart & had to get it welded to get back to Florida. I'm waiting on a new Fullsac header & am looking into changing out the lifters & inner cam bearings before putting the exhaust back together. I've pretty much made the decision to do this as to go with another 4 year extended warranty.
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Traded mine in with 34,700 miles with no motor issues. You can see it at the link below. Mechanically it just had Fullsac Headers, pipes, and tune plus a Rekluse clutch.
http://www.chicagoharley.com/used/Harley-Davidson/2011-Harley-Davidson-CVO+Road+Glide+FLTRXSE2-Glenview+IL-5d9b31950a0e0ae8145e712d04789bd1.htm
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2009 SEUC4 with 53k miles, se mufflers, high flow filter, SE tuner, dynoed. Just pulled down for cams lifters oil pump. Just in time.
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My rocker box and rocker assembly bolts all came loose at 18k thought it was the lifters till I broke it down and found all the loose bolts.
I changed the lifters to S&S primium lifters and put in Torrington fully compliant cam bearings as I had it apart probably didn't need the lifters but did them and the bearings them then then later.
Have to change the lower cylinder gaskets this winter they're seeping a bit. I'll be changing the rings to Total Seal Rings. I've also just ordered up some rocker lockers ROCKOUT Harley Rocker Shaft Inserts STOP THAT TOP END TAPPING!!! Twin Cam V-Twin
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ROCKOUT-Harley-Rocker-Shaft-Inserts-STOP-THAT-TOP-END-TAPPING-Twin-Cam-V-Twin/232172454829?hash=item360e8e83ad:g:2jgAAOSwu1VW220S
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30,000 miles on a 2015 just changed lifters for no good reason
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My 2015 FLTRUSE didn't make it to 25K miles, crank bearings went out at 18K so new engine installed, rode home to Calif from Albuquerque, it went to the shop for lifters and since then for the last year, it's been in the shop most of the time for coolant loss and charging problems. I got it back last month, I only have 23K on it now, so far everything seems OK. I've been out riding since the weather is so nice here to get some miles on it to make sure everything holds.
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Approaching 40K and no problems so far.....
Extended warranty until 2022 so I'm going to ride it and not worry about anything until the end of 2021
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I have a 2013 RG CVO 110", with a Trask turbo charger. Otherwise, engine is stock. Had to upgrade the clutch due to slippage at 142 ft-lb torque. Oil changes every 2500 miles. Now up to 43,000 miles on her. No engine problems. With the turbo, I don't hear any engine noise, haha.
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Pic of the RG Turbo.
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34K and still going strong, no issues! Had a few coolant leaks in the beginning (hose clamps); replaced the heated grips at about 27K (control knob stuck solid); replaced Infotainment system at 32K (went totally bonkers); 3 sets of tires and 1 set of brake pads to date. LOVE IT!!
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2011 USE Road Glide zero issues , 22k miles, rinehart pipes otherwise all stock, quiet lifters so not had checked yet.
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My ’13 CUSE8 has 29, 677 miles - just had the 30k service completed while in winter storage at my local dealership. Engine is stock but running Fullsac headers and V&H Monster ovals with a good tune.
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My 2009 FLTRSE3 had 19000 miles on it with no issues. Just had some motor work done, waiting for a final dyno pull. But when the tech tore it down, no issues reported.
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Regretting my purchase 15 CVO w/ 10 k miles after reading these posts LOL.
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This winter I installed S&S premium lifters, Rocker Lockers, air/oil filters in the rocker boxes (while I had the Rocker covers off) and Fullsac DX with 2" baffles . Engine purrs and exhaust sounds great. 20,000 miles in a '13 CVO Ultra.
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Hey Guys, i have a 2011 Road Glide Ultra CVO and have been riding Harley's for more than six years. I bought this bike with 37,000 miles on it, it had a stage II tuner kit and upgraded cams. At 41,000 I had to have an entire engine rebuild. I should have done more reading up on this site and others after the rebuild. That rebuild was done two years ago, i just started getting engine noise that sounded like lifters. Looks like I will be needing ANOTHER engine rebuild at 60,000 miles. Unfortunately I did not renew my warranty, what could go wrong in 20,000 miles??? I am amazed that Harley riders have not raised this issue with the government in regard to defective products. A $45,000 product that has a motor that will fall apart at 20,000 miles? They finally had to admit they have a problem with the ABS brake systems because of thousands of complaints. As owners, we have to shell out $900 a year for a warranty just because we know that this product has serious defects. Why are Harley owners accepting these serious flaws in the product and shelling out thousands of dollars on warranties to cover up the defects? When you read postings from Harley mechanics on a variety of sites they talk about Catastrophic Failures that happen all the time. Harley has been building bikes for a long time but it's issues like this that have people riding other brands. I would like to hear other riders thoughts.
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Hey Guys, i have a 2011 Road Glide Ultra CVO and have been riding Harley's for more than six years. I bought this bike with 37,000 miles on it, it had a stage II tuner kit and upgraded cams. At 41,000 I had to have an entire engine rebuild. I should have done more reading up on this site and others after the rebuild. That rebuild was done two years ago, i just started getting engine noise that sounded like lifters. Looks like I will be needing ANOTHER engine rebuild at 60,000 miles. Unfortunately I did not renew my warranty, what could go wrong in 20,000 miles??? I am amazed that Harley riders have not raised this issue with the government in regard to defective products. A $45,000 product that has a motor that will fall apart at 20,000 miles? They finally had to admit they have a problem with the ABS brake systems because of thousands of complaints. As owners, we have to shell out $900 a year for a warranty just because we know that this product has serious defects. Why are Harley owners accepting these serious flaws in the product and shelling out thousands of dollars on warranties to cover up the defects? When you read postings from Harley mechanics on a variety of sites they talk about Catastrophic Failures that happen all the time. Harley has been building bikes for a long time but it's issues like this that have people riding other brands. I would like to hear other riders thoughts.
i do not disagree with you. you probably will be asked to go to member introduction and introduce yourself. you are right this is a good sight with lotsa ole-timers with a wealth of knowledge.
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I have 71,000 problem free miles on my 2013 CVO Road Glide Custom, only mods were Fullsac DX Pipe and TTS Tuner. Decided that I would upgrade it now to the 117 so its in the shop now and should get it back by the end of the week
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Just did s&s premium lifters, inner cam bearings, and rocker lockers on my 2012 SESG at 14000 miles. Preventative maintenance i guess.
A few of the stockers looked suspect. Could feel a ridge on 2 of them.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180329/6137583a64925510026345392f71371f.jpg)
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55,000 on my 2014 cvo limited
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55,000 on my 2014 cvo limited
Not even a broken water pump?
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Always a good idea to proactively change lifters but also consider the inner camshaft needle bearings (upgrade to the Koyo uncaged style).
Lot of guys will do the rocker lockers if the top end is noisy.
Keep an eye on the compensator too.
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I’m gonna take a look at a 2007 FLHRSE3, second owner, excellent condition, with 42,000 miles with all service records. No major work or recall work except for regular interval service/fluid changes and tune ups, done on bike. He’s asking $10,900 for it, of course I’m gonna offer less for it if all goes well with the inspection. Any suggestions on how much to offer, what to keep an eye and ear for? Mahalo in advance! (I’m aware of the 07’ 110 motor issues. Maybe this one’s a unicorn? lol)
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I’m gonna take a look at a 2007 FLHRSE3, second owner, excellent condition, with 42,000 miles with all service records. No major work or recall work except for regular interval service/fluid changes and tune ups, done on bike. He’s asking $10,900 for it, of course I’m gonna offer less for it if all goes well with the inspection. Any suggestions on how much to offer, what to keep an eye and ear for? Mahalo in advance! (I’m aware of the 07’ 110 motor issues. Maybe this one’s a unicorn? lol)
run the v.i.n. for head recall. with 42000 m i am sure it has been done. a quick check for piece of mind.
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You may want to look for a 2009 or later, as they re-designed the frame and the ride is/was much improved. If you have a good reason to get the 2007, go ahead. But a 2007 with that many miles probably isn't a great deal.
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You may want to look for a 2009 or later, as they re-designed the frame and the ride is/was much improved. If you have a good reason to get the 2007, go ahead. But a 2007 with that many miles probably isn't a great deal.
gotta, agree!
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I had a 13 CVO.. I really can't seem to leave them alone, which I've done many pro active work and cams, really had no issues.. Traded for a 17 CVO ~oh lordy~ no longer have that, being HD gave me a 18 CVO .. lol .. It gets worse or better .. since I no longer trust the M8 to handle what I was asking it to dish out, I secretly (from my dealer) went out and bought a 15 CVO just up the road from me. Come to find out I'm the 4th owner and it had 1470 miles on it. Paid 27k for it w V&H head pipe and Rinehart mufflers, found it had a Super Tuner but did not come w the bike, and can't get Stormy Hill HD FL to step up and locate it for me (they did the work). "Bill" bought it and dropped it on one of the saddle bags, certainly can not tell which one (must have replaced it), so "Bill" had 10.5" rear shocks put on, found that didn't work.. so he traded it to "Lucky U" FL for a Trike .. Lucky U advertised. A fellow up my way bought the CVO sight unseen w just over 1400 miles on it (had it shipped) .. He quickly realized it's to much bike and tried to sell it for 29K $2500 above NADA.. I bought it, worse riding bike I ever rode w the 10.5" rear shocks (lucky it didn't rub the wires inside the rear fender, probably would have if one of the last 2 owners put more than 75 miles on).
So now I after reading this thread and you all reminded me of issues I was fearing then and now again .. If you think back when you first bought your bike, and I see many now w 30k miles that lost lifters.. Would you say, just ride it. At the very least get ESP. If I have the bucks do it right and change all the items in question w very good aftermarket parts and put a 117ci while your at it. It really sounds good, very quiet, and rides very well now that it has 13" shocks on it.
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44,750 miles and sounds like it is coming apart. stopped at dealer service manager says yeah you got a problem. 6 days til esp expires. :o :)
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44,750 miles and sounds like it is coming apart. stopped at dealer service manager says yeah you got a problem. 6 days til esp expires. :o :)
:o Good luck and keep us posted.
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44,750 miles and sounds like it is coming apart. stopped at dealer service manager says yeah you got a problem. 6 days til esp expires. :o :)
dealer says esp approved all repairs recommended. at this time i do not know what they are. i will be talking with the service mgr tomorrow. will report back!
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31k on 2011.5. i bought the esp so i would ride and stop being a worry wart. not saying others are worried. i just felt with the litfers,compensators,and radio gps electronic hiccups it was worth it. at 31k my repairs thus far have more than paid for the esp. these were items i did not see comings. the engine is still strong at 31k and totally stock to actually answer the question.
if your had a bike that you never knew when it was going to break and ruined your vacation or planned trip. dared not get too far from home with it because of multiple failures, you would worry, as most do not sure bout the worry wart!
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2013 FLHTCUSE8 Annv 36000 miles. No issues, replaced only the front and back tires, header pipe with a Fuel Moto, and a Dynojet Power Vision.
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I love my 13 CVO Ultra...20,000 miles with lifters replaced and normal maint. I am partial to the older inner faring layout.
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My '15 FLTRUSE made it to just over 42K. Started it one morning and heard a sound I never heard before. Sounded like something broke off inside the motor and was randomly kicking around inside. Strange as when I put it away a few days earlier, there was no issues.
Bike brought to my local indy. Tare down revealed failures of the oil pump, cam and lifters. Not sure which failed first but it resulted in trash circulating around the engine. Further tear down revealed scored pistons and cylinders. ESP has approved a new long block, which will arrive (hopefully) in about a week.
I am the second owner of this bike, so I don't know the full history. I've been owner for over a year and haven't had any issues up to this point. New motor will get S&S lifters just to be sure they don't become a problem down the road.
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My 2011 pumpkin has been great ...albeit....I do not run it to hard.....lots of 75-80 mph on the way out west. But the first 40000 has been flawless. Glad I do not have a M8. Just sayin
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I’m the second owner of a 2012 FLTXSE, CVO, aka the “Skunk” Road Glide. Bought it with 21,000 miles and after riding it a
couple thousand miles and reading about the “issues” with cam bearings and lifters, has them upgraded but their didn’t seem to be any problem other than one lifter had a bit of “frosting” on one roller. Glad I had it taken care of but not sure it’s necessary!
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Red 2011 SEUC. After 20.000 km lifter failure damaged the engine. Changed to S&S 124"LC no problem at all.
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2011 Kryptonite just turned 40,000 miles! All is well so far. D&D Fatcat and a tune.
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Red 2011 SEUC. After 20.000 km lifter failure damaged the engine. Changed to S&S 124"LC no problem at all.
Sorry for the failure but I believe you have made a good choice and wish you many happy miles from here. Let us know more about the new 124 when you have some miles on it.
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My 2015 CVO is in the shop now as we speak. The thing is she has been flawless up to now. I took it in for a 30k service at a little over 29k Miles. 2 weeks and 200 Miles later, I started hearing a Rattke Can and Rusty gate noise in the Cam Compartment. They found a Chain Tensioner broke and stuck in the chain and lifters were failing. The shop replaced the entire Cam Compartment with upgraded Oil Pump lifters Cam bearings, etc.. I went on a 2800 mile ride and by the time I got back lifters were losing pressure, by morning. and then shorter periods. I took it back to the shop and they found the motor was self destructing. Valve guides or something broke off and got into the cylinder, something got into the lifter bites and chewed up the bores. I am now waiting for ESP to send an inspector and approve a Long Block.
I didn’t want to believe any of these stories, but here I am. Thank goodness I am a firm believer in the Extended Warranty. But a month ago I paid for the upgraded parts that are now junk
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The most likely reason for the current issues is the failure of the shop to properly clean every bit of metal from the first failure out of your engine. Make them pay for the upgraded parts if the ESP won't
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27000 Km. Flawless. Ride two up most of the time. Fuel moto headers, powervision auto tune.
Preventively swapped lifters and oil pump to S&S @25000 Km.
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On Saturday my 2012 Road Glide with 41,800 miles, never a issue, never had the engine modded or opened, destroyed itself from the inside, cam area they said. Covered by ESP with new engine. Went and got me a 2018 RG today. Hope that doesn't happen on a trip, I was heading to Sturgis.
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Lucky it made it that far. Hope the new bike treats you well.
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2012 citrus orange streetglide just developed a lifter tick, just over 45,000 miles...... going with woods alpha series directional lifters
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On Saturday my 2012 Road Glide with 41,800 miles, never a issue, never had the engine modded or opened, destroyed itself from the inside, cam area they said. Covered by ESP with new engine. Went and got me a 2018 RG today. Hope that doesn't happen on a trip, I was heading to Sturgis.
Sorry about your Skunk and good luck on the '18.
By the way, great picture and still one of if not the best color combo on a SERG.... :2vrolijk_21:
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2014 CVO Limited with a 110. Bought it with 25K last April. Today I noticed it was at 56,980. Still no issues. Going about 500 miles one way on a trip this weekend :)
In Jan/Feb I decided buying an extended plan would be a good idea, so I did. That'll last for 5 years. Should be ready for a new bike by then.
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2013 with about 18K on it. Opened it up and everything looks great, I wasn't expecting that. I haven't spilt the cases yet that will be tomorrow, but I don't suspect that I will find anything bad in there either. Almost nothing stock is going back in when goes back together. Every time I pull an engine apart that has been run on a steady diet of regular maintenance and synthetic oil I am impressed. I am not saying that is why things look good I just got lucky, but good oil and maintenance didn't hurt.
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All good so far
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2011 SESG 29K and counting
Supetshooter
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2014 CVO Limited with a 110. Bought it with 25K last April. Today I noticed it was at 56,980. Still no issues. Going about 500 miles one way on a trip this weekend :)
In Jan/Feb I decided buying an extended plan would be a good idea, so I did. That'll last for 5 years. Should be ready for a new bike by then.
Having ESP is a great idea on 110s. If you haven't seen the many posts on here about 110 lifters going bad and taking out the whole engine, and the vacation with it, it would be worth it to check out the topic. One bad lifter can ruin your whole day.
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29,000 on my 07, the first year the 110's came out, Only thing I have changed is the Exhaust and installed a Thunder Max.
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My 12 CVO RG has 45000 on her and she never been in too. Hope she keeps going a little longer.
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Haven't touched mine in years. It's in a box :huepfenlol2:
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My 16 just bout to roll 30k, I put some S&S lifters in it at 20k, but it still has morning tickness and same as it was when it’s hot :nixweiss:
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My 16 just bout to roll 30k, I put some S&S lifters in it at 20k, but it still has morning tickness and same as it was when it’s hot :nixweiss:
Lol. Good one.
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Lost front cylinder cam and lifters at about 48,000 miles,
Put in T-Man 555 torque cams and large axel lifters......also hi-vol oil pump, cam support plate, new TTS mastertune and D&D fatcat exhaust
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Lost lifter on 2015 at 26000 miles during Maggie Volley 2018 and 3 days of riding. Learned one thing though if you want anything done other than what they want to do don't take to Ashville HD they did put new long block in bike and its back running but had ask them to work with me on several possible options during the time it was there and was just out right lied to by there service writer and service manage wont follow up on any promises that he make either.
Will however put a better set of lifter in at about 10000 next time and keep better eye on things
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Just traded my ‘11 FLTRUSE with 36k miles for a ‘17 CVO Streetglide. The 114 is night and day different in the power and how it feels. Terrible resale on my 110
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So I believe at some point I posted that I had 30k some odd miles with no issues. Bike starts running like crap the other day at 38k miles and now my bike is in the shop with "there's definitely something floating around in there" diagnosis. Thank GOD for ESP plans! Fix what you want boys... I'll give ya my $50!
Guess I will get my bike back in two to six weeks! Ugh! :( :( :(
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My 2013 cvo Roadking, cam went out on me at 16k.
I just bought the bike used, fortunately I got the extended warranty.
Dealer had 3 other bikes in wit bad cans.
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not such good news. just shy of 50k on 2012 CVO ultra & we have lifter failure, cams & bearings. luckily I bought the esp from Jim Palmer. It expires in Jul 2019. close friend had same issue on 2012 CVO ultra while here in Va also,except his broke valve guides. I'm thankful I have ESP. 2 rear cylinder base gaskets,alternator,radio head,4 Ipod wire harness, now this along with seal on shifter linkage out of tranny & heated grips.
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Sorry to hear the rotten new neighbor but at 50k, you've done well and the esp will take care of you. Just in time for warm weather hopefully.
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65K and no engine issues. I bought the ESP specifically for the lifter issue. Glad I did now. I hope I never need it for the engine issues, though.
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2008 SERK rear lifter bearing failure at 34,000 miles in 2012 no esp. 2015 SESG rear lifter grenaded and sent rod out the side of the motor at 80 mph 500 miles from home on way back from Sturgis; 33,000 miles. Totally f’d up my iron butt run;). Lucky the oil puking all over me, the bike, and rear tire didn’t bring me down. ESP on this bike (fool me once...) covered it. Took opportunity to go with 117ci kit, 259E cams, Topline Hylift Johnson B2313se lifters, rocker lockers, new compensator and compensaver, high capacity oil pan. Coolant pump replaced at 38,800 miles. The 110 was a dog compared to this build. Hoping for more reliability too. 130hp, 128tq.
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Many of you already know this but figured I should update.
My 14 CVO Ultra took the big LIFTER chit in Maggie Valley last Sept. At 59500 miles.
So there you go they will all do it sooner or later.
Thanks again Joe
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My 2014 CVO Limited had 32k untouched but 32700 complete top end and lower end of motor rebuilt. Lifters rear cylinder flat spot on roller, piston slap. 300 miles into break in at this point. Doing the S&S break in procedure even though my bike has not been upgraded for power and don't need it. I hope it allows longer life next time around. We will see in a couple years.
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these bikes are garbage, im wondering when mine is going to blow up, and I was at the dealer , they was trying to sell me a new bike, i told them none of the bikes appeal to me and that ai was wondering when my lifters and motor is going to blow up. my bike is stock, im not sure of what i want to do next winter but it will prolly have 25 to 30k on it by then, nice distance bike with the ol lady other than that i dont use it at all 4 other bikes i ride
i lost all faith in these new bikes and hate the company now nothing like it was in the late 70's 80's
im done ranting
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57665km....got touched......started by finding scored cam lobes.......and made it all the way through, replacing parts along the way, to the trans for some bearings......$8000....cost me $56....2 weeks left on ESP.....probably gonna extend it.
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57665km....got touched......started by finding scored cam lobes.......and made it all the way through, replacing parts along the way, to the trans for some bearings......$8000....cost me $56....2 weeks left on ESP.....probably gonna extend it.
mine had 44400+miles when it started with lifter noise! six days left on esp!! :2vrolijk_21:
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2015 fltruse with 16,5xx started making noise. It’s at the dealer for lifters, cams bearings and oil pump. Covered by esp. another rider brought his in the next day with almost the same mileage for the the exact problem, except he kept riding his until it grenaded.
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2014 cvo ultra 76,000 miles nothing touched had a 2010 cvo ultra with 61,000 before i traded same thing nothing done how long will they last is the magic question
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07 34,250 miles never been touched
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2012 with 22K with a SE Pro tuner, 2 into 1 V&H pipes....no problems (so far)
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Hello Guys, just wondering how many 110's are stock or maybe stage one modified that are still running well with 25K miles or more on them. I have complained about my lifters ticking at 3 thousand RPM and initially the fifth gear wine. At this point the fifth gear wine seems to be getting less and less Any other engine noises are the same as when it was new. I don't want to take my bike in and have the cam bearings, lifters etc replaced if not needed. I have extended my warranty to 2020 so if the engine goes out I will be covered. For the record my motor runs great except for the lifter noise at 3K. Also I would like to mention that on cold start up the engine is quiet (no lifter noise). I am only at 22k on my 09. I missed a year because of back surgery. Most of my rides are long distance. I drive it locally twice a month just for kicks. All feedback will help me decide if I need to be proactive regarding lifters and cam bearings. Thanks in advance.CAHDBIKER
I had a 2016 with the 110, every 20 to 22 thousand miles I had to replace the lifters. Pretty common with everyone hat I know around here that had 110's. I now have a 117 so not sure how the lifters will be.
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I have a 2010 CVO Ultra that I bought used three years ago, then it had 8,200 miles, now it has 56,000. No engine issues to date.
Kind of reluctant to say that because we have a four day trip this weekend.
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Original owner, just went over 53K miles on stock 2014 CVO Limited; in the shop, lifters failing (caught before catastrophic failure), luckily still covered by ESP. Should I upgrade to 117 (Stage IV bolt in), or go with stock parts? Still have 1.5 years remaining on ESP. Thanks.
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I sure would not go with stock lifters. I would use S&S premium, woods Alpha or such. Maybe even switch to beehive valve springs to lower pressure on lifters.
Going to 117 depends on if you want to keep warranty or not. I would not so HD kit for the 117, many better options for 117 out there.
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I had a lifter fail at 150,000 on 2010 decided to replace with a 120 just past 170,000 now. Looking back I would have replaced the lifters around 100,000 but who knows the future.
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35k on 08 springer, I just had cams and lifters changed out for piece of mind. The chain tensioner had some slight wear besides that all looked good.
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Bumping up for my post.2012 SG. with 25.500.Justa ticking away.Never touched.Runs great.
From reading every post.I bet more issue's happen when you ride h-way for extended trips beyond 150 high rev miles at a steady rate oppose to shorter quickey trips?
After a huge depreciation fallout recently.A sell before fix has to be decided.
Curious on best replacement cam chest kit?
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Bumping up for my post.2012 SG. with 25.500.Justa ticking away.Never touched.Runs great.
From reading every post.I bet more issue's happen when you ride h-way for extended trips beyond 150 high rev miles at a steady rate oppose to shorter quickey trips?
After a huge depreciation fallout recently.A sell before fix has to be decided.
Curious on best replacement cam chest kit?
lifters lifters and lifters. well, maybe, a compensator
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lifters lifters and lifters. well, maybe, a compensator
A compensator? Meaning?
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2008 Springer
65K everything good
Compensator changed for A recall but everything else is OG!
Secret is to Ride Hard! 2 speeds ON and off.
And... Don't f$%*ing try and get more power... you are killing the engine.
I always enjoyed chitting on all the 750 and 1000 bikes on my little CBR600... Skill counts for a lot. On these bikes with the 131 engines installed....
How many inches from the edge of your tires is BRAND NEW?
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A compensator? Meaning?
Some compensators......the 5th one was recently installed.....the forth had only 3000 km on it.
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Some compensators......the 5th one was recently installed.....the forth had only 3000 km on it.
Sorry not the answer I was looking for.This is more better.Guess a 2012 was updated
https://www.hdforums.com/forum/touring-models/752104-newbie-what-is-a-compensator.html
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I have a 2016 streetglide that has no other modification other than what Harley built into it. I bought it at 495 miles. And from the beginning there was noice that sounded a little like piston slap. I have a mechanic that it about the best guy for Harleys in my area. And when I say that, it's not because I'm easy to please. I won't take them to the dealer unless there is no other option. I've never had this bike break. Other than the shift linkage fell apart at the pedal when out on the road. And I've made some pretty good rides on it. The guy I'm talking about went through it and pronounced that it isn't something to worry about. And he'd take it to New York today without hesitation. So, I've been riding it since. My only other issue is the the fobs stopped being recognized. But that happened when it was in the garage. So again, I stopped worrying too much about it and have been riding since. I suppose if it breaks, then I'll be on here complaining about it.
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Badexample, so how many miles are on your 2016 now ?
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Just picked up my 2014 CVO Road King from 35,000 mile service. every things great, no issues, bone stock engine.
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2016 CVO Street Glide with 25,000 miles. It’s decatted with V&H power duals and a sweet dyno tune. No mechanical problems to date.
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2008 FLHTCUSE3, 1920000 km (119000 mi), third engine on order.