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CVO Technical => Trailers / toyhaulers => Topic started by: JCZ on December 09, 2021, 09:32:50 AM
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This time I down sized from the Momentum 376TH, a 42', 20,000 lb. 5th wheel to a Momentum 21G, 25', 9,995 lb. bumper pull toyhauler that's half ton towable.
It's a "used" 2021 model (bank repo) with all the options (built in Onan generator, patio kit, patio awning, Goodyear Endurance upgrade, Rockford Fosgate stereo system upgrade, rear vision camera system with the two side cameras, etc. etc.
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Onan generator....
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The down side was that I had to drive from Tucson to Peru, Indiana to get it.
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Just spent my third night of return trip here at the Elk's Lodge in Las Cruces, New Mexico last night.....
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I spent all day yesterday in Norman, Oklahoma (home base for Performance Trailer Braking) to get the drum brakes replaced with hydraulic disc brakes, heavy duty leaf spring shackles and the MorRyde equalizers for a better, smoother ride and stop in half the distance......especially being pulled with a half ton truck!
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Walk around queen bed is in the deep slide out......
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Inside.....
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Kitchen area......
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The TV/stereo cabinet. This rig came with the two TV upgrade pkg. One TV is in the bedroom.
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It came from the factory with two European recliners however, they were damaged when it was towed from the bank auction to the dealership so they've ordered two new recliners being shipped to the house....
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King size bed above and the two couches also fold in to another king size bed and everything is on an electric track system that raises up to the roof to get the bike in here.
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restroom. And this trailer has three roof vents (bathroom, bedroom and living area) all with fans with wall switches.
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The large mirror in the bedroom is back lighted..... 120v electrical sockets and HDMI ports on both sides of the bed for charging.
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In the evening....
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From one of Grand Design's largest Momentums down to it's smallest Momentum. Now we can get in to any National Park, state park, county park, campground, RV park, road side rest area, etc. etc. And, this little one still has the four seasons pkg! Here's to memories of the big one......
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Very nice! My parents have a 21G that they really enjoy! That will be quite a change from your big one, enjoy and be safe!
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restroom. And this trailer has three roof vents (bathroom, bedroom and living area) all with fans with wall switches.
Very nice package! I noticed you have plenty of leg/knee room in your office which is crucial for us taller guys. :2vrolijk_21:
Well done!
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25', 9,995 lb. bumper pull toyhauler that's half ton towable.
Congrats on your new toyhauler. We went with a 24' RV for the same reasons as you in that it is more national park friendly and to store our ebikes, but needed something to tow our Jeep also. Ended up with a Coachman CrossTrail 22xg, and hope our paths cross sometime.
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Nice trailer JCZ maybe we will see you at a rally.
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Congratulations JC. Nice trailer. Cheers.
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Nice setup. We are looking into getting a Motor Home or Toyhauler in the next 2 years. If motor home I'll get a 4 place bike trailer to pull. Pros and cons to each. Had travel trailer for years when raising our children, would put my fatboy in the bed of the truck.
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Nice setup. We are looking into getting a Motor Home or Toyhauler in the next 2 years. If motor home I'll get a 4 place bike trailer to pull. Pros and cons to each. Had travel trailer for years when raising our children, would put my fatboy in the bed of the truck.
We were full time RVers in a much larger Grand Design Momentum (the Momentum line is Grand Design's toy haulers).....42' with five slide outs. We learned a lot while RVing and one of the things was that with a big RV of any type you are very limited in campgrounds, state parks and national parks and because they have so few of spaces to accommodate the large rigs without reservations far in advance. So we ended up spending the large majority of our time in commercial RV Parks rather than campgrounds, state parks and national parks. This past summer we traveled a little over 11,000 miles with a 22' travel trailer and we didn't make any reservations and was able to stay in campgrounds, state parks and national parks. Also, with the monster RVs you pretty much travel interstate freeways but pulling that travel trailer this past summer we intentionally avoided interstate freeways and traveled two lane back roads, county and state highways instead.
Another thing to consider if you go with a motorhome and pull a trailer with motorcycle(s) in it.......you are limited to good weather when you're set up some place. If it's raining you're not going to want to ride to go sightseeing, grocery shopping, etc. etc. With a 5th wheel toy hauler you do have the truck to run around in when it's bad weather.
Attached is the toyhauler that we were full time RVers in. It's great to have all that room when you're in one location for a period of time but not great when you're moving from point A to point B. However, we now have enough experience to know that the 25' Momentum that we just bought will work better for us and the kind of traveling that we do.
Just some things to think about and consider.
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Nice looking trailer. How is it pulling 9,995lbs with a 1/2 ton truck? We are looking at the grey wolf 26mbrr to put both our street glides in and all in trailer would be 7,500 to 8,000lbs, and I am concerned about pulling it with our 1/2 ton Silverado.
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Nice looking trailer. How is it pulling 9,995lbs with a 1/2 ton truck? We are looking at the grey wolf 26mbrr to put both our street glides in and all in trailer would be 7,500 to 8,000lbs, and I am concerned about pulling it with our 1/2 ton Silverado.
9,995 lbs is the GVWR. It has a dry weight of 6,400 lbs. I expect to be somewhere in the 8,500 lb. range. My trucks towing capacity with the 3.5L Ecoboost, Longbed, the Ford Max Tow Pkg., 4x4 and 3:55 rear end is 11,604 lbs. I just pulled it from Peru, Indiana to Tucson, Az. without any issues. I did stop at Performance Trailer Braking in Norman, Oklahoma and had Preston put disc brakes, heavy duty shackles and the MorRyde equalizers on it.
3.5L EcoBoost 3.15 15,500 —/— 10,600/— —/— —/— —/— —/—
15,800 —/— —/— 10,700/— —/— 10,600/— —/—
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3.31 15,800 —/— —/10,700 —/— —/— —/— —/—
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3.55 15,800 —/— —/10,700 —/— —/— —/— —/—
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17,000 —/— —/— —/— —/— 11,8004/— —/—
17,100 —/— 12,2004/12,0004 12,0004/11,7004 11,8004/11,6004 —/— 11,9004/11,6004
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Nice looking trailer. How is it pulling 9,995lbs with a 1/2 ton truck? We are looking at the grey wolf 26mbrr to put both our street glides in and all in trailer would be 7,500 to 8,000lbs, and I am concerned about pulling it with our 1/2 ton Silverado.
5.3L or 6.0L engine? I've got enough experience with the 5.3 to say if you're staying on flat ground, you'll be okay but wishing for more engine. No experience on the 6.0L to comment. I'd make sure you have a trans cooler no matter what. GM doesn't seem to think they're needed on their 1500 series trucks.
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I do completely understand what you are saying about the motorhome and a bike trail, being limited to nice days. We are mainly looking at using for 3 months in the winter, staying a few weeks in one spot, moving and few weeks in another and so on. May do a couple two to three week trips during summer. Really wanting 33 to 36 foot if we go this route.
I have looked at fifth wheel toy haulers. They have just got so dang big. You start limiting a lot once you go over 36 foot. Some places even 36 is too long, when towing with a crew cab dually.
We plan to attend the RV super show in Tampa this winter.
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Nice trailer JCZ maybe we will see you at a rally.
We plan to be in Quartzsite again, in Jan for the big tent RV show (see photo)......the largest gathering of RVs in the world. We'll also be at the Grand Design Tucson Rally in the spring.
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I do completely understand what you are saying about the motorhome and a bike trail, being limited to nice days. We are mainly looking at using for 3 months in the winter, staying a few weeks in one spot, moving and few weeks in another and so on. May do a couple two to three week trips during summer. Really wanting 33 to 36 foot if we go this route.
I have looked at fifth wheel toy haulers. They have just got so dang big. You start limiting a lot once you go over 36 foot. Some places even 36 is too long, when towing with a crew cab dually.
We plan to attend the RV super show in Tampa this winter.
We're very familiar with winter camping. We spent a winter in Colorado back when we were full time RVers. That's a whole different ball game.....
Most National Parks and many state parks are limited to 35' however, it's still hard to find any spaces available without reserving nine months or a year in advance.
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5.3L or 6.0L engine? I've got enough experience with the 5.3 to say if you're staying on flat ground, you'll be okay but wishing for more engine. No experience on the 6.0L to comment. I'd make sure you have a trans cooler no matter what. GM doesn't seem to think they're needed on their 1500 series trucks.
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It’s the 5.3. I have a max tow rating of 9,600lbs. It does have a trans cooler and I added a brake controller. Has for payload I would have to double check the sticker. JC do you have a website for the brake upgrades you did to the trailer?
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We're very familiar with winter camping. We spent a winter in Colorado back when we were full time RVers. That's a whole different ball game.....
Most National Parks and many state parks are limited to 35' however, it's still hard to find any spaces available without reserving nine months or a year in advance.
I have done winter camping like that. However I was not clear, by winter camping I meant leaving TN in Dec or Jan and going to TX/AZ/NM for a few months. That said what ever route I go a want a very well insulated 4-season unit
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It’s the 5.3. I have a max tow rating of 9,600lbs. It does have a trans cooler and I added a brake controller. Has for payload I would have to double check the sticker. JC do you have a website for the brake upgrades you did to the trailer?
Performance Trailer Braking is based in Norman, Oklahoma. However, Michael and Kelly have installers all over the nation. Give Kelly a call and tell them that you were referred by JC Mooney......they know who I am.
https://performancetrailerbraking.com/
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I have done winter camping like that. However I was not clear, by winter camping I meant leaving TN in Dec or Jan and going to TX/AZ/NM for a few months. That said what ever route I go a want a very well insulated 4-season unit
LOL.....that's referred to as "snow birding".....and a few hundred thousand do it every winter. That's why all the RV parks in Florida, Texas and Arizona are full every winter. The population here in Tucson doubles in the winter due to all the snow birders. And that's how we ended up buying here. We spent a winter here in an RV park and came back the following winter and bought a small home in a Del Webb community (age restricted 55+). We still RV all summer, all over the nation. Just know that this life style is addicting if you're retired. :P
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Nice change, wish you well with it.
I don't see my wife wanting to downsize from our 42' DRV yet. We have just got to comfortable with all the room and luxuries, especially the 1.5 baths.
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LOL.....that's referred to as "snow birding".....and a few hundred thousand do it every winter. That's why all the RV parks in Florida, Texas and Arizona are full every winter. The population here in Tucson doubles in the winter due to all the snow birders. And that's how we ended up buying here. We spent a winter here in an RV park and came back the following winter and bought a small home in a Del Webb community (age restricted 55+). We still RV all summer, all over the nation. Just know that this life style is addicting if you're retired. :P
I knew it was called snow birding, just kind of had a brain fart. I could easily full time. My wife on the other hand she wants no part of it. I know FL is packed with Snow Birds. Was stationed there when Active duty, and best time of year to RV, the parks were full. Say a 50 mile Radius of Tuscon is one of the areas we would like to stay a few weeks. So how far our to you have to reserve RV parks or campgrounds for Jan, Feb or March in the TX, AZ and NM? Would really like a few weeks in one park and move to another.
Summer we still plan to take two or three two week trips a year on the motorcycles. I also like being home as we live on the Watts Bar Lake, part of the TN river system. If I had a big enough boat I could go to the Gulf of Mexico by water.
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Dave,
We did 2 1/2 months in Gulf shores Alabama winter 2019, got lucky with the site and haven’t been able to get back.
With all the RV’s and boats bought in the virus panic it has gotten increasingly harder to find reasonable winter sites. Lots we were looking to purchase in 2018-19 have gone up 50% or more.
Many of the more desirable FLA sites not only jumped in price but many are now at a 4-6 month minimum- and they are getting it.
We have snowbird’ last and this winter at our home in Delaware.
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Dave,
We did 2 1/2 months in Gulf shores Alabama winter 2019, got lucky with the site and haven’t been able to get back.
With all the RV’s and boats bought in the virus panic it has gotten increasingly harder to find reasonable winter sites. Lots we were looking to purchase in 2018-19 have gone up 50% or more.
Many of the more desirable FLA sites not only jumped in price but many are now at a 4-6 month minimum- and they are getting it.
We have snowbird’ last and this winter at our home in Delaware.
I was afraid you were going to say that. RV prices have gone up crazy. Units I was interested in end of 2019 beginning of 2020 have gone way up, a 240K motorhome is now 310K or more MSRP if you can get one. They were taking close to 20% off in 2019 and now they take nothing off. Makes sense camp sites are the same. That sure hurst the wallet.
I really do not like the 4 to 6 month stay. I'm wanting much shorter like 3 or 4 weeks max. Not big on FL, as we have seen most of it many times.
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I really do not like the 4 to 6 month stay. I'm wanting much shorter like 3 or 4 weeks max. Not big on FL, as we have seen most of it many times.
The Florida thing is for wintering. The nicer parks in the Fort Myers area are $3-4K a month with the 4-6 month minimum, plus electric - if you can get it.
Even with most of Canada blocked last year with border crossings it was still hard to find a spot if you want to be anywhere near the water.
Our trailer is a DRV, for the past 5-6 months if you placed an order there was no firm price and the contract stipulated a potential 5-6% increase per month until delivery. And those deliveries are between 6-8 months. We ordered our at the Hershey 09/2017 and picked it up around Memorial Day 2018.
I was ready to trade it on on a DP last year and had Hershey happened we probably would have. But not now.
It's not much different with boats and finding slips. We are fortunate enough to have our dock but if we didn't I'd be trailering all the time.