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128 upgrade 2020 CVO Street Glide
« on: May 13, 2020, 10:59:48 PM »

I Just picked up a 2020 CVO Street Glide in Sand dune. I’m loving the smoother idle, mechanical quietness and Smooth power delivery but missing my 117 twin cams 125 HP and TQ so I opted to upgrade to a Fuel Moto 128 big bore kit. We are looking at the 10.75 to 1 compression kit With stock heads and throttle body adding a Fuel Moto Jackpot head pipe, Fullsac 2.25 baffles, Dyno Jet Power Commander with a Fuel Moto map and auto tune and a new cam developed by Woods and Fuel Moto. The cam is either a 22E or 22XE that is brand new and just being released from testing. According to fuel Moto it makes better TQ then the 22X and gives a very smooth power delivery. My goal is strong roll on power and effortless acceleration while still pulling from way down low and smoothly. Any thoughts on this set up? I love my 117’s top end pull but it is not as smooth or happy under 2750 To 3000 RPM as I want for relaxed riding. it’s also very sensitive to throttle inputs and is very jerky when making small throttle movements.
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Re: 128 upgrade 2020 CVO Street Glide
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2020, 10:37:12 AM »

Sounds like a decent build... Keep us updated... Did you even consider the H-D 131 kit??
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Re: 128 upgrade 2020 CVO Street Glide
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2020, 12:10:47 AM »

Yes I did, but I wanted more sound and $$ for $$ way more options after market. 3 cubic inches is minimal. I want the higher low end TQ and sound of non catted header.
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Re: 128 upgrade 2020 CVO Street Glide
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2020, 06:27:45 AM »

I do not know anything about Fuel Moto's / Woods new cams.  I do know lots of people are happy with Fuel Moto kits and results.  You should be able to see in the 130's for torque with stock heads and throttle body.  Compression has a lot of effect on the Torque, is that his low compression Kit?  The M8 will easily handle more compression than that.

To me the shape of the torque curve, where it start and how big the area under it is more important than peak numbers.  Does Fuel Moto have any dyno runs with these new cams?  I like torque to come on strong by 2300 rpm or so and hold good and flat until at least 4000 rpm or more.  I prefer peak torque around 3500 rpm. 

I understand not doing the 131 kit, there are pros and cons to both ways.  I did a 130 on my CVO RG, not a kit.
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Re: 128 upgrade 2020 CVO Street Glide
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2020, 07:02:47 AM »

They show a peak of 142 TQ with the 22X cam in this configuration and the XE is suppose to be stronger. It’s making 125 ish TQ at 2000 rpm quickly climbing to over 140 by 3000 RPM and pulls HP up to about 5000 RPM then levels off.  My current twin cam 117 comes on later and pulls more HP but I think I’m going to like the roll on power of this set up more.
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Re: 128 upgrade 2020 CVO Street Glide
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2020, 10:44:39 PM »

I was just asking about the H-D 131 kit.. I went aftermarket 128 with headwork and I’m very happy with my setup...Lots of great choices for the M8 platform...
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Re: 128 upgrade 2020 CVO Street Glide
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2020, 06:38:14 AM »

They show a peak of 142 TQ with the 22X cam in this configuration and the XE is suppose to be stronger. It’s making 125 ish TQ at 2000 rpm quickly climbing to over 140 by 3000 RPM and pulls HP up to about 5000 RPM then levels off.  My current twin cam 117 comes on later and pulls more HP but I think I’m going to like the roll on power of this set up more.

Just looked art 3 different builds using the 22x and stock heads and TB with 10.75 compression.  Nice torque curve, comes on early and long and flat. 
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Re: 128 upgrade 2020 CVO Street Glide
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2020, 03:07:35 PM »

Yes it does. I called Fuel Moto and got info on the 22X-E and it’s suppose to be very similar down low but pull HP to 5500 RPM! Sounds like a winner for sure.
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Re: 128 upgrade 2020 CVO Street Glide
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2020, 04:26:31 PM »

I Just picked up a 2020 CVO Street Glide in Sand dune. I’m loving the smoother idle, mechanical quietness and Smooth power delivery but missing my 117 twin cams 125 HP and TQ so I opted to upgrade to a Fuel Moto 128 big bore kit. We are looking at the 10.75 to 1 compression kit With stock heads and throttle body adding a Fuel Moto Jackpot head pipe, Fullsac 2.25 baffles, Dyno Jet Power Commander with a Fuel Moto map and auto tune and a new cam developed by Woods and Fuel Moto. The cam is either a 22E or 22XE that is brand new and just being released from testing. According to fuel Moto it makes better TQ then the 22X and gives a very smooth power delivery. My goal is strong roll on power and effortless acceleration while still pulling from way down low and smoothly. Any thoughts on this set up? I love my 117’s top end pull but it is not as smooth or happy under 2750 To 3000 RPM as I want for relaxed riding. it’s also very sensitive to throttle inputs and is very jerky when making small throttle movements.

I have a 2019 CVO Street Glide that I put the Stage III with SE498 Cam, K&N A/C, 4.5" Street Cannon's, Fuelmoto (Jackpot) 2/1/2 headers w/baffle in, Thundermax tuner. This cam pulls really well and runs through town very easy. I would recommend this build without hesitation. I did speak to Fuelmoto for recommendations on a cam and they suggested the 222. If someone can show me a graph that shows a similar rate of pull but more obviously, I'd get that cam but right now I don't dare to touch it.

The dyno results are after a SEPST w/autotune (wide-band) as the first and low pull with the speed limiter still enabled so couldn't get a full pull. The rest are after changing this to the Thundermax. The tune isn't very steady but I think now after I have 1100 miles on it, that graph will be pretty good. If you ping me I'll repost the new one but I have to get time with the tuner and that's hard right now.

Dyno results are as you all know speculative and I think this feels like more than what is listed.
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Re: 128 upgrade 2020 CVO Street Glide
« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2020, 10:19:26 PM »

That is one seriously odd looking dyno sheet. Not the numbers but the configuration. Is this a 128 build or a 117 with a cam? My goal is high low end TQ that ramps up slow and carries HP to 5500ish rpm.
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Re: 128 upgrade 2020 CVO Street Glide
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2020, 01:40:16 PM »

This is a 117ci Stage 3 with the first pull being with a Screaming Eagle  Pro Street Tuner and Autotune.  The rest were after the same build, just replaced the SE PST with a Thundermax. Please give me some more feedback as to what your speaking to as I'm interested to hear.

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Re: 128 upgrade 2020 CVO Street Glide
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2020, 04:51:56 PM »

The dyno sheet reads different numbers for the TQ and HP when you follow the line across. Left side is 120 right side is 125 on the same line for example. As far as the actual numbers go you have a very big TQ dip in the cruising range just over 2000 RPM and very low low end TQ numbers for a 117. My guess is your exhaust is hurting you and or the cam. Take a look at The dyno sheets on Fuel motto’s website. I’m looking more for the smooth Flat line TQ That pulls everywhere. Your build is more off a high end HP build.
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Re: 128 upgrade 2020 CVO Street Glide
« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2020, 06:39:54 AM »

Yea I did see that drop and to be honest, the shaky line concerned me more than the dip but I did see that as well. The Cam in here is HD Torque cam 498 and agree that down under 2500 it loses but when I need to do something I always downshift anyway but I am looking for another cam. I was thinking maybe the S&S 475 or Red Shift 468. Maybe this new Woods 22x-e cam.

My bike regardless of the sheet pulls right to redline. It's waiting to have the Autotune pushed to the base map and a dyno run completed. I'll know more then and I'll post. I haven't seen any Stage 3 builds on FuelMoto site to compare what I have too though.
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Re: 128 upgrade 2020 CVO Street Glide
« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2020, 10:15:31 AM »

The SS 475 cam can be tricky to tune, but runs great if you can... The RS 468 is the way I would go with your above build... Just an awesome all around cam...
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Re: 128 upgrade 2020 CVO Street Glide
« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2020, 01:18:10 PM »

Any thoughts on the 22XE cam from Woods that Fuelmoto has in comparison to the RS 468? I'd like to eliminate that immediate dip in torque and have a higher overall torque gain. Not sure if I can get another 5 HP out of this or not, but I see 114ci bikes without the Stage 3 getting my results.

Does anyone really know other than compression, what the differences are with the stock 117 cyl and the stage 3 cylinders? Like if I got some 11.1 pistons, and have the same cam etc. what's the diff? Why did I have to spend $3k?
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