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Re: What Harley Should Have Done
« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2020, 11:57:51 PM »

By the way Tesla has never made a real profit if you read the financial report. That why they are not in the S & P 500. Read the one from the last quarter they counted future tax credits as Realized income.


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Re: What Harley Should Have Done
« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2020, 12:44:57 AM »

For the record, I have ridden a Livewire. My next door neighbor bought one. Sitting on it is like sitting on a Sportster. Feels tiny to me. But..... When I twisted the throttle...holy s#!t. That thing is quick. And that was not even in the performance mode. He warned me to hang on to the bars because it would feel like you were trying to get up on a slalom waterski. Now It would not be my only bike, but it was a blast to ride. I have NEVER ridden a bike that was that quick off the line. But 70-100 miles and you are looking for a charging station. It is one of the 1st 500 sold.
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Re: What Harley Should Have Done
« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2020, 09:16:57 AM »

Is Harley Davidson dumb?  I don’t know, but many are perplexed by decisions the MoCo has developing a $30k electric motorcycle that’s not going to sell because it’s too expensive, has limited range, and isn't cost competitive with other electric offerings.  It may be the best in its class, but if it’s unaffordable to the target audience, we know how that’ll turn out.

Nobody I know.  I do know of a couple of HD owners who were "definitely going to buy a Livewire" but when they saw the price vs the competition they changed their mind.

I did a HD event in NYC of the pre-production Livewire's in 2014. Was an awesome ride.

All the test riders were offered a chance for a sit down with the the HD reps for opinions etc.

By a very large percentage most of us had the same opinions - Keep the price at the $20K mark and get the run time up to at least 100 miles, preferably 120-130 miles.
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Re: What Harley Should Have Done
« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2020, 02:32:30 PM »

One of my friends bought one and absolutely loves it. It is far from his only motorcycle but says it so much fun and renews his faith in the motorcycle platform. I wish Harley luck with this project.


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Re: What Harley Should Have Done
« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2021, 04:02:04 PM »

I don't understand all the hate toward the LiveWire either, I was lucky enough to ride one off the pre-production bikes in 2014 and i've ridden the production version in '19 and '20. Harley produced it as a 'Halo" product much like the CVO bikes are. The comparison tests between the Zero and the LiveWire all show that the H-D is a far better EV than the Zero, so u get what you pay for. Everyone who's talking sh!t needs to go ride one so you can have an EDUCATED opinion, besides it's a blast to ride and I'll guarantee quicker/faster than ANY / Most of your CVO's. 0-60 in the 3 sec range. Range obviously depends on how you ride it. It has a power level adjustment that goes from 0-100% power, it can be dialed down if you don't want someone to have access to 100% power.
   Me, personally, I think H-D screwed themselves on the pricing. If it was sub $25K they wouldn't be languishing in dealerships. I think they should have priced them at a near break even proposition and put them in as many hands as possible, exposing new buyers to the H-D family. $30K is a lot of money. I'm presently scaring up the money for an old air-cooled 911 Carrera, then after that, it's a wrecked project '18 Road King Special. Once i get those, I'm going to seriously look into a LiveWire as a urban commuter bike, I live in an area with many many many places to charge EV's and the 100-145 mile range would be just fine. It's not a touring bike and will never be one, but it's damn fun to ride. GO RIDE ONE, then report back.
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Re: What Harley Should Have Done
« Reply #20 on: June 15, 2021, 10:32:10 AM »

Actually this is the second go round for Polaris "teaming up" with electric manufacturers as they did with Brammo. I for one am glad HD developed their own electric bike as it is generally considered the best in class currently. Sales does not determine the best platform. At least HD is original while Polaris reminds me of the Chinese corporate mentality. For the life of me I do not understand why this forum has become a Harley haters trolling ground. No one forces anyone to buy a product from HD. If someone does not like a company, why not simple buy a product you do like. It is interesting that so many feel they are the corporate wizards that have the magic formula for HDs success if they would only listen. No company of HDs size is easy. What is the magic formula for the magazine industry. Markets give significant challenges.
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