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[cigarmike]

And you are one of the lucky ones, because I know others that have, not to mention the numerous other problems related to these motors.  It seems as if there are many more problems with these 110's than they had with the 103's when they first came out with them.  If your 110 is problem free, as many are, I say count your blessings. JMHO too.

Amen to that, I really hate to say this, and I hope Im wrong, but I think we have only seen the tip of the iceberg with the 110's as far as engine issues go. Who knows how these will do when they hit 20k, or 30k etc. and the warrantys are expired. My buddys a wrench at an L.A. dealership, he says, and I quote " The 110's are a p.o.s., MoCo really f-up, ed', and they know it. But its good for me, means lots of work"  btw, he's the guy with the least amount of senority in the service dept. And we all know how MoCo steps up when there is a potential problem that may mean lots of $$ fixing it. lol, oh wait, no they don't. They will keep pumping these out the factory door as fast as they can sell them and denie there is a problem. Again, thats just his opinion, and I really hope that he is wrong. Im also glad i didnt get rid of my '06 with the paint problem now, and get that '07 I was close to getting when the B&O first came out. GL guys.

[RedDevil]

Amen to that, I really hate to say this, and I hope Im wrong, but I think we have only seen the tip of the iceberg with the 110's as far as engine issues go. Who knows how these will do when they hit 20k, or 30k etc. and the warrantys are expired. My buddys a wrench at an L.A. dealership, he says, and I quote " The 110's are a p.o.s., MoCo really f-up, ed', and they know it. But its good for me, means lots of work"  btw, he's the guy with the least amount of senority in the service dept. And we all know how MoCo steps up when there is a potential problem that may mean lots of $$ fixing it. lol, oh wait, no they don't. They will keep pumping these out the factory door as fast as they can sell them and denie there is a problem. Again, thats just his opinion, and I really hope that he is wrong. Im also glad i didnt get rid of my '06 with the paint problem now, and get that '07 I was close to getting when the B&O first came out. GL guys.

I think, like any new line of product, there are going to be issues.  Every company likes to get their "latest and greatest" out to the buying public as soon as they can.  If they, the MoCo, had R&D'd this engine to the point of knowing all the failure points or potential problems, we may have seen it in another 5 or six years.  Unfortunately, in order for the MoCo to keep up with the "bigger is better" attitude that seems to be coming out of Japan, they have to put their product out sooner to keep up with the Jones'.  It's all about bottom line and the MoCo will, in their own way, be that bad or good, address the issues that come up with this new line.   I went into buying this bike knowing that I was getting a "first year" model, mainly because I wanted an Ultra and figured this would be the last year of the CVO Ultra for probably another 4 years.  So, unfortunately, just like when I buy a first year model of a car or truck, I expect problems to crop up...another reason why I got the extended service contract on my CVO too.  It was/is a chance I'm willing to take to get the bike I wanted.
Cheers ,
 

[Hoist!]

If you love Harleys and plan on keeping the bike, it's not the "end all" if there are issues. HD will make good on defects if caught early enough, and there's nothing on this bike that can't be made better than new. Having owned Harleys for many years, I've spent more money on them than I'd like to admit. You do what you have to do to be happy with your bike. It's not a hobby to me, it's my life! I've been used to the HD Ownership Experience for quite some time. This isn't the first time for issues on a new release. If you're looking for a completely trouble-free bike (with no soul whatsoever) buy a Jap Bike or a BMW! You buy a Harley, you buy the idiosyncrasies that go with it! Hoist!

[Chief]

It's interesting how we're talking about POS motors again. I think that is the kind of talk I was hearing in 1999 when the Twin Cam first came out. Anyone remember all the bitching and moaning about how the MoCo put out such a POS motor with exploding rear cam bearings? The 110 is no different. The 103 didn't have "first year itis" because it wasn't a new motor, just a stroked 95". Unless these things start grenading right and left, the weak points will be found and addressed and then we should have another dependable platform.

Problems, sure they suck, but it's all part of the game. If you don't want problems, go buy a Gold Wing.

[SBB]

go buy a Gold Wing.

1800 Wing

104    RWHP
109.9 Torque
898 lbs.

If I wanted to go slow I might consider one.
Alright, I have considered.
No wing for me.
Go fast or go home!

[RedDevil]

It's interesting how we're talking about POS motors again. I think that is the kind of talk I was hearing in 1999 when the Twin Cam first came out. Anyone remember all the bitching and moaning about how the MoCo put out such a POS motor with exploding rear cam bearings? The 110 is no different. The 103 didn't have "first year itis" because it wasn't a new motor, just a stroked 95". Unless these things start grenading right and left, the weak points will be found and addressed and then we should have another dependable platform.

Problems, sure they suck, but it's all part of the game. If you don't want problems, go buy a Gold Wing.

Had a Wing....had problems.  Nothing is immune from problems. Actually, I had more problems with my Wing, then I ever had with any Harley I've ever owned....even my '80 AMF "Bowling-Ball" Sporty.
Cheers ,
 

[SCRM-R]

If you love Harleys and plan on keeping the bike, it's not the "end all" if there are issues. HD will make good on defects if caught early enough, and there's nothing on this bike that can't be made better than new. Having owned Harleys for many years, I've spent more money on them than I'd like to admit. You do what you have to do to be happy with your bike. It's not a hobby to me, it's my life! I've been used to the HD Ownership Experience for quite some time. This isn't the first time for issues on a new release. If you're looking for a completely trouble-free bike (with no soul whatsoever) buy a Jap Bike or a BMW! You buy a Harley, you buy the idiosyncrasies that go with it! Hoist!

id·i·o·syn·cra·sy –noun, plural -sies.
1. a characteristic, habit, mannerism, or the like, that is peculiar to an individual. 
2. the physical constitution peculiar to an individual

Idiosyncrasies?  I would consider most of the problems experienced with the 110's as more than idiosyncrasies.  It seems that the ones that give trouble, give LOTS of trouble.  Tell the guy whose motor locked up, dumped him and totaled his bike that it was due to an idiosyncrasy in the motor.  More like an idiot-syncrasy from the moco for releasing these motors, and continuing to release them with numerous known problems.  They are by most accounts POS motors, folks are spending big bucks getting them to run right and keeping them running, and I for one am glad that I don't own one.   O.K., I'm off it now.

[iski]

1800 Wing

104    RWHP
109.9 Torque
898 lbs.

If I wanted to go slow I might consider one.
Alright, I have considered.
No wing for me.
Go fast or go home!

Plus they look like a Gold Wing, and that's even worse than heavy/slow.

[Hoist!]

id·i·o·syn·cra·sy –noun, plural -sies.
1. a characteristic, habit, mannerism, or the like, that is peculiar to an individual. 
2. the physical constitution peculiar to an individual

Idiosyncrasies?  I would consider most of the problems experienced with the 110's as more than idiosyncrasies.  It seems that the ones that give trouble, give LOTS of trouble.  Tell the guy whose motor locked up, dumped him and totaled his bike that it was due to an idiosyncrasy in the motor.  More like an idiot-syncrasy from the moco for releasing these motors, and continuing to release them with numerous known problems.  They are by most accounts POS motors, folks are spending big bucks getting them to run right and keeping them running, and I for one am glad that I don't own one.   O.K., I'm off it now.

Well let's see. The shovelheads were considered POS. Hmmm, they were around many years, with their inferior quality control, and Harley guys stayed loyal. They're still on the road. Early Evo's, porous cases, bad cams, spun bearings. The Evo was the best motor they built at that time. They still replace bad cases from older Evo's today. TC 88, bad cam bearing design, leaned out carb models that spit and coughed better than they ran. Became the most reliable motor ever. Bad 110" bikes, motors replaced. Bad starter ring gears, entire clutch assembly replaced.

I work for a major Air Conditioning manufacturer. Design a new product and get it on the streets. If it's not right, we'll fix it in the field. That's Corporate America today. Shareholders come first! Increase revenue, growth, higher profits. This is what drives these corporations, not making sure they have the absolute best, most reliable product. How a company deals with their issues, determines how they're judged and where their market share goes. Brand name loyalty has a role in this too. HD has about the highest brand loyalty that you can ask for. Don't think for a minute they don't know that. Do they take advantage of it? Damn straight. Do they test our patience and push us to the brink? Yeah, they sure seem to do that too. Do they eventually make good? IMO, yes they do. There will aways be folks that slip thru the cracks, and can't get satisfaction. They lose these customers. But the loyal ones stick with it and eventually get satisfaction.

A Harley is a labor of love and a passion. Do we put up with more than most would for other products. You bet your ass! Why? Cause we have that passion and HD knows it. Will it stop us or prevent us from buying another one. Some people yes, most people no. It depends on that level of passion you have. POS, I say not! This ain't no rocket ship! Anything on the bike can be replaced with stronger, better chit. It's a motorcycle. Relatively simple stuff. We have a fantastic site, with many brilliant people participating. We find out everything there is to know about these bikes. We know more than most dealers do about our bikes. If you're looking for a completely trouble-free ownership experience, don't buy a Harley. Would I buy anything else? F NO!!!

Yep, idiosyncrasies! That's what I call it, I stand by it, and am willing to deal with it!

Hoist!

[ultrafxr]

My $.02 - even though things are not perfect they are so VERY much better than they were that there is no comparison.  Not only our Harleys but our cages.  Just look at the absolute crap Detroit and yes many of the foreign brands were putting out not all that long ago.  Sure you cannot catch every single possible contingency during development but the quality is much, much better than it has ever been.  jmho