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[stillsoldier4christ]

Just curious. With all of the major players out there, such as V&H, RSD, Rinehart, Cobra, Crusher, Bassani, etc. etc. etc. Why is it that Fullsac is now, all of a sudden, "the best on the market?" Is it just the most current fad? I had never even heard of Fullsac until I got on this and RoadGlide.org forums a few days ago. So, why all the fuss? Why is Fullsac "so great!" compared to all of the other major brands that also claim to have the "best" exhaust system? Thanks!!!

[Enigmatic]

well for me, it was the best bang for the buck. I also wanted keep my bike looking stock but running better at the time. And it's hard to beat being able to recore your own mufflers for almost any sound or performance you want, anytime you want, for way less $$$ than anything short of eBay knockoffs. I want D&D but didn't have the funds. I thought about the V&H with the X pipe(can't remeber model), but 2 of the 3 people I met with it said they'd drug it when they rode hard, so that cancelled it out. But I'm very satisfied with my Fullsac, Bike runs great, sounds good and the owner had no problem helping me with the million questions I asked

[ultrarider123]

I like the idea that you can have a well engineered exhaust header.  It's designed not to efficiently and correctly provide a route for exiting exhaust gasses but also in a manner you can utilized the stock heat shields.  I like the stock look but knowing what is really under those shields...stealth header, if you will.  If you are wondering, no I don't have a Fullsac on my current bike.  I went the route of a de-catted stock header on the '12 SESG.  However, if that had not worked as I wanted, Fullsac was my first and only option.

Read his website and all the testimonials from the many satisfied customers.  He provides a great product and from what I can see on those testimonials, a top-notch customer service experience.  If I was to put aftermarket on my current bike, it would be great to ride it to AZ and have Steve do the work himself at his shop.  Lots of our group have done that.

[muddypaws]

X3

[Scott7d]

For me, it was testimonials on this site and recommendation from my tuner/builder. He showed me dyno graphs with Fullsac/Crushers compared to true duals/RineFarts and other "big name" companies and it was a no brainer. I would have been just fine with the Vance and Hines Power duals, but I couldn't use my laser cut heat shields with them.

Another reason I went with Fullsac is because I like to support the smaller businesses IF they actually have a great product which they do in this case. Steve, the owner, posts on here frequently and has personally taken the time to answer some questions both on forums and through private messenger.

I think people always say what they have is "the best". Maybe for different applications some things work better, and I'm sure similar results can be had even with different companies. The Fullsac/Crusher combo just seemed to fit my needs. I highly recommend it to friends but refrain from calling it "the best" just because it's what I have.

[skratch]

Just curious. With all of the major players out there, such as V&H, RSD, Rinehart, Cobra, Crusher, Bassani, etc. etc. etc. Why is it that Fullsac is now, all of a sudden, "the best on the market?" Is it just the most current fad? I had never even heard of Fullsac until I got on this and RoadGlide.org forums a few days ago. So, why all the fuss? Why is Fullsac "so great!" compared to all of the other major brands that also claim to have the "best" exhaust system? Thanks!!!

it isn't 'now, all of a sudden'.  just because you haven't heard of them before, doesn't mean that they haven't been putting out a quality product for many years.

as far as being 'the best'.  well, that is a subjective call.  what may be the best for me may not be the best for you.  but with fullsac, you can get a great product, at a great price, with great support.

i'm using their sportpipe.  it is basically a stock hd headpipe, with the plenum cut out, and an entirely new plenum welded in.  then ceramic coated inside and out, and brackets for the heatshields welded on.  dynos within a couple of hp of their dx pipe, and with exchange, i paid less than $280.

also using the 2.0 cvo recores.  with the screens.  sounds great, looks stock.

plus they give a forum discount.

[Chief2505]

I couldn't tell you if it is the "best" or not. In my case I didn't really care about having the best. I wanted the stock look, I happen to like the looks of the stock CVO cans. Plus I am cheap! I mostly wanted to get rid of the heat and to add a little bit of sound. The extra power boost was just a bonus!

After spending $37,000 on the bike, I really did not want to spend a few more grand on the exhaust and a tune. At the time when I did my 13 CVO I think the cost was right at $1,100 or so. I felt that price point, and some of my own labor, during the winter, with my bike in my garage made a lot of sense.

[Cat Eye]

1. I am not aware of anyone else that offers a turn-key system, header, baffles and tune that keeps the stock look.

2. The stuff just works great.

3.  Steve is a great guy and runs a service oriented business.

[grc]

The other guys have given you some of the most obvious reasons, but there is another one that needs to be mentioned as well.  When you buy a V&H system for example, can you call up Byron Hines and ask him questions about the pipes and will he help you with the tune?  Steve at Fullsac will and does.  Customer service is every bit as important as engineering/appearance/etc., and I don't think you can beat the customer service at Fullsac.

JMHO - Jerry

[JCZ]

Great question and I'm sure that Steve appreciates it.  Fullsac is the only exhaust system that I know where all the R&D has been put in to the CVOs specifically.  It's plug and play if that's the route you want to go that way. 

I simply wanted to knock the heat down and still keep it on the quieter side (be able to hear my stereo at freeway speeds) and I got that plus improved HP and TQ.  I'm very, very happy with my system and besides, had I not gone with Fullsac, I would not have had an opportunity to meet Moe. 

[Chains]

I was able to call Steve discuss my needs and have my system in hand in a few days. Fit like a glove heat shields and all. Ran smooth and performance was way up. When Steve came up with a improved bracket he sent me one. I doubt if the so called big boys would have even spent time improving something that was selling.

[stillsoldier4christ]

WOW! I guess if you're a Fullsac guy, yer a dang Fullsac guy!! LOL! Thanks for all the input. The thing that has me the most right now is the customer service everyone has talked about. Good customer service is extremely important to me. I may be going to Arizona once my overseas tour is up. Perhaps I will look the guy up, and see what we can do about my 2015 CVO RGU. I dig the stock look. My only thing is, I don't want to damage my stock pipes (re-sale value, plus, just in-case I ever get stationed in an EP nazzi zone again. Germany has some crazy strict laws) by drilling in them or on them or removing components that can't be re-installed. I do want to get rid of the CAT, though. I'm thinking I need to go the whole system route and just keep the stock set in the garage somewhere for just-in-cases. Again, thanks for all the input. Does anybody have before and after dyno graphs and/or stock/Fullsac sound byte comparisons?

[68 XLCH]

Fullsac, posted that they developed a new improved bracket for their system.  They indicated to contact them and they would send the new bracket.

I did and received it 3 days later.

They care about their reputation and they continue to build on theirs by supporting their customers.

[Homer 661]

WOW! I guess if you're a Fullsac guy, yer a dang Fullsac guy!! LOL! Thanks for all the input. The thing that has me the most right now is the customer service everyone has talked about. Good customer service is extremely important to me. I may be going to Arizona once my overseas tour is up. Perhaps I will look the guy up, and see what we can do about my 2015 CVO RGU. I dig the stock look. My only thing is, I don't want to damage my stock pipes (re-sale value, plus, just in-case I ever get stationed in an EP nazzi zone again. Germany has some crazy strict laws) by drilling in them or on them or removing components that can't be re-installed. I do want to get rid of the CAT, though. I'm thinking I need to go the whole system route and just keep the stock set in the garage somewhere for just-in-cases. Again, thanks for all the input. Does anybody have before and after dyno graphs and/or stock/Fullsac sound byte comparisons?

I heard about Fullsac from my tech who suggested their product. Since my son lives in Havasu I was going to pick up the parts and bring them to my tech for install. Then it occured to me, why not just ride over and get it all done in Havasu. I contacted Steve and asked for a tech/dyno refferal. Much to my surprise he said we can do it all here. After making an appointment I was able to hang with Steve while my bike was brought to it's full potential ,100hp 110torque.... Your base run numbers are pitiful.  You pick your muffler core diameter but Steve can input pro's and cons for each size based on your riding style as well as your helmet. I'm very pleased with the $ spent for the finished product. Fullsac customer service is #1!!

[luc.who]

I am running the DX head pipe and Reinhart 4 inch slip ons.  I like the rineharts and wanted to keep my stock slip ons.  Steve has helped me many times with my tuner, support bracket and questions. 

[FLSTFI Dave]

Not new, he had been around awhile when I got my first set up for Fullsac in 09.

Why did I go fullsac, I had read about them but did not get it at first.  When Vance and Hines on my 09 CVO Road Glide, with the hi out put.  Loved the sound.  A well respected tuner did the dyno tune on my bike and told me how bad the Hi-Outputs were killing my torque where you ride.  Showed me the huge dip between 2100 and 2600 RPM. 

Then showed me several CVO tuned with fullsac head pipe and cores.  Much better torque where you ride.   Total cost was 500 to 600 less than vance and hines, and better results where you ride, and really every where on the graph.

So My 09 SERG had Fullsac, my 12 SERG had fullsac, 15 SERGU has fullsac, and my 138 hp, 140 Torque CVO road king has fullsac.

My wife's 11 street glide had fullsac, her 13 Street glide had fullsac and now her 15 Road glide has fullsac.

It works as advertised, for less money than the big names, and much better customer service.

[SOCAL296]

I learned about Fullsac in 2010 and I sent my stock pipe and mufflers to him. He did some work on my stock headpipe and recored a set of cone style stock mufflers for me and it cost me less than $400. shipped and returned to me. Loved the sound and performance improvement but still didn't like the look of the stock EGlide mufflers. Later I picked up a set of CVO cans at a swapmeet for $20 bucks and ordered the 2 inch cores to go in them for $120. I had those on my 09 Electraglide with 103 and 255 cams until I got a wild hair in Sturgis and decided to spend 1200. on a complete Freedom Performance True Dual Exhaust. Want to know which exhaust delivered better performance?? I regretted making that switch. It was unbelievable the amount of torque I lost. Luckily I brought that system back with me. The mufflers are now on my CVO but need a repack. I also have the stock decatted headpipe and waiting for the right person to step up and buy it from me. Contemplated putting it on the CVO but I would need to buy O2 sensors because it is off an 09. Fullsac is the smart way to go.

[Mr D]

Cause the parts work! Steves' DX headpipe... One of the best on the market today 

[JCZ]

Cuz nobody wants to ride with a half sac.   Jusayinzall 

[stillsoldier4christ]

Not new, he had been around awhile when I got my first set up for Fullsac in 09.

Why did I go fullsac, I had read about them but did not get it at first.  When Vance and Hines on my 09 CVO Road Glide, with the hi out put.  Loved the sound.  A well respected tuner did the dyno tune on my bike and told me how bad the Hi-Outputs were killing my torque where you ride.  Showed me the huge dip between 2100 and 2600 RPM. 

Then showed me several CVO tuned with fullsac head pipe and cores.  Much better torque where you ride.   Total cost was 500 to 600 less than vance and hines, and better results where you ride, and really every where on the graph.

So My 09 SERG had Fullsac, my 12 SERG had fullsac, 15 SERGU has fullsac, and my 138 hp, 140 Torque CVO road king has fullsac.

My wife's 11 street glide had fullsac, her 13 Street glide had fullsac and now her 15 Road glide has fullsac.

It works as advertised, for less money than the big names, and much better customer service.

a new bike every two years!!? Sheeesh! What are you, Mafia or something? LOL! No, wait. Nuclear engineer? Nah, just kidding. On the real, though, how did destroying your stock mufflers affect your trade-in/re-sale value? Just curious. I don't know if I will ever get rid of this bike, but just in case, I would like to know what coring out your mufflers does to say, warranty, re-sale, passing inspection, etc. etc. Any problems with any of that? Thank you, sir.

[Fullsac Performance]

 
The CVO community has always been on the sharper side of the scale when it comes to product knowledge. This group also no problem calling BS when performance and service don't meet expectations! Getting the nod from you guys really puts a smile on my face.

Thank You.

Steve George

PS:  M8 107 dyno runs begin today!     

[FLTRCVO]

I personally can't swear by Fullsac I'm a D and D guy, however, I have never heard a single negative comment made about Fullsac Systems they sure sound sweet and they are definitely nice on the wallet.

[VaEagle]

On the real, though, how did destroying your stock mufflers affect your trade-in/re-sale value? Just curious. I don't know if I will ever get rid of this bike, but just in case, I would like to know what coring out your mufflers does to say, warranty, re-sale, passing inspection, etc. etc. Any problems with any of that? Thank you, sir.

There are many threads discussing resale or trade values of a used Harley and most agree that the days of getting what you payed for (or more) for your bike are over. The only way I see to get high resale would be to buy a pristine bike and keep it in temp controlled storage with as close to zero miles as possible with no mods. That way it may be museum quality part of history and one of the few bikes that were left stock. Most of us can't afford to do that economically or emotionally.
In general almost every Harley has some form of modification to it by the owner and also comes with wear and tear. So in turn most owners have their Harley for the joy of riding and don't really worry about resale since ownership is not about the financial investment.
The Magnusson -Moss Warranty Act protects owners in the US with the idea that any mod to a vehicle has to be the direct cause of a failure to deny warranty coverage unless specifically spelled out in the original contract. (Have to read the fine print.)
As far as passing inspections, that all depends on state or local laws since many states don't do smog or noise inspections. So any aftermarket exhaust is OK  in those areas. But if the area you live in has inspections for pollution (pollutants or sound) you might not pass with aftermarket mods.

[Rooster]

At the least if they start looking for the Stamp on the outer cans during traffic stops they will still be there and might keep you from further investigation. And I really have heard nothing but praise for the Full Sac products.

[ultrarider123]

At the least if they start looking for the Stamp on the outer cans during traffic stops they will still be there and might keep you from further investigation. And I really have heard nothing but praise for the Full Sac products.

That would be benefit number 2 of the Fullsac option...

[FLSTFI Dave]

a new bike every two years!!? Sheeesh! What are you, Mafia or something? LOL! No, wait. Nuclear engineer? Nah, just kidding. On the real, though, how did destroying your stock mufflers affect your trade-in/re-sale value? Just curious. I don't know if I will ever get rid of this bike, but just in case, I would like to know what coring out your mufflers does to say, warranty, re-sale, passing inspection, etc. etc. Any problems with any of that? Thank you, sir.

Retired Navy, and work full time.  I average over 20K a year on my CVO Road Glides, so I try to trade before they have 45K on them.  The fullsac has never hurt my trade, it looks all stock but sounds better.  I have asked the dealer if he wanted to put the exhaust from new CVO on the bike I was trading and he said no.  I have never had an issue with warranty doing this either.  Then again my dealer is very reasonable.  No inspections where I live, but the pipes look 100% stock and all the stamps are on them.

I have done pretty well in trade so far.  Not so sure I will do so well when I trade the 15, the value has dropped much faster than it did on my 09 and my 12.

Did not plan on doing the every two years, but when our kids moved out we started riding a lot.  When I went to trade my wife's 3.5 year old heritage with 80K on it, the dealer wouldn't give me much at all for it.  Pretty much said trade before 45K or keep the bike if it has over 50K.

[stillsoldier4christ]

Retired Navy Pretty much said trade before 45K or keep the bike if it has over 50K.

Thank you for your service, sir. I am considering pushing the button myself. It is definitely an internal struggle. It's just not the same Air Force (or military in general) that I literally grew up in. I'm not sure if the stress and long hours are worth staying any longer simply to get the extra percentage and maybe another stripe. I'm at the point, now where that is my only reason to hanging on. And, I think, that is when you know it is time to pull the ejection handle.

Pretty much said trade before 45K or keep the bike if it has over 50K.

Thank you. That is some great information to know.

[Texas 103]

The other guys have given you some of the most obvious reasons, but there is another one that needs to be mentioned as well.  When you buy a V&H system for example, can you call up Byron Hines and ask him questions about the pipes and will he help you with the tune?  Steve at Fullsac will and does.  Customer service is every bit as important as engineering/appearance/etc., and I don't think you can beat the customer service at Fullsac.

JMHO - Jerry

X-2 Jerry, Steve and I had a great conversation about the merged collector,the famous 180 degree crossover the old #4   Morgan Mc Clure Nascar team ran in mid 90's right when he was designing that pipe, my theories got shot to hell...   sharp guy, product build on results, not theory       

[CircleRacer]

I run Fullsac because it is the best for performance and is very affordable I can purchase the system from the manufacture install it my self. If a problem is discovered by Fullsac they send out a notice and you can get what is needed for the problem for free just like it should be. When you go to the shop in Arizona you are treated like a very good friend. When I went to the shop I was given a tour I got to watch the muffler cores being made. Steve looked at my exhaust system did not like the way the header looked and installed a new header free of charge. No other company has service like this. Fullsac is simply the best and no company can match or even come close to Fullsac!!!!!

[ultraswede]

@ stillsoldier4christ
If you are in Germany, as your flag indicate, Im sorry to say that the shipping of the Fullsac pipe is.... a bit expensive to Europe.
I bought a V&H power cell pipe from my HD dealer (in Sweden) for less money than the DX cost, + Swedish tax and the shipping.  How good the DX pipe might be, to pay a 25% extra in shipping is a deal breaker for me.

I did buy the "CVO Power Cores" with the "Techmat Blankets", and most importantly, the TTS tuner.
The power cores is an easy installation and in my view fully reversible to stock if needed.
It is as some one pointed out, nice to have the correct part number and spec stamped on the muffler.

Edit,
For my 09 Ultra, I bought the DX pipe, the shipping was more resonable back then.
The DX, a good product, but expensive to get over to Europe.
I guess the importers of V&H get the shipping down per unit, container load on boat.

[Pan1]

Can the cat be removed from the new M8 and not trip a sensor code?

[Fullsac Performance]

Can the cat be removed from the new M8 and not trip a sensor code?

The 02 sensors are in front of the cat. It won't throw a code, but that's not to say you don't need to retune it.
Remapping the ECM is required with any substantial air flow change and resulting power increase.

SG

[stillsoldier4christ]

*****UPDATE******

I ended up going with the FullSac DX Headpipe, and the  Fullsac 4.0 slash cut mufflers 2.25". I haven't gotten to test them out yet, but I will let everyone know how they work out for me once I get the bike back from the shop. Got some other upgrades as well (117" top end upgrade, fuel management system, more and better speakers and amps).

[Texas 103]

I heard about Fullsac from my tech who suggested their product. Since my son lives in Havasu I was going to pick up the parts and bring them to my tech for install. Then it occured to me, why not just ride over and get it all done in Havasu. I contacted Steve and asked for a tech/dyno refferal. Much to my surprise he said we can do it all here. After making an appointment I was able to hang with Steve while my bike was brought to it's full potential ,100hp 110torque.... Your base run numbers are pitiful.  You pick your muffler core diameter but Steve can input pro's and cons for each size based on your riding style as well as your helmet. I'm very pleased with the $ spent for the finished product. Fullsac customer service is #1!!

X-2!, DX pipe flat works!. Most of the others are just  bling decoration & make noise. That's a true 180 degree crossover  pipe, that Steve did a hell of a job engineering. Caught him after 5 one evening and we were chatting about the Old Morgan MC Clure #4 Nascar Car that showed up in Daytona in '95 with a revolutionary 180 degree crossover that everybody runs now.. He lost me in the first 5 minute .lol Way above my pay grade.!   

Stand behind it running you will feel exhaust pressure equal from both sides. Try that with most any other pipe. Consistent outstanding dyno numbers and relatively easy to tune with no dips or any of that other nonsense  . My 117 is pretty happy with it..  Just a happy customer !!     

[timo482]

there are a couple of manufacturers who make real performance - lots that are noise and bragging rights for how much folks spend - like what you spend equals power and prestige.

of the real performance manufacturers full sac is the best power vs dollars - AND you have the e p a stamp on your mufflers and stock heat shields to avoid 99.5% of leo problems

they don't spend 99 percent of the customers money on advertising how loud and how cool.. mostly word of mouth "this makes power for less money and less leo hassle"..

cool really -

[spook120]

I am running a fullsac 2 inch baffle in stock CVO pipes in my stage 4 with Stage 3 cam build.  Wrench was impressed and commented that he had good success tuning the bike with the TTS.  He also mentioned that the Jack Pot pipe worked well in the build.  Just reporting what he had to say.  Overall I am satisfied with the sound/performance of the exhaust and it did save a significant amount of money.

[Doc 1]

Just curious. With all of the major players out there, such as V&H, RSD, Rinehart, Cobra, Crusher, Bassani, etc. etc. etc. Why is it that Fullsac is now, all of a sudden, "the best on the market?" Is it just the most current fad? I had never even heard of Fullsac until I got on this and RoadGlide.org forums a few days ago. So, why all the fuss? Why is Fullsac "so great!" compared to all of the other major brands that also claim to have the "best" exhaust system? Thanks!!!

I would say it starts with Steve......! The DX Header is by far the BEST header I have ever used on a Harley. It looks stock, has the power ''X'' that helps clear the pipe for the nest blow down, built well, ceramic coated, 02 SENSORS ARE LOCATED IN THE CORRECT SPOT and they are the correct depth for the sensor to be in the exhaust stream, the tune well, and make great power. The pipe is built with good driveability in mind unlike most of your bigger, more popular, giant manufactures out there.
I tune several bikes a week for more years than I like to remember.....this is the best header I have seen to date. I sell a lot of them and it's the ONLY header I stock.
Well thats my take on the Fullsac Product
Doc
Doc's Performance Tuning
 

[Mr D]

I would say it starts with Steve......! The DX Header is by far the BEST header I have ever used on a Harley. It looks stock, has the power ''X'' that helps clear the pipe for the nest blow down, built well, ceramic coated, 02 SENSORS ARE LOCATED IN THE CORRECT SPOT and they are the correct depth for the sensor to be in the exhaust stream, the tune well, and make great power. The pipe is built with good driveability in mind unlike most of your bigger, more popular, giant manufactures out there.
I tune several bikes a week for more years than I like to remember.....this is the best header I have seen to date. I sell a lot of them and it's the ONLY header I stock.
Well thats my take on the Fullsac Product
Doc
Doc's Performance Tuning
 

No further questions your honor, case dismissed 

never ride with a half sac 

[jpswino]

The DX pipe flat out works. Period. Research the dyno sheets. And the equation is about balance and scientific research, not about noise. And I just put the pipe, 2.0 cores and TTS on my new 124 motor and hit above dealership expectations