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[Elwood808]

I have a 2016 Fatboy S, Vance and Hines Staggered Shots stock AC.  I am getting ready to do a cams swap, no pistons, no cyl or head work.  I am curious if any of you have used a FP3  to select Fueling or Woods cams and what were the results.  Did you have noticeable results or did you have to flash the factory ECM, swap tuners to get it tuned properly.  I am looking at Woods 777 or Fueling 574 cams fwiw.

[Fullsac Performance]

I have a 2016 Fatboy S, Vance and Hines Staggered Shots stock AC.  I am getting ready to do a cams swap, no pistons, no cyl or head work.  I am curious if any of you have used a FP3  to select Fueling or Woods cams and what were the results.  Did you have noticeable results or did you have to flash the factory ECM, swap tuners to get it tuned properly.  I am looking at Woods 777 or Fueling 574 cams fwiw.

Hey Elwood!

Wow, nothing but crickets, I wonder why? I can't believe all the VP3 owners aren't jumping in here and telling you how easy and simple it will be to dial in your new cams? No dyno tuning required, just push the magic button and everything will take care of itself right?. A bunch of new VP3 owner were in here a while back beating there chest about the new technology and how dyno tuners would be out of business. All cool aid drinkers.

Here's some auto tune reality. A cam swap requires a major change in VE to bring the AFR back into the desired range. The stock 02 sensors can read and provide usefull data in the 13.8-15.2 AFR range. The cam swap will move the AFR way outside of this window in many places making afr data unavailable until the VE numbers in the calibration are manually adjusted by a human. If V+H will provide a base cal that is close the auto tune might have a chance of getting the afrs right in the closed loop area. Here's the problem. Full throttle is out side of closed loop. Along with a dozen other critical adjustments like accell fuel, decell fuel, warm up enrichment, spark knock, spark tables,throttle blade settings, and many other things that all have to be adjusted manually by a human. The whole point of adding performance parts is to make power. Proper tuning is critical for optimum results. My.02, find a good dyno tuner.
They will reccomend and use TTS Mastertune.

OK VP3 owners! Start the pie throwing!    

Steve@fullsac.com

[hrdtail78]

Wow, I have never seen Steve go off like that, but I 100% agree.  Just spend your money once on a real tuner and call it done.

[Fullsac Performance]

Wow, I have never seen Steve go off like that, but I 100% agree.  Just spend your money once on a real tuner and call it done.

Sorry if I went off, Lol.. I have been waiting for days for the VP3 bandwagon to arrive. They were here before offering up the "solution" with blue tooth technology and special voodoo. Its just a simple cam swap, com on, tell us how the VP3 is going to deal with this chit? Where's the magic now? Spill your cool aid? I'm waiting! Lol..

Sorry, I went off again. No more coffee I'm out. 

SG

[grc]

       I started to type a reply right after this thread was started, but then decided to wait and see what kind of responses he would get from that FP3 crowd.  I'm amazed not a single one of them took the time to help out a fellow V&H fan.

Thanks Steve for telling him what I was thinking.

Jerry

[Texas 103]

      I started to type a reply right after this thread was started, but then decided to wait and see what kind of responses he would get from that FP3 crowd.  I'm amazed not a single one of them took the time to help out a fellow V&H fan.

Thanks Steve for telling him what I was thinking.

Jerry

X-2 Steve! There is no substitute for a good professional tune. None of the magic boxes that promise you everything from Amway to Zen can handle it. V& H just  came out with a new 30 HP Kit, now just with 575 cams ,a FP , pipe and an AC ...bingo.... 30 HP..DAMN!!  Steve are you getting nervous.. LOL

[YELLOWBIRD]

Elwood,

Take all this as constructive criticism! You're getting the best advise from the pros!


Steve,

It funny as there are a bunch of FP3 Kool-Aid Drinkers on the HD Fourm that think it's the next best thing since slice bread.

Oh yeah, there are more Drinkers regarding "Auto-Tune" as well! Lol


YB

[fastfreddy]

what is FP3    

[grc]

what is FP3   

Fuel Pak 3, an upscale version of the old Fuel Pak Vance & Hines sold.  More capable than the older versions, but still no where near the capabilities of something like the TTS.  Higher price, lots of hype, but in the end it's still just a Fuel Pak.

JMHO - Jerry

[fastfreddy]

     

[Mr D]

I have a 2016 Fatboy S, Vance and Hines Staggered Shots stock AC. I am getting ready to do a cams swap, no pistons, no cyl or head work.  I am curious if any of you have used a FP3  to select Fueling or Woods cams and what were the results.  Did you have noticeable results or did you have to flash the factory ECM, swap tuners to get it tuned properly.  I am looking at Woods 777 or Fueling 574 cams fwiw.

You need a Flash tuner, a guy that knows how to tune & there are other cams to strongly consider as a "Bolt In"

[Sarhan]

Hey Elwood!

Wow, nothing but crickets, I wonder why? I can't believe all the VP3 owners aren't jumping in here and telling you how easy and simple it will be to dial in your new cams? No dyno tuning required, just push the magic button and everything will take care of itself right?. A bunch of new VP3 owner were in here a while back beating there chest about the new technology and how dyno tuners would be out of business. All cool aid drinkers.

Here's some auto tune reality. A cam swap requires a major change in VE to bring the AFR back into the desired range. The stock 02 sensors can read and provide usefull data in the 13.8-15.2 AFR range. The cam swap will move the AFR way outside of this window in many places making afr data unavailable until the VE numbers in the calibration are manually adjusted by a human. If V+H will provide a base cal that is close the auto tune might have a chance of getting the afrs right in the closed loop area. Here's the problem. Full throttle is out side of closed loop. Along with a dozen other critical adjustments like accell fuel, decell fuel, warm up enrichment, spark knock, spark tables,throttle blade settings, and many other things that all have to be adjusted manually by a human. The whole point of adding performance parts is to make power. Proper tuning is critical for optimum results. My.02, find a good dyno tuner.
They will reccomend and use TTS Mastertune.

OK VP3 owners! Start the pie throwing!    

Steve@fullsac.com

One thing to add on your comments Steve, is there CAM tooth sitting in FP3? 

[Ridgerunr]

Fullsac didn't "go off" IMO, just saved they guy some money and heartache from motor damage.

[FLTRI]

Just think of the reliability of auto"tune" systems for Harleys to be akin to the reliability of the auto"drive" system for Tesla. Still need a human to pay attention and override as necessary.
Just sayin',
Bob

[Doc 1]

Hey Elwood!

Wow, nothing but crickets, I wonder why? I can't believe all the VP3 owners aren't jumping in here and telling you how easy and simple it will be to dial in your new cams? No dyno tuning required, just push the magic button and everything will take care of itself right?. A bunch of new VP3 owner were in here a while back beating there chest about the new technology and how dyno tuners would be out of business. All cool aid drinkers.

Here's some auto tune reality. A cam swap requires a major change in VE to bring the AFR back into the desired range. The stock 02 sensors can read and provide usefull data in the 13.8-15.2 AFR range. The cam swap will move the AFR way outside of this window in many places making afr data unavailable until the VE numbers in the calibration are manually adjusted by a human. If V+H will provide a base cal that is close the auto tune might have a chance of getting the afrs right in the closed loop area. Here's the problem. Full throttle is out side of closed loop. Along with a dozen other critical adjustments like accell fuel, decell fuel, warm up enrichment, spark knock, spark tables,throttle blade settings, and many other things that all have to be adjusted manually by a human. The whole point of adding performance parts is to make power. Proper tuning is critical for optimum results. My.02, find a good dyno tuner.
They will reccomend and use TTS Mastertune.

OK VP3 owners! Start the pie throwing!    

Steve@fullsac.com

I agree 100% with Steve.....go get-um Big Boy......lol....lol.....love it!!!!!!!