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Re: SE primary chain tensioner vs the regular auto version
« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2016, 11:45:57 PM »

I changed the fluids on my 2009 FLHX Street Glide today and I removed the primary cover to check on my Hayden tensioner. I put it on last year and it has 5,000+ miles on it and it looks just like when I put it in last year. The chain and the Hayden spec clearance has not changed over the last year and there is no noises coming from the primary area.

I use Red Line oils in all 3 holes and the 3 magnetic drain plugs look excellent.
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Re: SE primary chain tensioner vs the regular auto version
« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2016, 07:04:34 PM »

Well here is my story to chew on.  I ride approximately 20k miles a year.  I have gone through several compensators throughout the years.  My 2011 RG has just over 111,000 miles. 

After the first compensator around 35k I replaced with the new Harley replacement and a Hayden tensioner.  The newer compensator are better, the Hayden tension works great.  But I had one significant problem with the tensioner.  Can't recall the exact mileage but it was less than 10k.  I did a inspection and the pad was worn out. Grover so bad that the chain rollers were hitting the pad.  Tried another pad with different lube and I had the same issue.  Went back to the Harley auto tensioner. 

The Harley tensioner is great as long as it doesn't over tighten. Again chew on this.  At around 98k I took a trip to the Dragon with some friends.  I rode it very aggressive with a lot of hard downshifts.  I was determined to see sparks in one of the killboy photos.  Mission accomplished.  Any way because of my riding style that day.  The tensioner overtightened.  This got me about 300 more miles before I started loosing clutch pull.  Made an adjustment and made it home.  Next day same thing lost clutch.  This time adjusting was not an option.

Ok so where is the problem you say.

Here is where it started. Because of the overtightened adjuster, the transmission shaft warped.  This caused the throw out bearing to slowly be eaten.  Hence loosing clutch.  So upon inspection found no evidence of a throw out bearing at all.  The small shaft the bearing rides on was welded to the push rod.  Yes welded.  So I had a ground up bearing all in my tranny. 

So 4000 dollars later I rebuilt tranny.  Added baker door and smooth chit kit.  New main shaft and all new bearings.  In the primary I went with baker manual adjuster and baker compensator.   

10 k later I lost charging.  Had a bad stator.  Pulled primary cover.  Chain adjustment was right where I had set it.  New compensator bearing surfaces look terrible all gouged.  Definitely looked like a lack of lubrication.  That's why I chose baker is because it looked bulletproof with those oil scoops to pick up the oil.

So current config is baker manual tensioner.  No more auto tensioner for me.  I know I contributed to the problem but the fact it adjusted to tight caused it.  I went back to Harley compensator they work decent.  Can be noisy and yes there is more noise with the manual adjuster. 

I recommend the baker smooth shift and the new door.  I probably would have done the DD7 if I had it to do over.  Never for me another auto tensioner.  I can inspect and adjust if needed.  And I recommend staying with the Harley compensator kit replacement.

Love my Harley's and this was a topic I have had a lot of experience with.  Among others, of course since I ride a lot

BTW 111,000 miles on motor.  Heads have never been remove and I use .5 quarts of oil every 5k



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Re: SE primary chain tensioner, Compensator issues
« Reply #17 on: January 01, 2017, 07:31:42 AM »

My '09 is just shy of 48K miles and I'm taking it to a local INDY (with Harley certifications) to resolve some issues before spring. The main reasons are less clutch free play and louder shifting noise when hot. While it's in the shop, the primary will be opened to replace the stock chain tensioner, change oil in the clutch and to rebuild the clutch pack. He recommended Hayden's M6-BT07 chain tensioner to reduce noise and Barnett's Kevlar kit to improve clutch performance. I wasn't aware there was a newer Harley tensioner until reading Cecil's post. Since there's no door in my primary cover, is the newer automatic version from Harley a better option now instead of Hayden ?

I'm also tempted to install Baker's compensator while he's in there. The current compensator (installed under warranty) was Harley's latest version in March, 2014. This one has eliminated the starting issues and backfiring but the crank is rocking back and forth when I shut the engine off now. The dealer said this will cause damage but their explanation wasn't clear. Do you think compensator wear is causing this problem ? Since it's an '09, I would need to replace the rotor which adds up to $600 through Baker.

Any advice would be appreciated...



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Re: SE primary chain tensioner vs the regular auto version
« Reply #18 on: January 01, 2017, 05:41:34 PM »

I have also used the Hayden, to much chain slap. So went back to the stock tensioner, was trying to make the comps live longer but think I was only making it worse. The latest comp is lasting me about 25k. So I would say use the latest HD auto tensioner
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Re: SE primary chain tensioner vs the regular auto version
« Reply #19 on: January 02, 2017, 02:44:06 PM »

The Hayden comes with shims to preset the tension. Did you use them and still have problems ? I found this 2012 review of the Hayden tensioner and along with other people, there aren't many complaints. The only downside I see is possible wear from constant up and down movement.

http://www.hdopenroad.com/reviews/a-cure-for-the-harley-primary-auto-adjuster-blues-2/
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Re: SE primary chain tensioner vs the regular auto version
« Reply #20 on: January 02, 2017, 03:12:01 PM »

The Hayden comes with shims to preset the tension. Did you use them and still have problems ? I found this 2012 review of the Hayden tensioner and along with other people, there aren't many complaints. The only downside I see is possible wear from constant up and down movement.

http://www.hdopenroad.com/reviews/a-cure-for-the-harley-primary-auto-adjuster-blues-2/
chain tension was set to 3/8 inch play, it was in spec for what they recommend. also the shoe was worn bad for the short time it was in, i sent it back to them for inspection they said nothing about the wear just mailed me my money,  :nixweiss: i have been thru 4 comps, 3 tensioners, 1 clutch and main shaft bearing in the trans, maybe im just hard on stuff and your results may vary. 
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Re: SE primary chain tensioner vs the regular auto version
« Reply #21 on: January 02, 2017, 10:00:11 PM »

I don't think you're any harder on equipment than the rest of us. Harley's tolerances and technology cause these problems and they've kept their design this way for cost savings and nostalgia (sales). I'm on my third compensator, second transmission bearing and second primary bearing. The compression release was replaced, two of the lifters were shot at 27,000 miles and they ended up destroying the cams. My warranty was done in 2014 so I'm on my own now. For an '09, our bike is in great condition and I refuse to pay $43K for a new one that needs aftermarket pipes and a tuner to make it run right. Several dealers said to hang onto to mine so I'll make due with what I have.

I'm very happy to see the improvements Harley has made since Willy G. retired and hopefully, they'll continue to resolve the issues we have with the older models.
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Re: SE primary chain tensioner vs the regular auto version
« Reply #22 on: January 03, 2017, 10:07:17 PM »

chain tension was set to 3/8 inch play, it was in spec for what they recommend. also the shoe was worn bad for the short time it was in, i sent it back to them for inspection they said nothing about the wear just mailed me my money,  :nixweiss: i have been thru 4 comps, 3 tensioners, 1 clutch and main shaft bearing in the trans, maybe im just hard on stuff and your results may vary.


I agree, the Hayden shoe just doesn't hold up like the Harley shoe. Went through 2 in short mileage.  Just wasn't worth it for me


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