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[mark]

I'll go through more than a quart in a thousand miles.

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Unfortunately, this problem occurs way too much on the 110.  There's several posts on this forum about the same problem.  I babied my 110 and it started using a qt. of oil per 1,000 miles at the 10k mark.  Also, you'd think using that much oil you'd see smoke coming from the exhaust, but no.  It is now someone else's bike...traded it for something better.

[HOGMIKE]

I'll go through more than a quart in a thousand miles.

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IMHO, too much. You run 3 1/2 quarts in the sump???
NONE of my late model baggers ever used that much oil.
 

[Roadblock]

i have 3700 miles on mine and on my 6th quart of oil. but harley says its normal. they cant find an oil leak.

[Twolanerider]

i have 3700 miles on mine and on my 6th quart of oil. but harley says its normal. they cant find an oil leak.

Harley says it's normal or some service writer says it's normal to have a quart of oil go through the engine every 615 miles?  I know to you it's the same thing.  But if it's the dipstick service writer telling you this it's time to go over his head.  If it's Mother Harley itself its time to complain to a higher level representative and/or start documenting the service requests on this so you can get the greatest conversion from any Lemon Law exchange or buyout that might become necessary and available. 

What was your response to the person who had either the nerve or the ineptitude to tell you that a quart to 600 is "normal?"

[Roadblock]

i told him he was an idiot. i decided to wait until a CVO Roadglide comes out and ill trade it. baby it in the mean time. my health is not good enough for me to ride a bunch anyway.

[Twolanerider]

i told him he was an idiot. i decided to wait until a CVO Roadglide comes out and ill trade it. baby it in the mean time. my health is not good enough for me to ride a bunch anyway.

That's still letting the dealer and manufacturer get away with feeding you bullchit AND dumping a known problem off on the next rider who will end up with it.

[Trapperdog]

That's still letting the dealer and manufacturer get away with feeding you bullchit AND dumping a known problem off on the next rider who will end up with it.

Absolutely.  I had an '05 that was using over a quart per 1K miles. The dealer gave me the same BS after having me come in every week to check the level.  He was nice enough to get the local service rep on the phone who also fed me the same.  I was polite, let hem finish and asked him "if he thought a judge would would agree that a one year old bike with 10K miles should be burning a qt of oil every 1k miles, as I would be heading directly to file in small claims after finishing the call?"  Four days later I received the bike back with new guides and rings (in theory any way, but it stopped using oil)
I wouldn't want anyone else inheriting the bike with that problem either 

[mark]

Based on HD's "it's normal to burn a quart of oil per 1,000 miles" position, I'd like to ask one of their reps why the manual calls for an oil change every 5k miles?  Based on this level of oil consumption, an owner would have completely replaced the crankcase's capacity after 5k miles.  If this is normal, the manual should specify that only the filter needs to be replaced...no need to change the oil.

[CHH_Badkarma]

Modern day return to the ol "total loss" oiling system lol

[grc]

The old "acceptable oil consumption" charts date back to the middle of the last century, and they exist in the automotive world as well as at Harley.  They were originally created to provide guidelines for the dealers and to prevent them from attempting repairs and submitting warranty claims for issues the manufacturers considered to be acceptable.  Back in those days, oil consumption was normal thanks to the limitations of materials, machining, etc., and the charts reflected consumption that could occur even when all the parts were within the tolerances common in the day.  However, since the 1980's there have been massive improvements in materials and manufacturing processes, to the point that we have engines in the auto industry these days that require much less maintenance and are much more reliable.  It's not uncommon for an engine to go a couple hundred thousand miles with nothing more than scheduled maintenance, as opposed to the fifty thousand miles and an overhaul common back in the day. 

The consumption charts still exist, but no one believes or accepts the conclusions of those charts in the auto business.  Only the most anal service managers try to blow that smoke up customers butts, and those who try often find themselves on the losing side of a lawsuit.  It's well past time for Harley customers to also stop accepting BS.  They are paying just as much for a Harley as most people pay for a car, and they should be able to expect industry standard quality and reliability.  A properly assembled late model Harley engine should be more than capable of running five thousand miles without having to add a quart of oil.  The fact that many cannot do that is due to poor decisions and poor quality control at H-D, not any technological hurdle imposed only on H-D.

Jerry

[ultraswede]

I seated my ring with the "high load low rpm" method. ( new CVO LTD)
Added 2% outboard mineral oil to the first tank of gas.
Kept the rpm below 3000 the first 800 km.

At 6000 km/ 3750 miles Zero oil consumption.
Installed the SE 117 kit at that mileage, all looked pristine.

[Roadblock]

i called the dealer back and said others have had this problem and a quart every 600 miles is a problem.  It took a year but they finally decided they should fix it.

[Chief Bart]

After complaining over the past three years about oil consumption and low oil pressure, I finally got a dealer to investigate and determined crankshaft was way out of specs which in turn damaged oil pump, causing sumping issues along with poor oil oiling throughout engine. This also caused weeping at the air cleaner and poor oil consumption. I was going through a quart about every 5 or 600 miles. End result, catastrophic engine failure that requires a long block or rebuild. Not to mention the rounds I have had to go to prove to ESP that I have properly maintained bike.

[Rooster]

At least in the Shovelhead days you could see the loss on the ground under the bike. It seems over the years the MOCO uses the NORMAL answer for all their quality control issues. But mostly they get away with it as folks keep on buying.

[Hondo2doc]

Ok I have an update. Took bike to dealer they investigated and determined it was rings.  So they began the breakdown. Once they had both cylinders off they saw a substantial groove cut into the front cylinder. About 2 inches down from the top and half way around the circle. Well dealer contacted mother Harley and a day later said new motor. So they are sending a new motor for my bike. Mother Harley's thinking was a gouge that large has sent metal all through the motor. Fortunately for me this happened about 6 weeks before my warranty runs out. My bike has 29000 miles on it. Gonna miss the Leesburg bike fest but oh well I'll have damn near a new scooter.


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