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Chip the map is only the starting point that they put in place to allow the tuning to be more subtle than it would be if it was starting with all zeros or an 88 map.   The idea is to get you going without the bucking and pinging while it learns your habits and the efficiency of each cyclinder through the wide band o2 sensors.   Basically it gets you out the door so its not frustrating the first few hours you ride it and it also helps to ensure that its safe to ride from the git go.

-harry

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Dawg

I knew you would have a good answer!
See ya in da Valley!

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Hey

Breaking in the Frontier has been fun. But painfully time consuming.
Have crossed that 3000rpm threshold with a few burst to 4K.
Did find out tonight that at 100 mph that Jim's RSD 6 speed has the motor turning 3500 rpm.
That temporary S/E 264 cam pulls hard from 3K up.
Was gonna see what 4K would show but ran out of daylight. [smiley=nixweiss.gif]

[DCFIREMANN]

Chip it sounds like a fun ride. What cams are you going to run after breakin??? I can't wait to see it in the valley.

Be Safe

THE DAWG

[Boatman]

Does this closed loop system do anything for us 04-05 SEEG's that don't have oxygen sensors?

[Special_Ed]

Chip the map is only the starting point that they put in place to allow the tuning to be more subtle than it would be if it was starting with all zeros or an 88 map.

[DCFIREMANN]

Does this closed loop system do anything for us 04-05 SEEG's that don't have oxygen sensors?

[DCFIREMANN]

Harry,

My understanding is that a closed loop will maintain a level to meet EPA standards. It works on the same idea as an automotive closed loop. When the modifications are installed on the motor the computer will adjust to meet the changes but is it adjusting for performance or to keep the motor within EPA standards? My question is how is F/A curve limited? or a basline established for perfomance?

Thanks,
Ed

Ed it will have a performance curve unlike your stock ECM and O2 sensors. It will adjust for performance. You will have a base map for your mods and it will adjust it from there.

Be Safe

THE DAWG

[Twolanerider]

Ed it will have a performance curve unlike your stock ECM and O2 sensors. It will adjust for performance. You will have a base map for your mods and it will adjust it from there.

Be Safe

THE DAWG

Another question.  What range of targets can be established?  For example; if one lived in a state with emissions testing (a sniff test) could he hook up his laptop, set the system for a slightly leaned out mixture and then after the sniff test is done reset the system to chase a more aggressive fuel curve?  As I understood the system would be not just variable but programmable.  But I've not been given absolute confirmation of that fact.

[jdk20723]

Don, correct.  You will be able to program the target AFR.  You can adjust for performance or economy, or anywhere in between.  In the future, you will be able to make the adjustments from our digital speedometer using the mode buttons, and watch live AFR readings within the speedo LED readout, no computer required (coming in 2007).  JK

[Special_Ed]

Don, correct.

[Garznhogs]

DAWG, you got any rough cost figures?  It doesn't qualify for OCD, but should for SEO.
--Weld 2 bungs [size=10](I like that word)[/size], I have the stock headers, so front, and rear at the "Y"? $+-
--Sensors (to put in the BUNGS)...$
--TMax...$
--SERT currently 'installed'... Oh, wait, I know that one.... $worthless [smiley=_blank.gif]
I'm guessing the map now in the ECM for my mods would be the starting point.
Whatever the price, it'd be worth it not to have to screw with dyno[smiley=rifle.gif]tuning.
Thanks,
Garz

[Twolanerider]

Don, correct.

[DCFIREMANN]

Jk,
[highlight]Is there any information in print form or web site that has more detailed explanation of operation? Sounds like a great product.[/highlight]
Ed

Ed I am going to try to have info and a real life system in MV if you are going.

Be Safe

THE DAWG

[DCFIREMANN]

DAWG, you got any rough cost figures?

[DCFIREMANN]

OK I just got home from Zippers with Punkin. She has to go back as we were running out of time. The bike now has a D&D fat cat with the performance baffle. This pipe (if you are looking for high numbers) is too small for this motor. It did perform very well though. The basic map is done but not complete. There is still more HP and TQ left in this bike. Today Punkin spun 126 square. The TQ curve comes in at 100 ft lbs at 2500 at 3200 it is at 126 ft lbs and stays there till over 5000. For a true touring bike this is great. Running 65 mph in 6th gear and gently roll the throttle it hits 85 right now. Great for passing on the highway. I am going back after MV to have the map completed and the rest of the testing completed with other exhaust systems.

Even though the numbers are not that high as of yet it rides great. I was very surprised. The throttle response is great. If I had to do this all over again I would have gone the same route. Zippers also likes the numbers to be real. If this means they are low so be it. They will not pad the book and would rather they be lower and very reliable.  

The bike does not have the O2 sensors on it now but will when I return and make the final exhaust selection. The map is a new map set up for the closed loop system so all I need to do is install it and go!

I would like to thank the staff at Zippers for the great job.

Be Safe

THE DAWG