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[nixobilly]

Well, its 11/6 and still no updates on the new Zippers ecm and closed loop system for our 07 bikes.  

I'm getting kinda impatient as we have no firm expectation of when it will be available and ready to ship. (this week, next month, next year)

I'm looking to pull the trigger on V&H True Duals & Oval slipons, A/N big sucker, SERT (map 74 or 84), and Daytona Sensors Twin Scan 88+ for fine tuning.

Anybody feeling the way I do on this or am I being too impatient?

Mark

[Twolanerider]

Mark,
With the 07 bikes having been somewhat recently released you have to give the aftermarket time to digest the differences.  So I don't know that it's fair to complain about not being tailored to the unforeseen alarm differences in the 07s yet.  However......  the missed ETA promises for all the prior models is something of a different question.

I just wish we even knew if it was a QC issue, actually a production issue, a QC issue causing production issues or a technology question that's keeping things from working as expected.  As was suggested once before, the discomforting issue for many isn't open or closed loop; it's simply being out of the loop.  Hell, I've even been charged for mine and still am blissfully waiting for happy parts.

[nixobilly]

Twolanerider,


Yup, I hear ya -- that is exactly the issue.  It also makes me worried about what kind of support they can do after the sale.

Various SERT and PCIII biased folks have been feeding the fires by talking about reliability, availability, and serviceability on the Zippers ECM gear (they say their engine builds are excellent though).  Additionally,  I haven't found anybody locally who knows how to tune one if something happens and I need tuning (I live in Houston).

Maybe I'm getting cold feet.  I do know that alot of folks in the forum hold their (zippers) ECMs in high esteem so I'm wavering....

Mark

[Ironhorse]

Guys I identify 100%.

Texas103 says the closed loops are in and they are shipping him one. However I just got an e-mail from Randy saying there is nothing available at the moment. It's this kinda thing that makes me a little leery. I am in the same boat in deciding about ditching the Zippers stuff and going with the Daytona Twin-Tec systems too. Right now I have half a foot in bed with Zippers, and half a foot out. I also have someone interested in buying my ECM, SERT, and bored out Throttlebody. However I am hesitant to sell them, because I don't want get stuck with the Zippers stuff if it does not work right.

Anyway, DC Fireman is a straight shooter. He's going to be checking on this for us sometime this week. Let's see what he has to say.

[110tHunDer]

. . . Hell, I've even been charged for mine and still am blissfully waiting for happy parts.

THAT is not right! [smiley=soapbox.gif]

[DCFIREMANN]

Twolanerider,


Yup, I hear ya -- that is exactly the issue.

[nixobilly]

Hey DC,

Aren't you going down to Zippers to get the closed loop system this week?

msb

[Twolanerider]

I'm not concerned about their intent to service the product and any attendant hassles after the fact.

[Twolanerider]

I can tell you that should be the least of your worries. They will stand behind the product. They will go out of their way to make sure you are happy. I PROMISE!!!!!!


Be Safe

THE DAWG

Mike,
No one doubts their intent (or yours here).  Though of course, intents notwithstanding, everyone also realizes that promises of Zippers performance are Zippers to make and not yours.  

No one is asking for any more than knowing (really) "what's up."  From that decisions could be made and options could be picked from.  Continual and succeeding promises of "soon," however, are sophomoric; not professional.  When all is said and done we'll be (literally) putting our asses on the line (the one down the middle of the road) based on expectations from Zippers here.  For that I think many would like a more thoroughgoing discussion than continual and succeeding promises of "soon."

Don

[jdk20723]

We will start shipping all orders Tuesday, November 7th.

[nixobilly]

We will start shipping all orders Tuesday, November 7th.  The AutoTune has been thoroughly tested, and I feel comfortable that we are releasing a glitch-free product.  Thanks to all for your patience.  

The issue we ran into regarding the installation on the 2007 110" bike was in fact not related to the security system, but due to this engine's electronic compression release and the way it is processed through the ECM.  The bike we worked on coincidentally was the first '07 we had tried with a security system on it, as well as the first 110 which has the compression release.  The system works fine with the security system, but a circuit board revision with a driver for the compression release must be designed, tested and put into production before we will have an ECM that supports that function.  I don't anticipate delivery of this unit until after the first of the year, and no I can't pinpoint an exact date.  On the 110 we have been mapping, we simply disconnected the release; the bike starts fine without it thanks to the enhanced starting capabilities of the ThunderMax.  The current product will run the motorcycle without the release.

JK

Ok,  I think this is good news but I have no idea what the compression release is and how it's absence might impact my bike.

Could you spare a few lines and describe what the impact is and, if I buy the TM ECM and closed loop system now, how will the fix for this issue be retrofitted in this release of the product (software upgrade, ECM replacement, etc)?

Mark

[Framemaker]

I may be wrong, but a compression release is used on high compression engines to reduce compression on start up, thereby reducing strain on the starter motor.  Some engines have manual valves that need to be opened before cranking.  Apparently the 07 110 has automatic compression releases controlled by the ECU.

Hope this is correct, Framemaker

[hd-dude]

I may be wrong, but a compression release is used on high compression engines to reduce compression on start up, thereby reducing strain on the starter motor.

[Twolanerider]

We will start shipping all orders Tuesday, November 7th.

[DCFIREMANN]

John,

Thanks for the heads up.