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[ultrafxr]

Well, well, well, the vaunted king of quality has no clothes.  I never bought into all that hype about the invincibility of the Japanese automakers.  I had an Acura and while it was a good car it did not hold up all that well.  After eight years or so it was really showing its age and problems were mounting.  My daughter had a Honda Civic with similar results.

So far my 2006 Buick Rainier SUV with 42k on it is absolutely perfect.  Never, ever been back to the dealer because nothing and I do mean nothing has ever failed to work flawlessly.  BTW I like it a lot better than the Acura.  

[sadunbar]

Well, well, well, the vaunted king of quality has no clothes.  I never bought into all that hype about the invincibility of the Japanese automakers.  I had an Acura and while it was a good car it did not hold up all that well.  After eight years or so it was really showing its age and problems were mounting.  My daughter had a Honda Civic with similar results.

So far my 2006 Buick Rainier SUV with 42k on it is absolutely perfect.  Never, ever been back to the dealer because nothing and I do mean nothing has ever failed to work flawlessly.  BTW I like it a lot better than the Acura.  

Someone in Japan may have to take the sword for this one....   

[SBB]

Someone in Japan may have to take the sword for this one....   

Nancy's son is in Okinawa.
Can he get the sword after it's over?
He likes big shiny knives.

           

SBB

[CVOTequila]

Well, well, well, the vaunted king of quality has no clothes.  I never bought into all that hype about the invincibility of the Japanese automakers.  I had an Acura and while it was a good car it did not hold up all that well.  After eight years or so it was really showing its age and problems were mounting.  My daughter had a Honda Civic with similar results.

So far my 2006 Buick Rainier SUV with 42k on it is absolutely perfect.  Never, ever been back to the dealer because nothing and I do mean nothing has ever failed to work flawlessly.  BTW I like it a lot better than the Acura.  

Yeah agreed....I think I will stick with my Dodge Cummins.....

[ultrafxr]

Someone in Japan may have to take the sword for this one....  

Heads will roll.  And the supplier of those accelerator pedals, CTS Corp., is in deep, deep chit for sure (as well they should be).

[DavidB]

Its a setup.
 There looking for some of that GM bailout money.

[mr_magoo]

Some one is gone.

[smkymtnboy]

  maybe a toyota bailout is in the making

[NVTHIS]

I don't feel one bit sorry for them.

[MUFFMAN]

Heads will roll.  And the supplier of those accelerator pedals, CTS Corp., is in deep, deep chit for sure (as well they should be).

Hey, it's NOT the accelorator pedal. It's the floor mats catching.

[J-Carr]

I finally drank the Japanes kool-aid and bought a couple of Subaru's back in '02.  Biggest pieces of chit I've ever owned.  Quality was worse, reliability was awful, dealers wouldn't fix 'em claiming nothing was wrong, price of parts was outragous, and the trade in value sucked. (Ya know... I thought I was typing about Harley there for a minute  ).  And they weren't any better in the snow then my previous front wheel drive Olds.  And this is supposed to be the cream of the crop when it comes to quality.  Better even then the Toyota.  So I'm convinced that the whole Japanese automotive superiority is just another self loathing anti-American pin head false claim.

My wife has a Ford Fusion AWD now.  Best car we've ever owned.  Anyone thinking of a Camry, I'd reccomend a good hard look at the Fusion.

I have a Ford F-150.  I love my truck!

Ride Safe,
J-Carr

[Gettinold]

Are there any members or their friends or family that hve experienced this. 

[grc]

It makes me feel a little better about all the abuse we in the domestic industry have taken over the years from the biased media folks who have spent their time touting anything Japanese and badmouthing anything from the domestics.  Statistics have shown for quite some time that the quality "gap" has never been of the magnitude claimed by the media, and is currently no gap at all.  The media folks have spent decades glossing over and/or ignoring any issues that Toyota has had while putting every little recall or glitch from the domestics on the evening news and the front page. 

I wonder if perhaps H-D didn't get their ETC (electronic throttle control) ideas from Toyota, since I remember some folks complaining of similar issues with their Harley's last year.  I know the original response from Toyota seemed to be taken straight from the Harley playbook; blame the customer for mispositioning the floor mat.  Too bad people continued to die after following Toyota's recommendation to remove the mats and place them in the trunk.

One might think from all the media disinformation that this is now considered a "gas pedal" problem.  First, it would be nice if the talking heads could learn and use the proper terminology.  Second, the accelerator pedal does not have a way to open itself, just as the throttle grip on a Harley doesn't have a way to turn itself.  Perhaps they need to start looking a little closer at the actuator end of the system, and more importantly the electronics and wiring.  One thought that keeps popping into my head is the possibility of cross feed in shared circuits, which has been an issue with many automotive systems over the years.  Cost containment creates the need for shared grounds and power feeds instead of individual dedicated circuits for most items, but I have always submitted that certain safety items should have totally isolated circuits like the earliest airbags did.  Whatever the cause turns out to be, it would appear to be something unique to the Toyota system since we haven't seen other manufacturer's experiencing this problem with throttle by wire.

I heard a report last night that GM is offering assistance to Toyota owners who want to get rid of their Toyota's, with special incentives and rebates and early lease termination fees if they buy a GM product.  I love it.

Jerry

[ultrafxr]

Hey, it's NOT the accelerator pedal. It's the floor mats catching.

That was the first recall.  Now they find that the pedal and linkage itself can stick.  They have even suspended sales of several models.  This is a major league cluster.

This added after reading GRC's post above:  I though I read something about a cable sticking possibly due to moisture / corrosion ? ? ?   Guess even in TBW there eventually has to be some sort of cable to actuate the throttle ? ? ?   In any case it is a bad situation for all concerned.

[Ultra2010]

It makes me feel a little better about all the abuse we in the domestic industry have taken over the years from the biased media folks who have spent their time touting anything Japanese and badmouthing anything from the domestics.  Statistics have shown for quite some time that the quality "gap" has never been of the magnitude claimed by the media, and is currently no gap at all.  The media folks have spent decades glossing over and/or ignoring any issues that Toyota has had while putting every little recall or glitch from the domestics on the evening news and the front page. 





Jerry

VERY well said, could not agree with you more.  Hell, I'd buy this guy a beer!