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[North Georgia Hawg]

I'd give some benefit of the doubt on that.  We've developed adhesives that live through orbital shots and reentry.  My bigger concern would be using any adhesive on pieces that might come apart and come up the primary chain when it's up to all of us at home to recognize then do the requisite prep for the adhesive to work well long term.

  Exactly!  There are adhesives these days that will basically last as long as a good weld, so if the correct adhesive is specified that won't be the problem.  The problem comes from prepping and applying the adhesive and parts outside of a strictly controlled process.  Just telling someone to clean the cover, slap on some adhesive, and press the parts in place is a recipe for disaster.  I'll be very interested in reading the actual instructions that come with this latest money maker for Harley.  And you can bet if those deflectors come loose and jam in the primary good ol' H-D will disavow all responsibility.

Funny how the guy who invented the idea bolts his parts into the primary, but the folks who stole the idea decided to glue the parts to the cover.  Was that an attempt to avoid litigation, or just the typical Harley cheapness coming through?  I wonder how they will do this when it becomes the regular production version of the compensator?

This entire compensator deal is like one of those never ending soap opera's.

Jerry

The adhesive may be great, but I'm quite skeptical that the inside of the primary case could ever be cleaned well enough in the field for the stuff to reliably stick.

I'll tell ya right now that nothing is ever going to get glued on the inside of my primary case - not even if I had a dealer do it so they would be liable for any failure. NOT GONNA HAPPEN!

Ken

[sadunbar]

 Exactly!  There are adhesives these days that will basically last as long as a good weld, so if the correct adhesive is specified that won't be the problem.  The problem comes from prepping and applying the adhesive and parts outside of a strictly controlled process.  Just telling someone to clean the cover, slap on some adhesive, and press the parts in place is a recipe for disaster.  I'll be very interested in reading the actual instructions that come with this latest money maker for Harley.  And you can bet if those deflectors come loose and jam in the primary good ol' H-D will disavow all responsibility.

Funny how the guy who invented the idea bolts his parts into the primary, but the folks who stole the idea decided to glue the parts to the cover.  Was that an attempt to avoid litigation, or just the typical Harley cheapness coming through? I wonder how they will do this when it becomes the regular production version of the compensator?
This entire compensator deal is like one of those never ending soap opera's.

Jerry

The change the part makes are cast into the newest primary cover.  For those not wanting to glue the pieces in place, the alternative is to buy a new primary cover.  

I'm most interested to see how well the needle thrust bearing performs in place of the fiber thrust bearing.  

[TN]

The adhesive may be great, but I'm quite skeptical that the inside of the primary case could ever be cleaned well enough in the field for the stuff to reliably stick.

I'll tell ya right now that nothing is ever going to get glued on the inside of my primary case - not even if I had a dealer do it so they would be liable for any failure. NOT GONNA HAPPEN!

Ken

they make the oil funnel out of their proprietary plastic for a reason. not if, but when it does come unglued it disintegrates and dissolves in the primary oil. As long as yer using the special HD branded primary lubricate for this application.

[North Georgia Hawg]

they make the oil funnel out of their proprietary plastic for a reason. not if, but when it does come unglued it disintegrates and dissolves in the primary oil. As long as yer using the special HD branded primary lubricate for this application.

LOL! But I'm more worried about it flipping around in there and what happens when it goes into the sprockets... BEFORE it magically dissolves! 

Ken

[Pete7539]

 3M VHB tape

[Lever]

that's some sticky tape

[dlaws01]

I'd give some benefit of the doubt on that.  We've developed adhesives that live through orbital shots and reentry.  My bigger concern would be using any adhesive on pieces that might come apart and come up the primary chain when it's up to all of us at home to recognize then do the requisite prep for the adhesive to work well long term.

I agree with you mostly but H-D ain't NASA and the idiot's working in the service department at my dealership would probably use a greasy rag to wipe down the area where the adhesive is to be applied and then leave the greasy rag inside the primary.  I'm not going to have a glued together compensator  on my bike.  I'll wait for another version or use the older version or find the answer on the aftermarket. 

[sadunbar]

I agree with you mostly but H-D ain't NASA and the idiot's working in the service department at my dealership would probably use a greasy rag to wipe down the area where the adhesive is to be applied and then leave the greasy rag inside the primary.  I'm not going to have a glued together compensator  on my bike.  I'll wait for another version or use the older version or find the answer on the aftermarket.  

The glue-on piece is only to retrofit old primary covers for use with the latest compensator.  If you are willing to spend the coin, the newest primary cover will have the modification cast into them...you can buy one along with a new compensator!       

[mjb765]

The glue-on piece is only to retrofit old primary covers.  If you are willing to spend the coin, the newest primary cover will have the modification cast into them...

By the time you get done with that, it would be cheaper to buy that compensaver piece.

[Boatman]

By the time you get done with that, it would be cheaper to buy that compensaver piece.

Will the compensaver work with the new compensator ??   Or does the compensaver have to be reworked??

[sadunbar]

Will the compensaver work with the new compensator ??   Or does the compensaver have to be reworked??

I'd be careful unless the manufactures specifically says it will work.  I don't know dimensionally how the two compensators compare.  If the compensaver interferes with the latest compensator due to size difference, bad things would result.  I'd also want to confirm the oil dump of the compensavor is in a happy place with the new compensator.  I'd suggest talking to the folks who designed the compensaver before installing it with the latest compensator.   

[Boatman]

I'd be careful unless the manufactures specifically says it will work.  I don't know dimensionally how the two compensators compare.  If the compensaver interferes with the latest compensator due to size difference, bad things would result.  I'd also want to confirm the oil dump of the compensavor is in a happy place with the new compensator.  I'd suggest talking to the folks who designed the compensaver before installing it with the latest compensator.  

I sent a PM last week to the fellow on this site asking if they were going to purchase a 2014 compensator to see if it would work Scott, but he has not replied.  I'm like you, I am pretty sure it will not work with the new compensator (in it's present form).

Compensaver spent some time/money and HD has rendered it obsolete as I can't see HD to continue to make the old design.

[RayG]

I have a question, suppose you already went through a few of the SE Compensator's, a couple of clutch baskets and replaced every component in the primary 5,000 miles ago and the compensator needs to be replaced right now!   Most of you already know my thoughts of the MOCO and the use of OEM parts that die a quick and painful premature death.  Is there a company that makes a reliable unit right now or one that may be available in the very near future that can handle the job?  I would rather park it and wait rather that just throw away another $250.00 + just to get another 5,000 miles.  I will try the Hayden as well.  Tired of feeding the MOCO right now.  We were supposed to head South for a weeks vacation next week so that will not happen unless I feed the MOCO more money for a very temporary patch.  If I was pounding the bike I would just take the blame and move on, but I have been taking it easy with the new motor.  I need to get a back up bike and the prices should be dropping now or real soon.  Seriously looking at a Sports Touring rig, most likely a Yamaha FJR or the Kawi Connie, something with a radiator that can easily go 100,000 miles.  I would like to know what Jim (AKA HD Dude) would do about the compensator issue?   Not trying to be negative it's just natural for me, sorry if I offend anyone.

[North Georgia Hawg]

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Seriously looking at a Sports Touring rig, most likely a Yamaha FJR or the Kawi Connie, something with a radiator that can easily go 100,000 miles.

Concours owners are even more RABID about their scooters than Harley riders are! There's a lot to like in a Connie... including a reliable liquid cooled DOHC inline-four 1400 engine, 153 HP STONE STOCK, shaft drive, great handling, complete upper and lower fairings, hard bags, and a smooth quiet ride. They look good, too.

Oh yeah... And NO COMPENSATOR!

Ken

[RayG]

I couldn't have said it better Ken!