Topic: Amsoil Supershift Syn ATF in primary -- stopped the N/1 "clunk" (Read 15061 times)

PR3VS56 · « **on:** July 19, 2009, 04:55:18 PM »

I knew the N to 1 heavy clunk was due to clutch drag. What I didn't know was whether the Amsoil Super Shift would stop the clunk AND hold up to heavy heat.

My test this morning was starting it in Neutral, then let it warm up maybe 2 mins while I back out the driveway & put the gloves on. Then, pull in the clutch & into 1st without hesitation. Perfect. So far, the big clunk is definitely gone. There's still the usual (modest) Harley N/1 gear clash, which sounds cool if you ask me, but it's not like I'm hittin' the gears with a sledge hammer. I'm sure I could quiet it down even further by holding the clutch in for 3-4 seconds while the gears slow down, but I wanted to give it a real test. I'm tired of thinking about it every time I start off, and just want to shift into gear and go. WHY anyone would recommend Syn3 in the primary I'll never know. Harley could just as easy label their own primary fluid.

I gave 'er a good hard ride yesterday, to build up some heat, and it held up real well. BUT, nothing compares to a July/August ride through Arizona. Heading to Sturgis in 2 weeks -- I'll find out how the primary parts hold up to the extreme heat and report back.

Fullsac Performance · « **Reply #1 on:** July 23, 2009, 07:45:55 AM »

I have been using ATF in the primary for years. I rarely mention it, tends to raise eyebrows from the experts. Lol.
Definitely helps the 1st gear clunk. Clutch works very smooth. The transfer case in my late model Dodge uses ATF. It has a chain. The auto trans has clutches. Kinda makes sense when you think about it.

Steve

Rooster · « **Reply #2 on:** July 23, 2009, 11:05:29 AM »

Along with the Jim's 131 I added the Rivera Pro Clutch and now it shifts way smoother no more hard clunk.

PR3VS56 · « **Reply #3 on:** July 23, 2009, 11:15:26 AM »

Quote from: Rooster on July 23, 2009, 11:05:29 AM

Along with the Jim's 131 I added the Rivera Pro Clutch and now it shifts way smoother no more hard clunk.

Overkill for a stock 96inch, but great for your Jim's. I had a Pro Clutch in my previous RG -- 105tq/108hp. Perfect.

The clunk is all about clutch drag.

Twolanerider · « **Reply #4 on:** July 23, 2009, 11:30:07 AM »

When I put the Barnett clutch kit in the red bike the company strongly recommended just plain old Type F ATF.

LarryB · « **Reply #5 on:** July 23, 2009, 02:45:07 PM »

good info

Buffy · « **Reply #6 on:** July 23, 2009, 08:31:55 PM »

Quote from: Twolanerider on July 23, 2009, 11:30:07 AM

When I put the Barnett clutch kit in the red bike the company strongly recommended just plain old Type F ATF.

Did you do it?

And if so, how is it working and for how long?

hdbrad03 · « **Reply #7 on:** July 23, 2009, 09:34:03 PM »

I also use Amsoil Supershift in my bikes and like the way it shifts.

Brad

Twolanerider · « **Reply #8 on:** July 23, 2009, 10:54:32 PM »

Quote from: Buffy on July 23, 2009, 08:31:55 PM

Did you do it?

And if so, how is it working and for how long?

Yes. Actually use ATF in the primary in both bikes. Though rather than Brand X type F stuff I did grab a synthetic just to pacify myselft for a little better heat tolerance.

Works fine. No issues at all and no deterioration in any kind of "feel." At 5k service intervals fluid doesn't smell hot or burned and nothing unexpected in the drainage.

LarryB · « **Reply #9 on:** September 04, 2009, 05:00:04 PM »

so how has the amsoil supershift been holding up?
Need an update

PR3VS56 · « **Reply #10 on:** September 04, 2009, 08:50:22 PM »

Perfect for me. Worked well riding throught he Mojave in August + Badlands in So Dakota. No issues whatsoever.

Rooster · « **Reply #11 on:** September 04, 2009, 11:08:36 PM »

I have Redline Shockproof in the tranny. And I have used it in other bikes. It does make it better but the biggest difference was the Clutch change.

LarryB · « **Reply #12 on:** September 05, 2009, 07:40:17 AM »

I use the redline in my Tanny too, but I opened this thread back up specifically for the primary

LC110 · « **Reply #13 on:** September 06, 2009, 10:59:13 AM »

Several people I ride with, have used and recommend this.

http://www.jegs.com/i/B-M/130/80286/10002/-1&parentProductId=750344

HEADPAN62 · « **Reply #14 on:** September 08, 2009, 03:58:27 PM »

I am in jersey. Where can I get this stuff?

LC110 · « **Reply #15 on:** September 08, 2009, 08:44:04 PM »

Quote from: HEADPAN62 on September 08, 2009, 03:58:27 PM

I am in jersey. Where can I get this stuff?

Try adavance auto/ auto zone

REGGAB · « **Reply #16 on:** September 09, 2009, 10:20:10 PM »

Bel-Ray Gear Saver SAE 85W Transmission Oil in the primary will provide the same result. Tucker-Rocky sells (sold) the stuff by the case of twelve liters. I don't think they sell the white liter bottles anymore though. Just the Black quart bottles of Big Twin primary chaincase oil, but it is SAE 80W. Once I run out of my remaining stocks of white liter bottles, I'll get the "new" stuff from Rod's Performance, since only dealers can order from Tucker-Rocky.

LarryB · « **Reply #17 on:** September 10, 2009, 07:15:13 AM »

Quote from: HML on September 09, 2009, 10:20:10 PM

Bel-Ray Gear Saver SAE 85W Transmission Oil in the primary will provide the same result. Tucker-Rocky sells (sold) the stuff by the case of twelve liters. I don't think they sell the white liter bottles anymore though. Just the Black quart bottles of Big Twin primary chaincase oil, but it is SAE 80W. Once I run out of my remaining stocks of white liter bottles, I'll get the "new" stuff from Rod's Performance, since only dealers can order from Tucker-Rocky.

I used the Bel-Ray gear svr in the primary, and not as happy with it as I would've thought, it was, ok.

SteveFLHTK · « **Reply #18 on:** September 10, 2009, 04:38:59 PM »

I think we talked about the Amsoil in mine. How'd it run on the test run with it?

REGGAB · « **Reply #19 on:** September 10, 2009, 11:23:14 PM »

Quote from: LarryB on September 10, 2009, 07:15:13 AM

I used the Bel-Ray gear svr in the primary, and not as happy with it as I would've thought, it was, ok.

Can you be more specific about why you were not as happy as you would've thought, please? The only reason I'm asking is to learn if there is something for which I should be looking after running this stuff in my primaries.

Which oil did you choose to run in place of Bel-Ray Gear Saver SAE 85W in your primary, and how is it working out for you?

Thanks.

LarryB · « **Reply #20 on:** September 11, 2009, 07:47:18 AM »

Quote from: SteveFLHTK on September 10, 2009, 04:38:59 PM

I think we talked about the Amsoil in mine. How'd it run on the test run with it?

amsoil supershift in your primary Steve. much smoother

LarryB · « **Reply #21 on:** September 11, 2009, 07:48:43 AM »

Quote from: HML on September 10, 2009, 11:23:14 PM

Can you be more specific about why you were not as happy as you would've thought, please? The only reason I'm asking is to learn if there is something for which I should be looking after running this stuff in my primaries.

Which oil did you choose to run in place of Bel-Ray Gear Saver SAE 85W in your primary, and how is it working out for you?

Thanks.

was wanting to get ride of the clunk. redline in tranny made it better, but the amsoil supershift in primary was an added bonus

REGGAB · « **Reply #22 on:** September 11, 2009, 07:13:36 PM »

Quote from: LarryB on September 11, 2009, 07:48:43 AM

was wanting to get ride of the clunk. redline in tranny made it better, but the amsoil supershift in primary was an added bonus

Thank you, Sir.

LarryB · « **Reply #23 on:** September 12, 2009, 08:32:48 AM »

Quote from: HML on September 11, 2009, 07:13:36 PM

Thank you, Sir.

the other issue is that Bel-Ray is NOT synthetic

REGGAB · « **Reply #24 on:** September 12, 2009, 11:03:17 AM »

Quote from: LarryB on September 12, 2009, 08:32:48 AM

the other issue is that Bel-Ray is NOT synthetic

Is this your prose and Bel-Ray's answer.....from Sir Tech on the Bel-Ray site?

"6. I ride a 2009 FLTRSE3, Screamin’ Eagle Road Glide with a 110 motor. I am using Gear Saver in the Tranny now but want a high end 100% synthetic for the primary and motor, what do you recommend and where can I purchase it from? My fellow Eagle Riders are anxiously awaiting my feedback. Many of them are using Redline Heavy Shock now in the tranny and either Amsoil or Mobil 1 V-twin in the motors. The biggest issues with these motors is heat and noisy trannys.

Thanks for writing in. Bel-Ray V-Twin Synthetic Motor Oil 10W-50 full synthetic engine oil is the very best we have. (This is also packaged as Bel-Ray EXS Synthetic Superbike Motor Oil 10W-50). We recommend two different Gear Saver products for your Road Glide. First for the transmission, we recommend Bel-Ray Big Twin Transmission Oil or Bel-Ray Gear Saver Hypoid Gear Oil 85W-140. These two products are the same gear oil in different packages. The Hypoid Gear Oil 85W-140 will provide the lubrication needed for the bearings, shafts and gears while helping to quiet down the gear whine these transmissions make. For the primary we recommend Bel-Ray Primary Chaincase Lubricant or Bel-Ray Gear Saver Transmission Oil 80W. Again these two products are the same gear oil only different packages. The Gear Saver Motorcylce Transmission Oil is formulated for the wet clutch performance and will provide excellent clutch performance and wear reduction.This is a premium petroleum product. To find a local dealer, try the dealer locator on www.parts-unlimited.com or www.powersportsrider.com (Tucker Rocky). Just type in your zip code. We sell to these large distributors who ship to the dealers, so we don’t know what the local guys have on their shelves. If you are comfortable ordering online, search for "Bel-Ray" and you should find many dealers that carry us. Thanks for using Bel-Ray Performance Products."

Whether or not it is your query, as indicated by the highlighted passage in the Sir Tech response, you are 100% correct, Sir. I already knew that, and have no issues running both Gear Saver products in my primaries and transmissions. For me, the stuff works to my complete satisfaction. I've never tried anything else except Amsoil MCV 20W50 in my primaries and transmissions (besides SYN III/stock H-D lubricants when they were new), and I'd never knock anything I haven't tried. I'm certain Redline and applicable Amsoil products are just as good, if not better, than my Bel-Ray choices. Bel-Ray works very well for me, so I see no reason to change.

Have a great Saturday. Looks like a wonderful day to ride in the Tennessee Valley. We're headed to Tim's Ford (Holiday Landing) for lunch at the Blue Gill Grill.

LarryB · « **Reply #25 on:** September 12, 2009, 11:06:54 AM »

you have done your homework too. that's the same response i got from belray too.
much of this is information for all to see and then all can make their decision, based on the info they have

REGGAB · « **Reply #26 on:** September 12, 2009, 09:47:46 PM »

Quote from: LarryB on September 12, 2009, 11:06:54 AM

you have done your homework too. that's the same response i got from belray too.
much of this is information for all to see and then all can make their decision, based on the info they have

Yes Sir. Exactly. That's the main purpose of CVO Harley.

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