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Neutral Switch Hard to Hit
« on: September 15, 2009, 05:18:13 PM »
I have noticed in the last 3000 miles that my neutral Switch is not as easy as it used to be when I was downshifting from 2nd gear. It is easier to come back up from 1st gear into neutral but why is it getting harder to hit neutral from second?????
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Re: Neutral Switch Hard to Hit
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2009, 05:20:06 PM »
This info may help you get an answer:  How many total miles on the bke and what fluid do you have in the tranny? 
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Re: Neutral Switch Hard to Hit
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2009, 05:37:59 PM »
I have 36,000+ miles and I have only used Formula Plus in the Tranny.
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Re: Neutral Switch Hard to Hit
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2009, 07:48:40 PM »
well there you go, switch to redline shockproof or heavyshock, like butta
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Re: Neutral Switch Hard to Hit
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2009, 09:28:38 PM »
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Re: Neutral Switch Hard to Hit
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2009, 10:02:10 PM »
Well I think I'm about sold on the Redline so you guys just took me over the line so I guess I'm going to need to order some Redline!! :2vrolijk_21:
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Re: Neutral Switch Hard to Hit
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2009, 10:36:07 PM »



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Re: Neutral Switch Hard to Hit
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2009, 08:02:33 PM »
Only my opinion, but I would stick to the formula+. First off I really like the Redline products. With that said, when Harley did the redesign starting in 07', the seals aren't quite the same. I've seen a lot of weeping from the seals when people have changed to the thicker oils. Not to say all the newer bikes will have an issue, but you might.
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Re: Neutral Switch Hard to Hit
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2009, 10:19:02 AM »
I had that thought also and was wondering if I did switch over at 37,000 miles would I start developing leaks.
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Re: Neutral Switch Hard to Hit
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2009, 12:33:25 PM »
I have read alot of post here about deffierent seals weeping, and it would be interesting to see how many of those were running "upgraded" oil in the trans/primarys vs factory oil? 
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Re: Neutral Switch Hard to Hit
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2009, 03:38:32 PM »
Quote from: bf2002flht on September 22, 2009, 08:02:33 PM
Only my opinion, but I would stick to the formula+. First off I really like the Redline products. With that said, when Harley did the redesign starting in 07', the seals aren't quite the same. I've seen a lot of weeping from the seals when people have changed to the thicker oils. Not to say all the newer bikes will have an issue, but you might.
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Quote from: bf2002flht on September 23, 2009, 12:33:25 PM
I have read alot of post here about deffierent seals weeping, and it would be interesting to see how many of those were running "upgraded" oil in the trans/primarys vs factory oil?  


I think you will find that most of us aren't running a "heavier" oil, as in a higher viscosity.  For instance, Redline Shockproof Heavy is rated at 75w90 on the gear oil scale.  90 on the gear oil scale is roughly equivalent to a 50 weight motor oil.  The information I have on Formula+, listed below, tells me that Formula+ is also rated at 90 on the gear oil scale.
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Harley Davidson Formula+
Application: recommended for heavy-duty service in manual transmissions where the manufacturer normally recommends either engine oils or GL-1 lubricants.
Specific Gravity: 0.857
Pounds per Gallon: 7.14
Viscosity, ASTM D 445,
cSt at 40°C: 168.04
cSt at 100°C: 20.10
Viscosity Index, ASTM D 2270: 139
Brookfield Viscosity, ASTM D 2983,
cP at -26°C - 28,800
cP at -40°C - n/m
Pour Point, ASTM D 97, °F (°C): -60 (-51)
Flash Point, ASTM D 92, °F (°C): 507 (264)
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If you take the 100°C viscosity of 20.10 centistokes and go across the attached chart, you will see that it correlates with a 50 weight motor oil or a 90 weight gear oil.


Using too heavy a lubricant can be detrimental to the transmission if it doesn't flow to the bearings properly at low temps.  I don't think anyone using a 75wXX rated gear oil needs to worry about that.  As for the seal leakage, that is much more likely to be caused by the cheap seals H-D uses, and the design issues they created through penny pinching.

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Re: Neutral Switch Hard to Hit
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2009, 04:34:55 PM »
Jerry Very good imformation that you posted. Thanks for taking the time to lay it out. I will be switching next P & T drain.
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Re: Neutral Switch Hard to Hit
« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2009, 01:05:23 PM »
I've used RLSP in Cybil from day 1. NEVER had a problem hitting neutral. But the POS HD clutch didn't hold up, and I replaced it with a Rivera Pro Clutch made for these late model hydraulic clutches. Now I can't get neutral to save my life. RLSP still in the trans. Any ideas? :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss:

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Re: Neutral Switch Hard to Hit
« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2009, 01:08:16 PM »
hard shift with no clutch a few times.....that'll teach it.... ;) :P ::)
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Re: Neutral Switch Hard to Hit
« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2009, 02:31:44 PM »
Quote from: Hoist! on September 29, 2009, 01:05:23 PM
I've used RLSP in Cybil from day 1. NEVER had a problem hitting neutral. But the POS HD clutch didn't hold up, and I replaced it with a Rivera Pro Clutch made for these late model hydraulic clutches. Now I can't get neutral to save my life. RLSP still in the trans. Any ideas? :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss:

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Balance a stoppie as you slow down.  If the real wheel ain't down you don't need neutral 8) .
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