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CVO Technical => Milwaukee-Eight => Topic started by: Hound Dawg on November 09, 2018, 10:14:35 AM
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Yesterday I took delivery of my 2019 CVO Limited in Magnetic Grey Fade. I love this bike. Rode it home in the dark cold and it's strong and comfortable and the heated seat and grips worked perfectly. I also added the stage two amp and speakers (which I can't believe it wasn't on there already). I had a 2018 Street Glide Special with the 107 M8 motor, just for the summer, as I was waiting for this beast.
With all that said......I can't believe how much more engine noise this 117 puts out versus that VERY quiet 107. When I first rode that 107, after coming off a 2012 CVO Ultra with the Twin Cam 110, I found that 107 to be so quiet. So, naturally, I expected this 117 to be as quiet...NOPE.
Don't get me wrong....it's still quieter than the 110 (sounded like there was a can of bolts flying around in the motor), but not nearly as quiet as the 107.
Anyone else notice this? My mechanic even noticed it. It was the first 117 he had set up. It runs great, and I'm not going to do anything about it, but I was just making the observation. I was really impressed with the lack of engine noise coming from that 107. I wonder if has something to do with the bigger cam in this 117?
Thoughts?
Thanx in advance,
HD
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I traded a ‘16 CVO Strt Glide on my 2019 and I too was surprised at how much valvetrain noise the bike has. With all of the hype surrounding the M8 engine I was expecting the engine to be super quiet... Not the case. Your idea about the camshaft may be correct? I do plan to listen to another 117 to make sure that mine is not unusually loud when I have it on for 1k service.
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I also bought a 2019 Magnetic Gray Fade Ultra and have noticed a lot of valve train nose, I have not changed the exhaust and I did on my 2016 110 Ultra so with the quieter exhaust maybe that’s why I am noticing the loud valve train noise.
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I upgraded my '18 RGU 107" to the stage 3 114". Definitely more valve train noise, and has noticeably more vibration, too.
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The added vibration your feeling is the added HP/TQ. Your making a lot more power equals more vibration. Most likely at half throttle your making as much power as a stock motor at full throttle.
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It even vibrates more at idle. :oops:
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The thing that concerns me is that (Correct me if I am off base!) Noise = lash. If components of the valve-train are rattling around then things are bumping into eachother. I would think that this could mean premature wear or lifter failures (ala Twin Cam 110!)
The M8 was, from what I hear, extremely quiet when it debuted in 2017 due to the reduction in valve-train components. Now just a few years into production - we have noise... Not looking forward to mechanical problems in the future on my $43,000.00 toy!
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I do plan to listen to another 117 to make sure that mine is not unusually loud when I have it on for 1k service.
Have you been able to do this yet? I have one due on today. I’m trading my 2017 SG in with the 114 in it. I sure don’t want to go down this AND the possible sumping issue road....
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Have you been able to do this yet? I have one due on today. I’m trading my 2017 SG in with the 114 in it. I sure don’t want to go down this AND the possible sumping issue road....
No Unfortunately the bike is covered up for the Ohio Winter. Planning to haul it down to Ft Myers Beach for Christmas and then to Daytona in March but there probably wont be much riding it for a while. I am still 500 miles from my 1K service.
Maybe it will quiet down a little after some more miles and after the break in oil is removed and some fresh Syn 3 is in the crankcase! :nixweiss:
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No Unfortunately the bike is covered up for the Ohio Winter. Planning to haul it down to Ft Myers Beach for Christmas and then to Daytona in March but there probably wont be much riding it for a while. I am still 500 miles from my 1K service.
Maybe it will quiet down a little after some more miles and after the break in oil is removed and some fresh Syn 3 is in the crankcase! :nixweiss:
Ok. Thank you for the reply. PM me when you’re in the Daytona area if you want to meet up and ride. :drink:
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WE may be in Daytona for Bike week too.....and I'm hoping the motor quiets a bit once it's broken in. As my original post says.....that 2018 107" was super quiet.....so I assumed this one would be. Not really even close.
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I can assure you that it will not get quieter with more miles. Wishful thinking!
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Picked my Mako up today. Rode it 100 miles home. Did the 50 mph for the first 50 miles. I did notice more ticking at idle and lower speeds but once up to speed it seemed fine. :nixweiss:
All of my concerns faded away once I started the ride home. This is a sweet ride. :drink:
The badge in the seat is non forgiving. If not for that, the seat would be fine for now IMO.
I did have Reinhart slip ons added before I left but that was it. Nice deep tone/rumble. Shifting and finding neutral was the best by far of any bike I have owned.
As Dave told me there is a noticeable difference with the 117 compared to the 114.
Radio is super nice! Very responsive and way easier to maneuver.
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The cam un the 19 cvos is bigger than the 2018s. More lift and duration equals more noise.
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Congrats on the bike! Post some Pics!
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Picked my Mako up today. Rode it 100 miles home. Did the 50 mph for the first 50 miles. I did notice more ticking at idle and lower speeds but once up to speed it seemed fine. :nixweiss:
All of my concerns faded away once I started the ride home. This is a sweet ride. :drink:
The badge in the seat is non forgiving. If not for that, the seat would be fine for now IMO.
I did have Reinhart slip ons added before I left but that was it. Nice deep tone/rumble. Shifting and finding neutral was the best by far of any bike I have owned.
As Dave told me there is a noticeable difference with the 117 compared to the 114.
Radio is super nice! Very responsive and way easier to maneuver.
Post up some Pics Rob! Congrats
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Picked my Mako up today. Rode it 100 miles home. Did the 50 mph for the first 50 miles. I did notice more ticking at idle and lower speeds but once up to speed it seemed fine. :nixweiss:
All of my concerns faded away once I started the ride home. This is a sweet ride. :drink:
The badge in the seat is non forgiving. If not for that, the seat would be fine for now IMO.
I did have Reinhart slip ons added before I left but that was it. Nice deep tone/rumble. Shifting and finding neutral was the best by far of any bike I have owned.
As Dave told me there is a noticeable difference with the 117 compared to the 114.
Radio is super nice! Very responsive and way easier to maneuver.
I was very shocked when I got my 18, and noticed more power from the 117 vs the 17 CVO with the 114. I sure could not believe 3 ci would be noticeable. The 117 has a different cam than the 114, and I believe that is what makes the noticeable difference.
The Reinhart slip ons do sound good on the 117 motor.
Congratulations on the new bike.
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Okay. Let me see if I can remember how to do this...
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The other pics say they are too large... :nixweiss:
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NICE! Lookin Good man.
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Okay. Let me see if I can remember how to do this...
Congrats Rob... enjoy!!!
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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Okay. Let me see if I can remember how to do this...
That's nice Rob. Saw one of those in person. Much better looking paint in person that what I'd expected. Hope it give you no problems and does give you huge fun :2vrolijk_21: .
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Ok. Let’s try this again. Harry told me how I can do this....
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Anything specific anyone wants to see?
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Thanks Harry!
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Anything specific anyone wants to see?
Nice!
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Did the stock heat shields fit over the Rienharts?
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Did the stock heat shields fit over the Rienharts?
Yes sir.
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Yes sir.
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Congrats on the new bike. Can you post some more pics of the slip ons please possibly with the bags off?
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Sure.
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The cam un the 19 cvos is bigger than the 2018s. More lift and duration equals more noise.
sorry, that is incorrect. the cam in the 2019 is the same cam that is in the 2018. these models in the attached all use the same cam.
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Sure.
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Thanks man. Much appreciated.
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Yesterday I took delivery of my 2019 CVO Limited in Magnetic Grey Fade. I love this bike. Rode it home in the dark cold and it's strong and comfortable and the heated seat and grips worked perfectly. I also added the stage two amp and speakers (which I can't believe it wasn't on there already). I had a 2018 Street Glide Special with the 107 M8 motor, just for the summer, as I was waiting for this beast.
With all that said......I can't believe how much more engine noise this 117 puts out versus that VERY quiet 107. When I first rode that 107, after coming off a 2012 CVO Ultra with the Twin Cam 110, I found that 107 to be so quiet. So, naturally, I expected this 117 to be as quiet...NOPE.
Don't get me wrong....it's still quieter than the 110 (sounded like there was a can of bolts flying around in the motor), but not nearly as quiet as the 107.
Anyone else notice this? My mechanic even noticed it. It was the first 117 he had set up. It runs great, and I'm not going to do anything about it, but I was just making the observation. I was really impressed with the lack of engine noise coming from that 107. I wonder if has something to do with the bigger cam in this 117?
Thoughts?
Thanx in advance,
HD
I know this post is 10 months old but just thought I would comment.
I had a 2017 non CVO Limited with the 107. Last week, I upgraded to a 2020 CVO Limited. I only have about 150 miles on it, but yes, the 117 does have a unique sound. I noticed in the 1600-2000 rpm range, there is a tinny type sound. Does it in neutral or when reving throttle from idle when pulling away from stop. I thought this sound could be from the 117's open element air cleaner, especially compared to the stock 107 air cleaner housing. Who knows.
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I am curious if the dealer downloaded a new tune when he installed the Rineharts, or was it just bolt on and go?
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I am curious if the dealer downloaded a new tune when he installed the Rineharts, or was it just bolt on and go?
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CVO's come with a Stage I download from the factory I believe. So changing out the slip-ons is easy.
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I know this post is 10 months old but just thought I would comment.
I had a 2017 non CVO Limited with the 107. Last week, I upgraded to a 2020 CVO Limited. I only have about 150 miles on it, but yes, the 117 does have a unique sound. I noticed in the 1600-2000 rpm range, there is a tinny type sound. Does it in neutral or when reving throttle from idle when pulling away from stop. I thought this sound could be from the 117's open element air cleaner, especially compared to the stock 107 air cleaner housing. Who knows.
For the tinny sound: Check all the exhaust heat shields. They can do that if they aren't fully tightened onto the exhaust header and muffler. Also make sure they aren't touching any part of the frame or engine (other than the exhaust). Then check the rear muffler mounts for tightness and that the rubber vibration dampers are OK.
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I am curious if the dealer downloaded a new tune when he installed the Rineharts, or was it just bolt on and go?
Bikes with a stock exhaust header (which still has the catalytic converter) restrict the flow so much that changing to slip-ons doesn't allow much extra flow. In the closed loop portion of the fuel map, the ECM can adjust for the small amount of extra air flow. So a new fuel map (the download) isn't needed for SOs.
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For the tinny sound: Check all the exhaust heat shields. They can do that if they aren't fully tightened onto the exhaust header and muffler. Also make sure they aren't touching any part of the frame or engine (other than the exhaust). Then check the rear muffler mounts for tightness and that the rubber vibration dampers are OK.
Thanks. I did check all the heat shields along with the muffler mounts when I got the bike home from delivery. They are all tight and not touching the frame or engine. I just activated the H-D Connect service which requires the engine to start for activation. The noise wasn't there for the 5 minutes or so till activation took effect. Must only make the sound when it's fully warmed up.
Maybe it's just the way the warmed up engine sounds with the open element air cleaner? I never owned a bike with this type of air cleaner before.
Could be the nature of the beast? :nixweiss: