Post by: FLHTKSE16MAN on August 27, 2020, 07:48:09 PM
Post by: ParadigmGuy on August 27, 2020, 07:56:46 PM
Post by: scotman623 on August 27, 2020, 10:19:00 PM
Post by: mark on August 28, 2020, 12:43:30 AM
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on August 28, 2020, 06:51:27 AM
What’s that going to be like on a 131 with a stock tune and a cat converter...won’t that burn you up? I’d rather see a water cooled OHC engine for the baggers.
It will be no different than the current 131 Kits. They still have cat converter and an EPA compliant tune.
I do think the 2021 CVO will have a bigger than 117 motor. Not sure on size, maybe 122.
Post by: BigLew55 on August 28, 2020, 08:06:21 AM
It will be no different than the current 131 Kits. They still have cat converter and an EPA compliant tune.
I do think the 2021 CVO will have a bigger than 117 motor. Not sure on size, maybe 122.
I would say the 122 would be an easy guess for the 2021 CVO models.
https://www.harley-davidson.com/us/en/shop/screamin-eagle-milwaukee-eight-engine-stage-iii-kit-114ci-or-117ci-to-122ci/p/92500086
Post by: OBB on August 28, 2020, 12:26:53 PM
They definitely have to beef up the oem transmission before they would do that.... 2022 will be new frame and suspension.. First things First. Extra power is always nice, but H-D has other things to worry about first.Speaking from experience there.
You have yours all back together yet?
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Post by: scotman623 on August 28, 2020, 03:17:09 PM
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on August 29, 2020, 07:12:16 AM
Yes indeed my friend... Mine now has a Grudgebox on it...How do you like it? Same ratio as stock correct? It will just take lots more abuse.
Post by: scotman623 on August 29, 2020, 12:04:24 PM
Post by: CVODON on August 30, 2020, 01:53:49 PM
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on August 31, 2020, 06:22:22 AM
As these are all opinions. I say nothing changes except paint. Money is not going to be spent to design and change options or gain certification for larger ci motors which will basically have no return financially. Recertication is expensive. Unless it is already been done, then no major changes, if there are CVO 2021 bikes.
The 131 is EPA approved or Harley would not be able to sell it as both a Kit and a replacement engine. So no real cost to install it into a 2021 CVO, The 131 is approved for all touring models.
Just released the 131 for softtailes this past week.
Paint will be the only change except maybe CVO getting as bigger engine as no design cost in that.
Frame really needs to be updated as its going on 12 years old.....
Post by: ParadigmGuy on August 31, 2020, 03:54:28 PM
The 131 is EPA approved or Harley would not be able to sell it as both a Kit and a replacement engine. So no real cost to install it into a 2021 CVO, The 131 is approved for all touring models.I don't think that it's available in California yet.
Just released the 131 for softtailes this past week.
Paint will be the only change except maybe CVO getting as bigger engine as no design cost in that.
Frame really needs to be updated as its going on 12 years old.....
Post by: CVOMOE!! on August 31, 2020, 09:54:37 PM
Post by: SHRADER on September 08, 2020, 08:07:58 PM
Another dealer I know told me that HD reps are going around to the dealers and giving them some type of rundown on 2021 and were making them sign confidentiality agreements beforehand. He and his family have owned this dealership since the eighties and have never had to sign an confidentiality agreement beyond any language in the dealer agreement.
Post by: mark on September 09, 2020, 09:51:00 AM
I don't know what is coming but it must be significant. One dealer around here has only 9 new bikes between two stores and has reduced the price of a red and white road glide special, the one with the number one in the paint, which is normally 29000 plus, to just over 25000. They sold a blue CVO limited which is normally 44000 for 36000.Id say those reduced prices are just a sign of the times & the current market and not related to any dynamic ‘21 release. As others have observed (at high volume dealerships), inventory is running out due to less production, re: Covid-19. The last I heard, the ‘21s will be out in January...I hope the delayed release is worth the wait (new frame, suspension, Infotainment/GPS, etc.). Would love to see a water-cooled OHC tourer, but I don’t think 21 will be the year.
Another dealer I know told me that HD reps are going around to the dealers and giving them some type of rundown on 2021 and were making them sign confidentiality agreements beforehand. He and his family have owned this dealership since the eighties and have never had to sign an confidentiality agreement beyond any language in the dealer agreement.
Post by: spook120 on September 09, 2020, 11:22:46 AM
Post by: scotman623 on September 09, 2020, 01:44:26 PM
Post by: Pan1 on September 20, 2020, 11:50:52 PM
Post by: FLHTKSE16MAN on October 21, 2020, 09:17:35 AM
Post by: ultrarider123 on October 21, 2020, 10:46:27 AM
K'ville (Bootlegger actually) does have a few 2020 CVO's but, as far as the sticker goes, no discount implied...still MSRP.
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on October 22, 2020, 06:29:49 AM
Post by: Mr. Warlock on October 23, 2020, 06:15:45 AM
From what I am seeing, dealerships are aggressively seeking out used bikes, auctions and private deals, to enhance their sales and for some I think it seems to be a good income aid.
Time will tell but I think the insane pricing that HD has got to and the ultra crappy dealers that have emerged have finally hit a nerve with many loyalists. Again, my opinion.
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on October 23, 2020, 06:42:30 AM
I think many are forgetting that HD decided to "cut back" bike quantities delivered to dealership at the beginning of the year and well before Covid. So, the inventory a dealership received was already way down. Considering "that", any dealership that still has inventory, imo, is in pretty sad shape.Not always true. Yes, if that is inventory from the MoCo.
From what I am seeing, dealerships are aggressively seeking out used bikes, auctions and private deals, to enhance their sales and for some I think it seems to be a good income aid.
Time will tell but I think the insane pricing that HD has got to and the ultra crappy dealers that have emerged have finally hit a nerve with many loyalists. Again, my opinion.
Some Dealers are getting inventory from other dealers, or other means. SMHD floor has about 1/3 the new bikes they normally have. I do not know how, but they keep getting new inventory to sell. Seems they can not get enough new bikes to meet their needs.
Post by: BigLew55 on October 23, 2020, 08:11:28 AM