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[HarleyJeffOregon]

Well here we go again. Lifters went bad last march on my 2010. 70,000 miles on the clock. Now At 97,000 miles they went bad again. this time when I take the dipstick out into the sun it looks like a metallic paint job. last time I caught it very early and there was not any metal in the oil. I have esp still. having it looked at in the morning. any advise for me if the dealer tries just to replace the lifters again. I think it should be a replacement motor this time.

[HD Street Performance]

Plus the oil cooler and oil pan.
You answered your own question properly.

[grc]

If the oil in the pan is full of metal particles, the entire engine is full of metal particles.  IMHO it would be cheaper for the ESP company to just buy a long block versus completely tear down, clean, inspect, and replace all the damaged parts.  If they tell you they only plan to flush the pan and replace the lifters, you need to immediately go over the local rep's head to the folks in the home office with the authority to do the right thing.  If they continue to resist doing the right thing, you need to protect yourself legally.  In other words, hope for the best but be prepared for the worst.

Jerry

[HD Street Performance]

Very true, 100% right on the money.

[FlaHeatWave]

Pull the crank position sensor, it will tell the whole story...

[Ridgerunr]

When you get the motor straightened out, put in some lifters with a record of lasting. But even S&S considers them a maintenance item.

[Kingspoke]

Wow, thankfully you have an extending warranty.    Hopefully they'll replace the motor!

[HarleyJeffOregon]

Got the bike in Saturday morning, I was with the tec when he pulled the nosecone. lots of large pieces in the bottom. the rear roller on the intake side went bad and ate the lobe off of the cam. Anything over $1000 Harley has to come and approve. The dealer said they will look and price both ways and then decide weather to rebuild or replace. They said the bonus to a complete rebuild would be getting to make a 117 pro out of it for only about $1000 out of my pocket. could also put a Darkhorse crank and have it balanced. Will know more on Tues when Harley looks at it. Thanks for your advice on the pan and the cooler. I will ask about those. Another good friend also told me about that. The cooler I was going to try to get replaced. But I didn't think about the pan. I just want it done right.

[HarleyJeffOregon]

Wow, thankfully you have an extending warranty.    Hopefully they'll replace the motor!

Yes I am very Happy to Have It!!!!

[bakon]

SE lifters?

[HarleyJeffOregon]

The 117 kit comes with the new heavy duty SE lifters. The dealer says they are as good as any of the lifter's out there. They said to be safe they should be changed every 20,000 miles to be safe. They have seen failures of all brands. Changing then is a cheap insurance policy I guess. I got 70,000 out of my original set and only 27,000 out of the new set. I was told that it was very unusual to see the intake side go away. Like maybe the last set was set  too tight to begin with.

[HD Street Performance]

Those lifters from SE fail too. All of them are a maintenance item especially on the 110s

[Dan_Lockwood]

Those lifters from SE fail too. All of them are a maintenance item especially on the 110s

Too much valve spring?

[HD Street Performance]

It's easy to knee jerk to that conclusion but with even stock cams with steep ramps and valves plus spring packages that are heavy, add in pole vault pushrods and you have very tough duty for the lifters. The spring pressure can go down a little but not a lot and still the lifters are pushed.

[FLSTFI Dave]

Those lifters from SE fail too. All of them are a maintenance item especially on the 110s

How about the Woods directional Lifters?  Thats whats in my King now.  When I do the build next month, I will be putting the new Woods Alpha lifters in it.